One More Try 150gr E-Tip 30-06 - Best powders

[bullet]

I know I was here before with you guys and I failed to produce an accurate load out of my 06 and it is the only bullet I have not been able to get right.

Please help me here because I would like to use the ballistic advantage of the BC and SD of this bullet to really reach out with my 06 and still have a bullet that will open up and break bone.

I need your favorite loads please: Powder you like best, brass you get the best results from and primers you use and also OAL. I really would like to get this right. I will hunt this week some with my usual load but next week when my 257Wby gets here and I go to the range I want to take my 06 and some more loads to try with the E-Tip ONE MORE TIME!!!! As good as this bullet looks it ought to just jump in the brass and fly out my 06 making exaggerated holes. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I MEAN LOOK AT THIS BEAUTIFUL THING - IT SHOULD REALLY FLY STRAIGHT

 

[1Shot]

I have never tried the E-tip bullet but with 150 ballistic tips and most any other 150 gr bullet I have had the best accuracy with 51.2 grs to 52 grs IMR 4064, Remington case, CCI-BR2 primer.

 

[FOTIS]

H4895 H4350 Varget worked the best for me.

 

[Richracer1]

As good as this bullet looks it ought to just jump in the brass and fly out my 06 making exaggerated holes. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's quite possible that your rifle just plain doesn't like the 150ET. As for loads, all I can give is what I got to work for my '06 and 180ETs.

Brass: Winchester trimmed to 2.84"
Primer: GM210M
Powder/charge: H4350/53.5gns
COL: (base to tip) 3.39"

Good luck Bullet.

 

[bullet]

As good as this bullet looks it ought to just jump in the brass and fly out my 06 making exaggerated holes. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

It's quite possible that your rifle just plain doesn't like the 150ET. As for loads, all I can give is what I got to work for my '06 and 180ETs.

Brass: Winchester trimmed to 2.84"
Primer: GM210M
Powder/charge: H4350/53.5gns
COL: (base to tip) 3.39"

Good luck Bullet.

Yeah, you might be right, but I sure hope it will shoot. Going to give it one more try. Switching to Nosler Custom brass this time instead of Winchester and see if that makes a difference but want to wait and see what some of the guys say before I make up my mind.

 

[YoteSmoker]

I doubt expensive brass will make much difference if your gun doesn't like that bullet...but if you want Nosler brass then go for it! IMR 4350 and RL 22 work with 180s accubonds in two different rifles I have experimented with. H4831 is real close to RL22. I'd say if your gun doesnt shoot the e-tip well with either of these 3 powders, it just won't shoot the e-tip. Not sure about the Nosler but I know Barnes recommends seating them .030-.070 off the lands and to start at .050 because of the hardness/pressure of the copper. Might give that a try? I wouldn't shoot more than a box of bullets myself before I moved on to one it likes.

I had an 06 once (browning a-bolt) that would absolutely not shoot the 165 ballistic tip or AccuBond, but shot the 165 Partition extremely well, so that's what I went elk hunting with.

My dad's 270 would not shoot the 130 ballistic tip but loved 130 corelockts and partitions.

Feed it what it's hungry for.

 

[JD338]

bullet,

Back in the day when shot a lot of 30-06, my go to powder was IMR 4350.
I think the E-Tip will shoot its best at .100" off the lands, regardless of powder. :wink:

JD338

 

[bullet]

bullet,

Back in the day when shot a lot of 30-06, my go to powder was IMR 4350.
I think the E-Tip will shoot its best at .100" off the lands, regardless of powder. :wink:

JD338

Yeah JD, that is about where I have the OAL at the moment. Trying IMR4350, H4831sc, H4350 and 748, Nosler brass, Fed 210 primers. I have bullets weighed and all are the same weight, once fired brass neck sized and squared off and they are all the same length. After this testing I will stop using them if they do not shoot well. The Sierra 165gr GK HPBT is the most accurate at the moment with the 168gr TSX a close second and Ballistic tip is third with AccuBond fourth. The only one I will try next is the Partition. Will see what happens next week. It will be cooler, not much wind at all and I will have time so I don't rush the time at the range.

 

[Guest]

I'm going to reiterate JD's advice about seating depth. You're familiar with my experience, and know it to be similar to JD's. I was shooting a Weatherby round, with factory freebore, so the .100" figure is not relevant to my situation except to say that I shortened up COL dramatically and found it to be the best thing I did. I actually shot some a full .125" (that's 1/8th", btw) shorter and it really surprised me how they got better with more jump.

I will also add that the E-Tips shot better over slower powders, as well, in my rifle. I tried them over H4831, and they were not spectacular in velocity nor accuracy. I shot them over AAMagPro, with no notable results. Moving over to IMR7828ssc, I got great results (of course, I modified the COL, too, but the other powders were minute-of-barn-door at best). I'd say look at the slowest powders normally associated with the 150gr in a 30-06, and go for that end of the burn rate chart.

Good luck.

