Quick Load question

[AK7AN]

Was just wondering if some one could tell me if Quick Load supports the old military cartridges, 7.65 x 53 Argentine, Belgian, or just 765 mauser in paticular?.. It goes by several titles. Am seriously considering purchasing the software. I shoot several other calibers so I know it would be helpful for sure..
Thanks to all
Take care
Ed

 

[DrMike]

Indeed, QL does have the data for the 7.65X53 Mauser (Argentine, Belgian).

 

[DrMike]

Example, with Norma 180 grain .311 bullet.

Cartridge : 7.65 x 53 Arg./Belg. Mauser
Bullet : .311, 180, Norma SemiSP 67713
Useable Case Capaci: 51.778 grain H2O = 3.362 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.992 inch = 76.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 55565 psi, or 383 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 104.0 52.1 3.37 2744 99.9 55565 9789 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 103.2 51.6 3.35 2728 99.6 55565 9686 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 103.2 51.6 3.35 2728 99.6 55565 9686 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 107.6 53.8 3.49 2706 98.1 55565 9641 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 109.9 55.9 3.62 2695 95.1 55565 10077 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 110.0 51.1 3.31 2690 98.9 54020 9477 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 110.0 52.2 3.38 2688 99.9 53186 9276 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 104.6 53.2 3.45 2681 96.5 55565 9578 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 108.0 53.2 3.45 2679 96.5 55565 9563 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 108.8 53.6 3.48 2679 96.0 55565 9599 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 107.5 51.3 3.33 2678 98.3 55565 9366 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 107.8 50.9 3.30 2677 98.2 55565 9341 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 107.8 50.9 3.30 2677 98.2 55565 9339 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 104.5 51.0 3.30 2674 98.1 55565 9433 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 102.1 51.5 3.34 2673 95.6 55565 9489 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 102.1 51.5 3.34 2673 95.6 55565 9489 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 99.7 48.1 3.12 2638 99.7 55565 8788 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 99.7 48.1 3.12 2638 99.7 55565 8788 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 50.8 3.29 2633 99.3 54414 8695 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 110.0 56.4 3.66 2631 95.6 47161 10408 1.187
Rottweil R903 101.9 48.1 3.12 2630 99.6 55565 8703 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 109.8 52.4 3.39 2630 92.8 55565 9212 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 106.3 52.4 3.39 2630 92.8 55565 9212 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 109.8 52.4 3.39 2630 92.8 55565 9212 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 107.5 52.1 3.38 2627 95.1 55565 9081 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 98.7 48.1 3.12 2621 97.8 55565 8890 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 101.5 47.4 3.07 2620 99.5 55565 8664 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 99.5 46.5 3.01 2616 100.0 55565 8240 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 92.3 46.4 3.01 2614 100.0 55565 8239 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 94.4 46.4 3.01 2614 100.0 55565 8239 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 106.4 50.2 3.25 2613 95.8 55565 8959 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.0 52.2 3.38 2610 92.1 53643 9269 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 93.7 43.7 2.83 2597 100.0 55565 7886 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 104.8 48.9 3.17 2595 97.0 55565 8699 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 52.5 3.40 2594 92.0 51634 9298 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 55.4 3.59 2593 92.3 54988 8928 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 92.9 47.6 3.08 2592 97.7 55565 8551 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 110.0 54.8 3.55 2589 92.3 47149 9958 1.192
Rottweil R904 110.0 51.8 3.35 2587 91.3 55096 8829 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 110.0 50.3 3.26 2582 97.5 50146 8964 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 103.2 48.3 3.13 2579 94.7 55565 8661 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 103.2 48.3 3.13 2579 94.7 55565 8661 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 99.9 48.4 3.13 2578 94.7 55565 8655 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 110.0 52.5 3.40 2567 91.6 50446 9149 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 92.8 42.1 2.73 2563 100.0 55565 7819 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 109.0 55.4 3.59 2561 90.1 55565 8607 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 110.0 53.1 3.44 2554 93.1 49762 8984 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 53.9 3.49 2549 87.8 49096 9369 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 110.0 53.1 3.44 2524 88.0 50544 8787 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 110.0 53.6 3.48 2520 86.4 45453 9497 1.218
ADI AR 2213 110.0 53.1 3.44 2520 87.3 48234 9167 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 53.1 3.44 2510 89.4 44622 9372 1.228
Raufoss RA15 110.0 53.1 3.44 2510 89.4 44622 9372 1.228
Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 53.1 3.44 2510 89.4 44622 9372 1.228
IMR 4955 Enduron 110.0 51.1 3.31 2487 88.6 49522 8470 1.188 ! Near Maximum !


