QL request - RL 23 in 30-06
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DrMike
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- Nov 8, 2006
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Not enough room.
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 62.451 grain H2O = 4.055 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-23
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 92 52.00 2344 2014 28221 8305 91.9 1.539
-18.0 95 53.30 2409 2126 30271 8575 93.4 1.495
-16.0 97 54.60 2473 2241 32485 8829 94.7 1.452
-14.0 99 55.90 2538 2360 34881 9065 95.9 1.410
-12.0 102 57.20 2603 2483 37474 9283 96.9 1.369
-10.0 104 58.50 2668 2609 40285 9479 97.8 1.323
-08.0 106 59.80 2733 2737 43335 9652 98.6 1.279
-06.0 108 61.10 2798 2869 46654 9802 99.2 1.236
-04.0 111 62.40 2863 3003 50267 9925 99.6 1.195
-02.0 113 63.70 2927 3139 54207 10021 99.9 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 115 65.00 2991 3278 58513 10089 100.0 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 118 66.30 3055 3419 63231 10136 100.0 1.079 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 120 67.60 3118 3561 68411 10178 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 122 68.90 3180 3705 74110 10215 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 125 70.20 3243 3852 80405 10247 100.0 0.975 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 127 71.50 3305 4001 87373 10273 100.0 0.943 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 115 65.00 3126 3580 73013 9609 100.0 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 115 65.00 2786 2844 46515 10194 96.2 1.235
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 62.451 grain H2O = 4.055 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-23
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 92 52.00 2344 2014 28221 8305 91.9 1.539
-18.0 95 53.30 2409 2126 30271 8575 93.4 1.495
-16.0 97 54.60 2473 2241 32485 8829 94.7 1.452
-14.0 99 55.90 2538 2360 34881 9065 95.9 1.410
-12.0 102 57.20 2603 2483 37474 9283 96.9 1.369
-10.0 104 58.50 2668 2609 40285 9479 97.8 1.323
-08.0 106 59.80 2733 2737 43335 9652 98.6 1.279
-06.0 108 61.10 2798 2869 46654 9802 99.2 1.236
-04.0 111 62.40 2863 3003 50267 9925 99.6 1.195
-02.0 113 63.70 2927 3139 54207 10021 99.9 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 115 65.00 2991 3278 58513 10089 100.0 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 118 66.30 3055 3419 63231 10136 100.0 1.079 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 120 67.60 3118 3561 68411 10178 100.0 1.044 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 122 68.90 3180 3705 74110 10215 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 125 70.20 3243 3852 80405 10247 100.0 0.975 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 127 71.50 3305 4001 87373 10273 100.0 0.943 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 115 65.00 3126 3580 73013 9609 100.0 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 115 65.00 2786 2844 46515 10194 96.2 1.235
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DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
- 37,537
- 6,601
You might be ab le to get in 64 grains. It will be a compressed load, however.
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 62.451 grain H2O = 4.055 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-23
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 91 51.20 2305 1947 27035 8133 90.9 1.566
-18.0 93 52.48 2368 2055 28960 8406 92.4 1.522
-16.0 95 53.76 2432 2166 31035 8666 93.8 1.480
-14.0 98 55.04 2495 2281 33275 8911 95.1 1.438
-12.0 100 56.32 2559 2400 35696 9138 96.2 1.397
-10.0 102 57.60 2623 2521 38315 9345 97.2 1.355
-08.0 105 58.88 2687 2646 41150 9532 98.1 1.310
-06.0 107 60.16 2751 2774 44226 9696 98.8 1.267
-04.0 109 61.44 2815 2904 47570 9836 99.3 1.225
-02.0 111 62.72 2879 3036 51204 9951 99.7 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 114 64.00 2942 3171 55166 10039 99.9 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 116 65.28 3005 3308 59492 10100 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 118 66.56 3067 3447 64228 10145 100.0 1.072 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 120 67.84 3129 3587 69422 10185 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 123 69.12 3191 3730 75131 10221 100.0 1.003 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 125 70.40 3252 3875 81430 10251 100.0 0.970 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 114 64.00 3081 3478 68720 9563 100.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 114 64.00 2734 2738 43944 10033 95.3 1.269
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 165, Sierra SPBT 2145 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 62.451 grain H2O = 4.055 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-23
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 91 51.20 2305 1947 27035 8133 90.9 1.566
-18.0 93 52.48 2368 2055 28960 8406 92.4 1.522
-16.0 95 53.76 2432 2166 31035 8666 93.8 1.480
-14.0 98 55.04 2495 2281 33275 8911 95.1 1.438
-12.0 100 56.32 2559 2400 35696 9138 96.2 1.397
-10.0 102 57.60 2623 2521 38315 9345 97.2 1.355
-08.0 105 58.88 2687 2646 41150 9532 98.1 1.310
-06.0 107 60.16 2751 2774 44226 9696 98.8 1.267
-04.0 109 61.44 2815 2904 47570 9836 99.3 1.225
-02.0 111 62.72 2879 3036 51204 9951 99.7 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 114 64.00 2942 3171 55166 10039 99.9 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 116 65.28 3005 3308 59492 10100 100.0 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 118 66.56 3067 3447 64228 10145 100.0 1.072 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 120 67.84 3129 3587 69422 10185 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 123 69.12 3191 3730 75131 10221 100.0 1.003 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 125 70.40 3252 3875 81430 10251 100.0 0.970 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 114 64.00 3081 3478 68720 9563 100.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 114 64.00 2734 2738 43944 10033 95.3 1.269
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Part of the reason I'm looking at some 'non-normal' powders is to save my shoulder. Injury has me changing some loads out.
