QL question 338 federal 210 partition IMR 8208

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Sep 17, 2016
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Anyone able to run quick load for 338 federal using 210 partitions and IMR 8208 powder.

Thanks Chuck
 
Welcome aboard, Chuck.

Code: 
Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 48.541 grain H2O = 3.152 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 8208 XBR

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   81    36.24   2047    1954   31574   5634     92.0    1.472
-18.0   83    37.15   2095    2046   33606   5796     93.0    1.432
-16.0   85    38.05   2142    2139   35752   5953     93.9    1.394
-14.0   87    38.96   2189    2235   38035   6104     94.8    1.356
-12.0   89    39.86   2236    2332   40462   6249     95.6    1.318
-10.0   91    40.77   2283    2431   43043   6387     96.3    1.281
-08.0   93    41.68   2330    2532   45789   6519     97.0    1.246
-06.0   95    42.58   2377    2634   48712   6643     97.6    1.212
-04.0   97    43.49   2423    2738   51825   6759     98.1    1.180  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   99    44.39   2469    2844   55143   6866     98.6    1.148  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    45.30   2516    2951   58682   6965     99.0    1.118  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  103    46.21   2561    3059   62459   7055     99.4    1.089  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  105    47.11   2607    3169   66495   7135     99.6    1.061  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  107    48.02   2652    3281   70812   7205     99.8    1.033  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  109    48.92   2698    3393   75435   7264     99.9    1.007  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  111    49.83   2743    3507   80392   7313    100.0    0.981  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    45.30   2612    3181   69288   6732    100.0    1.047  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    45.30   2381    2643   48401   6886     94.3    1.212
 
Thanks to you both for the info. This is the last on my initial load development, but just couldn't find data on it. I'm only going to run speed tests to start. I see no sense anymore in wasting time & $$ on accuracy tests, only to find that it's a moped later. 8208 and RL-15 are on the 'have-on-hand list, if not up to snuff ...LVR next, at least for the 210 PT.

Please keep us up to date on how it works, I will as soon as I can.
 
What would be the best powder in the 338 federal and the 200gr Speer; my Ruger 77 Hawkeye doesn't shoot it and MR2000 very well. Any QL help out there? :)
 
Best? The 338 Federal doesn't appear to be particularly fussy. Any of a number of powders should give you good results. Some I would consider include TAC, RL15, IMR4198, BL(C)2 and A2230.
 
I'm using 8208,2230,LVL and TAC. IMR 8208 is my go to powder for 160-210 gr bullets, AA2230 gets better velocity in the 160-180 range and LVL is best velocity over 210gr. With the 210 Partition I can safely get 2575fps with 8208 and 2625fps with LVL and I don't think any animal is going to notice 75fps.

Shooting 8208 with the 180gn AB I'm getting just under 2800fps
Shooting AA2230 and 160gn TTSX I'm getting just over 3000fps

Now if I can just pick a bullet for whitetail I like them all.
 
I can tell you as fact, from personal experience, that a 200gr .338 @ 2550fps will spin a 7'3" black bear 270 degrees sideways, in mid air, at 30 yds.

I've got 210's loaded and boxed.....now can some help me find a range that's not 2hrs from the house ?
 
DrMike said:
Welcome aboard, Chuck.

Code: 
Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 210, Nosler PART SP 16337
Useable Case Capaci: 48.541 grain H2O = 3.152 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : IMR 8208 XBR

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-20.0   81    36.24   2047    1954   31574   5634     92.0    1.472
-18.0   83    37.15   2095    2046   33606   5796     93.0    1.432
-16.0   85    38.05   2142    2139   35752   5953     93.9    1.394
-14.0   87    38.96   2189    2235   38035   6104     94.8    1.356
-12.0   89    39.86   2236    2332   40462   6249     95.6    1.318
-10.0   91    40.77   2283    2431   43043   6387     96.3    1.281
-08.0   93    41.68   2330    2532   45789   6519     97.0    1.246
-06.0   95    42.58   2377    2634   48712   6643     97.6    1.212
-04.0   97    43.49   2423    2738   51825   6759     98.1    1.180  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   99    44.39   2469    2844   55143   6866     98.6    1.148  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    45.30   2516    2951   58682   6965     99.0    1.118  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  103    46.21   2561    3059   62459   7055     99.4    1.089  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  105    47.11   2607    3169   66495   7135     99.6    1.061  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0  107    48.02   2652    3281   70812   7205     99.8    1.033  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0  109    48.92   2698    3393   75435   7264     99.9    1.007  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0  111    49.83   2743    3507   80392   7313    100.0    0.981  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    45.30   2612    3181   69288   6732    100.0    1.047  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    45.30   2381    2643   48401   6886     94.3    1.212
Click to expand...
Could you run data on 338 federal with 200gr AB and 185gr ttsx, showing which powders are best to reach full potential? Thank you I have a Ruger m77 I have not shot or even mounted a scope on yet but want to begin working with it soon. Thanks.
 