With Hornady 174 grain .312 bullet:

Cartridge : 7.65 x 53 Arg./Belg. Mauser
Bullet : .312, 174, Hornady RN 3130
Useable Case Capaci: 52.196 grain H2O = 3.389 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.992 inch = 76.00 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 55565 psi, or 383 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 104.6 52.8 3.42 2789 99.9 55565 9915 1.084 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 103.8 52.4 3.39 2773 99.4 55565 9797 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 103.8 52.4 3.39 2773 99.4 55565 9797 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 108.2 54.6 3.54 2751 97.8 55565 9733 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 105.2 53.9 3.49 2724 96.1 55565 9652 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 108.2 52.1 3.37 2724 98.0 55565 9462 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 108.7 54.0 3.50 2723 96.1 55565 9637 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 108.5 51.6 3.34 2722 97.9 55565 9434 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 108.5 51.6 3.35 2722 97.9 55565 9431 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 109.5 54.4 3.52 2722 95.6 55565 9669 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 110.0 56.4 3.65 2720 94.3 54631 10083 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 105.2 51.7 3.35 2719 97.8 55565 9525 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 110.0 51.5 3.34 2717 98.5 52847 9538 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 102.7 52.3 3.39 2717 95.2 55565 9564 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 102.7 52.3 3.39 2717 95.2 55565 9564 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 110.0 52.6 3.41 2715 99.7 52003 9371 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 100.3 48.8 3.16 2684 99.6 55565 8898 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 100.3 48.8 3.16 2684 99.6 55565 8898 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 102.6 48.8 3.16 2677 99.4 55565 8811 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 106.9 53.1 3.44 2672 92.3 55565 9263 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 108.2 52.8 3.42 2671 94.7 55565 9147 1.110 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 102.2 48.1 3.12 2666 99.3 55565 8767 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 99.3 48.8 3.16 2666 97.5 55565 8977 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 100.2 47.2 3.06 2665 100.0 55565 8364 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 110.0 52.9 3.43 2662 92.1 54932 9230 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 110.0 52.9 3.43 2662 92.1 54932 9230 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 110.0 51.2 3.32 2662 99.0 53268 8761 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 95.0 47.1 3.05 2661 100.0 55565 8362 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 92.9 47.1 3.05 2661 100.0 55565 8362 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 107.0 50.9 3.30 2656 95.3 55565 9032 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 110.0 56.9 3.69 2649 94.7 46121 10404 1.181
Accurate 2495 94.3 44.4 2.88 2647 100.0 55565 8007 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 105.4 49.6 3.22 2638 96.6 55565 8776 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 93.5 48.3 3.13 2636 97.4 55565 8634 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 110.0 52.6 3.41 2634 91.2 52635 9256 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 103.8 49.0 3.18 2622 94.3 55565 8726 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 103.8 49.0 3.18 2622 94.3 55565 8726 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 100.5 49.0 3.18 2621 94.3 55565 8719 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 110.0 52.9 3.43 2618 91.1 50640 9285 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 110.0 55.8 3.62 2616 91.5 53882 8916 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 110.0 52.2 3.38 2612 90.4 54046 8820 1.122 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 93.4 42.7 2.77 2610 100.0 55565 7936 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 110.0 55.2 3.58 2609 91.2 46165 9931 1.186
IMR 4831 110.0 50.7 3.28 2607 96.9 48979 8999 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 109.6 56.2 3.64 2601 89.5 55565 8645 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 110.0 52.9 3.43 2590 90.7 49477 9133 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 110.0 53.5 3.47 2576 92.3 48632 8980 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 54.4 3.52 2569 86.6 48144 9323 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 110.0 53.5 3.47 2547 87.0 49585 8755 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 110.0 53.5 3.47 2540 86.2 47326 9120 1.180
Vihtavuori N560 110.0 54.1 3.50 2539 85.2 44543 9445 1.211
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 53.5 3.47 2529 88.3 43714 9334 1.221
Raufoss RA15 110.0 53.5 3.47 2529 88.3 43714 9334 1.221
Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 53.5 3.47 2529 88.3 43714 9334 1.221
IMR 4955 Enduron 110.0 51.5 3.34 2510 87.7 48621 8447 1.179 ! Near Maximum !