 

[bullet]

I'm going to reiterate JD's advice about seating depth. You're familiar with my experience, and know it to be similar to JD's. I was shooting a Weatherby round, with factory freebore, so the .100" figure is not relevant to my situation except to say that I shortened up COL dramatically and found it to be the best thing I did. I actually shot some a full .125" (that's 1/8th", btw) shorter and it really surprised me how they got better with more jump.

I will also add that the E-Tips shot better over slower powders, as well, in my rifle. I tried them over H4831, and they were not spectacular in velocity nor accuracy. I shot them over AAMagPro, with no notable results. Moving over to IMR7828ssc, I got great results (of course, I modified the COL, too, but the other powders were minute-of-barn-door at best). I'd say look at the slowest powders normally associated with the 150gr in a 30-06, and go for that end of the burn rate chart.

Good luck.

Interesting that you say the slower powders, because Waters on the 30-06 used IMR4831 and H4831 getting good accuracy with a 150gr bullet. Now his load was slower by about 75-100fps but it was still over 2800fps. Of course my 30-06 does not have free bore and I really gave the E-Tips a good jump the last time I used them, so this time I am going to be closer to the rifling. I believe there just might be a balance I can find between the burn rate of the slower powder and the OAL and get lucky finding a good load. I know one thing for sure, this round of shooting will be the verdict.

 

[FOTIS]

Love your bullet picture Bullet!

 

[bullet]

Love your bullet picture Bullet!

Thanks POP, that is a true Nosler picture since the bullet is the E-Tip and the brass is Nosler Custom 30-06 brass.

 

[bullet]

Finally found a hunting load for the 150gr E-Tip in my 30-06 that has acceptable accuracy while at the same time acceptable velocity. I felt real good about he first and third shot but also felt I moved some when I touched off the second round so I do expect more out of this load.

150gr E-Tip, Nosler Custom brass, Fed 210 primers, OAL 3.250" group size was .696" using W748 moving at 2895fps on average.

 

[JD338]

bullet, Nice shooting? How far off the lands?
You might want to go +/- .005" and tighten up that nice group.

JD338

 

[bullet]

bullet, Nice shooting? How far off the lands?
You might want to go +/- .005" and tighten up that nice group.

JD338

Yes, it did cross my mind and +.005 is a good idea, I will try it.

 

[kraky]

Bullet...would you mind sharing your load and barrel length so I can do a bit of comparing on quick load. I'm studying some of my data and it looks like 748 is coming in milder than quick load is predicting.
I've been using 748 in my 308 and am now thinking of a work up using it under the 130 tsx in my '06. There is ALOT of conflicting pulblished data on 748 out there!! IE barnes is saying 60.5 748 is a max load under the 130 tsx and that would seem pretty hot compared to most any data out there. Your data would just give me another "thermometer" to use in my comparisons.

 

[bullet]

Bullet...would you mind sharing your load and barrel length so I can do a bit of comparing on quick load. I'm studying some of my data and it looks like 748 is coming in milder than quick load is predicting.
I've been using 748 in my 308 and am now thinking of a work up using it under the 130 tsx in my '06. There is ALOT of conflicting pulblished data on 748 out there!! IE barnes is saying 60.5 748 is a max load under the 130 tsx and that would seem pretty hot compared to most any data out there. Your data would just give me another "thermometer" to use in my comparisons.

I am using 51grs W748 with the 150gr E-Tip

 

[bullet]

bullet, Nice shooting? How far off the lands?
You might want to go +/- .005" and tighten up that nice group.

JD338

Yes, it did cross my mind and +.005 is a good idea, I will try it.

Well tried the +.005 and the group really opened up. Will try -.005 and see what happens.

 

[kraky]

Well, quickload is "spot on" in agreement with your results. It doesn't have the e tip in it's bullet library so I used the older barnes xbt for a longer bullet into the case.
I got to thinking that maybe I was doing a big jump up by trying 59 grains under the 130 tsx but qc is thinking in 30 degree weather I'll be doing a little over 3200 fps at about 62k pressure. Plus I think my lot of 748 is mild based on my 308 results. Loaded 4 test rounds and will watch closely for pressure. Lyman manual also backs the 59 grain as a max under the 130 so I feel I'm good to go.

 

[bullet]

Well, quickload is "spot on" in agreement with your results. It doesn't have the e tip in it's bullet library so I used the older barnes xbt for a longer bullet into the case.
I got to thinking that maybe I was doing a big jump up by trying 59 grains under the 130 tsx but qc is thinking in 30 degree weather I'll be doing a little over 3200 fps at about 62k pressure. Plus I think my lot of 748 is mild based on my 308 results. Loaded 4 test rounds and will watch closely for pressure. Lyman manual also backs the 59 grain as a max under the 130 so I feel I'm good to go.

It sounds as if you are in the ball park on your thinking. I am going to move away from 748 with the 150gr E-Tip because groups are not consistent with the powder after trying it again today. I have got to find a good 06 load using the E-Tip.