I have untried data as yet, showing the following with the 220 gr Speer Hot Cor for my 338 Federal:
  • CFE223: 53.0 gr for approx. 2710 fps
  • Power Pro Varmint: 49.6 gr for approx. 2708 fps
  • XBR8208: 47.0 gr (sorry, no velocity projection)
I am not exactly sure what the difference is between the Hot Cor and the Uni-Cor that Speer made for Federal to load in their ammunition, but the 200 gr Uni-Cor ammo produces 2687 fps (spec's for 2700 fps) out of my 22" barreled bolt Action, resulting in 0.447" groups at 200 yards (as tested by my gunsmith when the put my rifle together). It retains 1931 fps and 1655 ft lbs of energy at 400 yards, dropping 25.3" from a 200 yard zero. That is still good enough for moose (and deer or bear). I wouldn't hesitate to use it on elk at 300 yards, where it retains 2107 fps and 1971 ft lbs of energy, and drops 8.7" from the 200 yard zero. To date I have taken a bull moose, a bull caribou, and a stones ram with this ammo, from 25 to 150 yards. All quick, clean one-shot kills, where no animal went more than 15 yards from point of taking the shot.

For the 200 gr AccuBond, I have the following max data from QL for my 22" barrel, to test (this is the bullet I hope to find a great load with for my bolt action):
  • BL-C2: 49.5 gr for approx. 2675 fps
  • CFE223: 51.7 gr for approx. 2675 fps
  • Win 748: 47.6 gr for approx. 2672 fps
  • Big Game: 50.6 gr for approx. 2667 fps
  • Re-15: 47.9 gr for approx. 2663 fps
  • Power Pro Varmint: 49.1 gr for approx. 2650 fps
  • XBR8208: 45.4 gr for approx. 2615 fps
The only load data I have seen anywhere, and recorded, for the 185 gr TTSX was:
  • A-2230: 49.0 gr for approx. 2798 fps
Hope this helps!
 
I should have also stated that the data was for 65K psi in pressure for my Sako Model 85.
If someone's rifle is an older military action, they may want to back off these max loads a bit for less pressure in a non-modern action.
With your rifle being a modern action, you should be fine, but as with any rifle, work up slowly to these max loads, watching for pressure signs.
 
Code: 
Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 185, Barnes 'TTSX' BT 30426
Useable Case Capaci: 45.444 grain H2O = 2.951 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60191 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2520                      108.6     48.0     3.11    2700    99.0    60191    6881   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      110.0     45.1     2.92    2682   100.0    57349    6680   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle         110.0     47.5     3.08    2672    98.7    57906    6845   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       110.0     47.5     3.08    2672    98.7    57906    6845   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                      103.0     46.5     3.01    2650    98.4    60191    6621   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                       103.4     46.5     3.01    2650    98.4    60191    6621   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      109.0     43.4     2.81    2647    99.3    60191    6565   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   107.8     48.5     3.14    2632    93.4    60191    6762   1.057  ! Near Maximum !

Code: 
Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 200, Nosler Accubond 56382
Useable Case Capaci: 45.715 grain H2O = 2.968 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60191 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2495                      108.6     44.8     2.90    2610   100.0    60191    6590   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle         108.6     47.1     3.05    2604    99.5    60191    6834   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       108.6     47.1     3.05    2604    99.5    60191    6834   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      106.1     47.1     3.05    2604    99.5    60191    6834   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                      100.8     45.7     2.96    2557    99.1    60191    6593   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                       101.1     45.7     2.96    2557    99.1    60191    6593   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      106.6     42.7     2.77    2551    99.7    60191    6505   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   105.7     47.8     3.10    2548    94.8    60191    6815   1.095  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       110.0     47.4     3.07    2523    94.0    55665    6982   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                         110.0     46.9     3.04    2514    96.9    52111    6999   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      110.0     46.9     3.04    2514    96.9    52111    6999   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
 
DrMike said:
Code: 
Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 185, Barnes 'TTSX' BT 30426
Useable Case Capaci: 45.444 grain H2O = 2.951 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60191 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2520                      108.6     48.0     3.11    2700    99.0    60191    6881   1.047  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      110.0     45.1     2.92    2682   100.0    57349    6680   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle         110.0     47.5     3.08    2672    98.7    57906    6845   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       110.0     47.5     3.08    2672    98.7    57906    6845   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                      103.0     46.5     3.01    2650    98.4    60191    6621   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                       103.4     46.5     3.01    2650    98.4    60191    6621   1.063  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      109.0     43.4     2.81    2647    99.3    60191    6565   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   107.8     48.5     3.14    2632    93.4    60191    6762   1.057  ! Near Maximum !

Code: 
Cartridge          : .338 Federal
Bullet             : .338, 200, Nosler Accubond 56382
Useable Case Capaci: 45.715 grain H2O = 2.968 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.820 inch = 71.63 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60191 psi, or 415 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Accurate 2495                      108.6     44.8     2.90    2610   100.0    60191    6590   1.104  ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle         108.6     47.1     3.05    2604    99.5    60191    6834   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       108.6     47.1     3.05    2604    99.5    60191    6834   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      106.1     47.1     3.05    2604    99.5    60191    6834   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                      100.8     45.7     2.96    2557    99.1    60191    6593   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                       101.1     45.7     2.96    2557    99.1    60191    6593   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      106.6     42.7     2.77    2551    99.7    60191    6505   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   105.7     47.8     3.10    2548    94.8    60191    6815   1.095  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       110.0     47.4     3.07    2523    94.0    55665    6982   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                         110.0     46.9     3.04    2514    96.9    52111    6999   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      110.0     46.9     3.04    2514    96.9    52111    6999   1.150  ! Near Maximum !
Click to expand...
Thanks so much for doing that.
 
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