I'm playing with some Varget loads to see how they work for recoil in the M-70 and thought I'd look at RL 23 since I see folks playing with the RL-22. Though the two aren't really the same.
I'll try and report back on what I find out.
Thanks again, DrMike.
I'm playing with some Varget loads to see how they work for recoil in the M-70 and thought I'd look at RL 23 since I see folks playing with the RL-22. Though the two aren't really the same.
I'll try and report back on what I find out.
Thanks again, DrMike.
Guy Miner
Master Loader
- Apr 6, 2006
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Good grief!
Dr Mike - that 64 grain load you mentioned is serious!
Guy
Dr Mike - that 64 grain load you mentioned is serious!
Guy
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Guy Miner
Master Loader
- Apr 6, 2006
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- 6,417
Bbear - I've had shoulder surgery - and am working now with a fellow who has badly banged up shoulders.
His old favorite .30-06 is just too much for him. We're looking at alternatives:
1. Muzzle brake, the good ones seriously cut recoil. Shop carefully. Some are more obnoxious than others.
2. Smaller cartridge, he's going to try my .25-06 and 6mm rifles. If he was after deer, either one would be perfect. He's thinking elk to roughly 200 yards, and that's certainly possible.
Guy
His old favorite .30-06 is just too much for him. We're looking at alternatives:
1. Muzzle brake, the good ones seriously cut recoil. Shop carefully. Some are more obnoxious than others.
2. Smaller cartridge, he's going to try my .25-06 and 6mm rifles. If he was after deer, either one would be perfect. He's thinking elk to roughly 200 yards, and that's certainly possible.
Guy
DrMike
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- Nov 8, 2006
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Guy Miner":2wgi7u1r said:
114% case fill--yeah, that is full. On a few powders, you can JUST get in 114% (primarily larger stick powders). Ball powders? Fine cut stick powders? Fuggetaboutit!
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- #10
Yea, I've put one 30-06 back in the safe. A Mtn rifle my Dad bought years ago. This Mod. 70 is heavier and should work out to a lower FELT recoil than the 7 lb Mtn rifle.
I sold my Blaser 300 WM and got a 264 WM. Felt recoil is quite a bit less on that and yet I hated giving up the Blaser.
That 25-06 should be the ticket for your friend. I have 2 of them and both are soft-shooters. I've even taken 2 elk with one of mine pushing the 120 gr partitions out of it. Right now my 'go-to' load for one of them is RL 26 at about 3050 fps and a 117gr SGK. The other likes the 110 AB (whenever Nosler decides to make some) pushed by 52 gr of RL 19.
The RL 19 load isn't one I can shoot in the summer time down here as the heat really warms that load up to being too hot.
I really do appreciate you running the QL for me and for others.
I sold my Blaser 300 WM and got a 264 WM. Felt recoil is quite a bit less on that and yet I hated giving up the Blaser.
That 25-06 should be the ticket for your friend. I have 2 of them and both are soft-shooters. I've even taken 2 elk with one of mine pushing the 120 gr partitions out of it. Right now my 'go-to' load for one of them is RL 26 at about 3050 fps and a 117gr SGK. The other likes the 110 AB (whenever Nosler decides to make some) pushed by 52 gr of RL 19.
The RL 19 load isn't one I can shoot in the summer time down here as the heat really warms that load up to being too hot.
I really do appreciate you running the QL for me and for others.
