QL request for 303 Savage

[mjcmichigan]

Powder Leverevolution or IMR 4895 or TAC
Winchester large rifle primer

1:12 twist in a 20" barrel (Savage 99)

Three bullets look interesting:
Nosler 51165 CTBTRN 150gn
Hornady 3027 FTX 135gn
Or 30395 FTX 160gn
Hornady Monoflex 140gn #3033

Looking for effective energy under 150 yards.


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[PJGunner]

Let's keep this simple. Just use 30-30 Winchester data.
BTW, if you do not have dies, I have a set of Redding dies with shell holder. I no longer have any rifles in .303 Savage.
Paul B.

 

[mjcmichigan]

Yes, realizing 3030 and 303 are similar.
I'm wondering with this short barrel, will we be able to get enough velocity for the bullets to open.


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[mjcmichigan]

I was able to get Lee dies in 303 including the factory crimp. Most people I'd tell to retire it, but a small 11 year is hunting using his great grandfathers gun.

Their last remaining 7 shells are 190gn silver tips. I figure the are down to 1500 fps when they hit. They get pencil hole exit wounds.


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[TackDriver284]

I was only able to get most of the data except with Leverevolution or with Hornady 3027 FTX 135gn

Hope that helps.

Cartridge : .303 Savage (301 Sav.)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler CT BalSTip RN 51165
Useable Case Capaci: 34.769 grain H2O = 2.258 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.520 inch = 64.01 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : IMR 4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   90    28.80   1985    1313   26297   5481     79.8    1.389
-09.0   91    29.12   2009    1344   27081   5572     80.4    1.372
-08.0   92    29.44   2032    1375   27893   5663     81.1    1.355
-07.0   93    29.76   2055    1407   28735   5753     81.7    1.338
-06.0   94    30.08   2079    1439   29601   5843     82.4    1.321
-05.0   95    30.40   2103    1472   30496   5932     83.0    1.304
-04.0   96    30.72   2126    1506   31420   6021     83.6    1.288
-03.0   97    31.04   2150    1540   32377   6109     84.2    1.272
-02.0   98    31.36   2174    1574   33366   6197     84.9    1.256  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   99    31.68   2198    1609   34387   6283     85.5    1.240  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    32.00   2222    1644   35444   6369     86.0    1.224  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  101    32.32   2246    1680   36537   6454     86.6    1.209  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  102    32.64   2270    1716   37666   6538     87.2    1.193  ! Near Maximum !
+03.0  103    32.96   2294    1753   38836   6621     87.8    1.176  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  104    33.28   2319    1791   40049   6703     88.3    1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  105    33.60   2343    1829   41304   6783     88.9    1.144  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    32.00   2375    1879   43115   6748     93.6    1.127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    32.00   2042    1389   28888   5731     75.8    1.333

Cartridge : .303 Savage (301 Sav.)
Bullet : .308, 160, Hornady FTX 30395
Useable Case Capaci: 33.443 grain H2O = 2.171 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.520 inch = 64.01 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : IMR 4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   91    27.90   1939    1336   27235   5411     81.6    1.414
-09.0   92    28.21   1962    1368   28058   5499     82.2    1.397
-08.0   93    28.52   1985    1399   28907   5586     82.8    1.379
-07.0   94    28.83   2007    1432   29785   5673     83.5    1.362
-06.0   95    29.14   2030    1465   30692   5759     84.1    1.344
-05.0   96    29.45   2053    1498   31629   5844     84.7    1.327
-04.0   97    29.76   2076    1532   32597   5929     85.3    1.310
-03.0   98    30.07   2099    1566   33599   6012     85.9    1.294  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   99    30.38   2122    1600   34635   6095     86.5    1.277  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  100    30.69   2146    1636   35707   6178     87.1    1.261  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  101    31.00   2169    1671   36812   6259     87.6    1.245  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  102    31.31   2192    1707   37961   6339     88.2    1.228  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  103    31.62   2216    1744   39147   6418     88.7    1.211  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  104    31.93   2239    1781   40376   6496     89.3    1.194  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  105    32.24   2263    1819   41647   6573     89.8    1.178  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  106    32.55   2286    1857   42967   6649     90.3    1.161  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    101    31.00   2314    1902   44859   6579     94.7    1.145  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    101    31.00   1997    1416   29954   5673     77.6    1.357

Cartridge : .303 Savage (301 Sav.)
Bullet : .308, 150, Hornady BTSP 3033
Useable Case Capaci: 35.229 grain H2O = 2.287 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.520 inch = 64.01 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : IMR 4895

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   91    29.70   2040    1385   27948   5737     81.3    1.352
-09.0   92    30.03   2064    1418   28804   5831     82.0    1.335
-08.0   94    30.36   2088    1452   29691   5924     82.7    1.318
-07.0   95    30.69   2112    1485   30607   6016     83.3    1.301
-06.0   96    31.02   2136    1520   31555   6108     83.9    1.285
-05.0   97    31.35   2161    1555   32535   6198     84.6    1.268
-04.0   98    31.68   2185    1590   33543   6288     85.2    1.252  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   99    32.01   2209    1626   34595   6378     85.8    1.236  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  100    32.34   2234    1662   35680   6466     86.4    1.220  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  101    32.67   2259    1699   36803   6554     87.0    1.204  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  102    33.00   2283    1737   37965   6640     87.5    1.188  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  103    33.33   2308    1775   39169   6725     88.1    1.171  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  104    33.66   2333    1813   40415   6809     88.7    1.154  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  105    33.99   2358    1852   41706   6892     89.2    1.138  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  106    34.32   2383    1892   43044   6974     89.8    1.122  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  107    34.65   2408    1932   44434   7054     90.3    1.106  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    102    33.00   2437    1978   46303   6985     94.7    1.092  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    102    33.00   2102    1471   30851   6014     77.5    1.295

Cartridge : .303 Savage (301 Sav.)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler CT BalSTip RN 51165
Useable Case Capaci: 34.769 grain H2O = 2.258 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.520 inch = 64.01 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   86    29.70   1965    1286   28396   5106     76.8    1.369
-09.0   87    30.03   1988    1316   29257   5191     77.4    1.352
-08.0   88    30.36   2010    1346   30145   5275     78.0    1.335
-07.0   89    30.69   2033    1377   31065   5359     78.6    1.317
-06.0   90    31.02   2056    1408   32014   5442     79.2    1.301
-05.0   91    31.35   2079    1439   32995   5525     79.8    1.284
-04.0   92    31.68   2102    1472   34008   5608     80.4    1.268  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   93    32.01   2125    1504   35055   5691     81.0    1.252  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   94    32.34   2148    1537   36139   5773     81.6    1.236  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   95    32.67   2172    1571   37259   5855     82.2    1.220  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   95    33.00   2195    1605   38418   5936     82.8    1.204  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   96    33.33   2218    1639   39619   6017     83.3    1.187  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   97    33.66   2242    1674   40859   6097     83.9    1.170  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   98    33.99   2266    1710   42146   6176     84.5    1.154  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   99    34.32   2289    1746   43475   6255     85.0    1.138  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  100    34.65   2313    1782   44848   6332     85.5    1.123  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     95    33.00   2337    1819   45726   6346     90.3    1.113  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     95    33.00   2032    1375   31620   5348     73.3    1.307

Cartridge : .303 Savage (301 Sav.)
Bullet : .308, 160, Hornady FTX 30395
Useable Case Capaci: 33.443 grain H2O = 2.171 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.520 inch = 64.01 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   84    27.90   1858    1226   27078   4817     76.7    1.445
-09.0   85    28.21   1879    1254   27877   4897     77.3    1.428
-08.0   86    28.52   1900    1283   28700   4976     77.9    1.410
-07.0   87    28.83   1921    1312   29549   5055     78.5    1.392
-06.0   88    29.14   1943    1341   30425   5134     79.1    1.375
-05.0   89    29.45   1964    1371   31330   5213     79.7    1.358
-04.0   90    29.76   1986    1401   32264   5291     80.3    1.341
-03.0   90    30.07   2007    1431   33228   5369     80.9    1.324
-02.0   91    30.38   2029    1462   34223   5447     81.4    1.308  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   92    30.69   2051    1494   35251   5524     82.0    1.291  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   93    31.00   2072    1526   36313   5601     82.6    1.275  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   94    31.31   2094    1558   37411   5678     83.1    1.259  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0   95    31.62   2116    1591   38546   5754     83.7    1.242  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   96    31.93   2138    1624   39717   5829     84.2    1.226  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   97    32.24   2160    1658   40932   5904     84.7    1.209  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0   98    32.55   2182    1692   42183   5978     85.3    1.193  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     93    31.00   2206    1729   43181   5992     90.1    1.181  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     93    31.00   1919    1308   29937   5045     73.1    1.382

Cartridge : .303 Savage (301 Sav.)
Bullet : .308, 150, Hornady BTSP 3033
Useable Case Capaci: 35.229 grain H2O = 2.287 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.520 inch = 64.01 mm
Barrel Length : 20.0 inch = 508.0 mm
Powder : Ramshot TAC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   85    29.70   1954    1272   27772   5107     76.5    1.381
-09.0   86    30.03   1977    1301   28603   5192     77.1    1.364
-08.0   87    30.36   1999    1331   29460   5276     77.7    1.346
-07.0   88    30.69   2022    1361   30347   5360     78.4    1.330
-06.0   89    31.02   2044    1392   31261   5444     79.0    1.313
-05.0   90    31.35   2067    1423   32205   5528     79.6    1.296
-04.0   90    31.68   2090    1455   33165   5612     80.2    1.280
-03.0   91    32.01   2113    1487   34188   5695     80.7    1.264  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   92    32.34   2136    1519   35229   5777     81.3    1.248  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   93    32.67   2159    1552   36306   5860     81.9    1.232  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   94    33.00   2182    1586   37418   5942     82.5    1.216  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   95    33.33   2205    1620   38569   6023     83.1    1.200  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   96    33.66   2228    1654   39759   6103     83.6    1.184  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0   97    33.99   2252    1689   40989   6183     84.2    1.168  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0   98    34.32   2275    1724   42261   6263     84.7    1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0   99    34.65   2299    1760   43572   6342     85.3    1.136  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     94    33.00   2323    1798   44500   6359     90.1    1.126  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     94    33.00   2020    1358   30819   5348     73.0    1.319

 

[mjcmichigan]

Thank you!!!!


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[PJGunner]

Never did chronograph the last one I had with factory ammo. Killed deer quite well out to about 150 yards. It had an 18" barrel. IIRC, I got 1900 FPS shooting the RCBS #30-180-FN cast bullet that weighed 190 gr. in my alloy. It too worked well on deer.
Paul B.

 

[mjcmichigan]

[emoji1], the guy I'm helping, this is his first reload, so he's learning a lot. We're going to disassemble some loads we made based on the old Lyman manual from the 60's. For imr 4831 it said start at 33, go up to 36. QL forecasted the max at 32.8 assuming average powder lot performance.

I think we'll get up running the 160 FTX. Their BC and weigh will hold lethal energy out to 250 yards.

Thank you Paul and TackDriver!


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[PJGunner]

FWIW, I don't think you can get enough of either 4831 in a .303 Sav. case to be a problem. Just way too slow burning for that size case.
Paul B.