 

[AK7AN]

WOW.. Isn't that an eye opener!!
Thanks Dr Mike, I have been struggling with reloading manuals that show only using a very limited amount of powders, and not even coming close to the velocities shown. My 91 has a 24 in barrel and I suppose that might have something to do with that. Also have been doing a lot of research and discovered that 56700 psi is MAX pressure for these rifle/ cartridge combo. My target velocity for the 180 gr Sierra Pro Hunter is 2620, (308 win factory load dup), looks like that is very doable. I was able to get the 150 Hornady SP to 2730 with H335 and it shoots sub MOA if I do my part..
Just wanting to have a back up Elk rifle or a guest rifle if needed.
Thanks again Mike
Take care
Ed

 

[AK7AN]

So if some one would run a couple of powders that I don't see on the list that would be awesome..
180 gr Sierra Pro Hunter
IMR 4320, and H335
24 inch Barrel.
Thanks and take care
Ed

 

[jimbires]

I only show one sierra 180 gr bullet .


Cartridge : 7.65 x 53 Arg./Belg. Mauser
Bullet : .311, 180, Sierra SP 2310
Useable Case Capaci: 51.173 grain H2O = 3.323 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.992 inch = 76.00 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : IMR 4320

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 80 37.12 2173 1886 30299 6205 92.5 1.551
-18.0 82 38.05 2223 1975 32233 6385 93.6 1.510
-16.0 84 38.98 2273 2066 34290 6558 94.5 1.470
-14.0 86 39.90 2324 2158 36476 6725 95.4 1.431
-12.0 88 40.83 2374 2252 38801 6884 96.2 1.392
-10.0 90 41.76 2424 2349 41274 7035 96.9 1.353
-08.0 92 42.69 2474 2446 43909 7177 97.6 1.316
-06.0 94 43.62 2524 2546 46716 7309 98.2 1.280
-04.0 96 44.54 2573 2647 49709 7432 98.7 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 98 45.47 2623 2749 52902 7544 99.1 1.212 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 46.40 2672 2853 56314 7645 99.4 1.179 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 102 47.33 2721 2958 59959 7735 99.7 1.148 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 48.26 2769 3065 63853 7813 99.9 1.118 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 106 49.18 2817 3172 68043 7879 100.0 1.089 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 108 50.11 2865 3281 72529 7932 100.0 1.061 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 110 51.04 2913 3391 77345 7980 100.0 1.033 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 46.40 2774 3074 66926 7359 100.0 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 46.40 2527 2552 46563 7588 95.0 1.278



Cartridge : 7.65 x 53 Arg./Belg. Mauser
Bullet : .311, 180, Sierra SP 2310
Useable Case Capaci: 51.173 grain H2O = 3.323 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.992 inch = 76.00 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H335

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 69 35.36 2187 1912 31239 6095 97.7 1.543
-18.0 70 36.24 2235 1996 33168 6236 98.3 1.507
-16.0 72 37.13 2281 2080 35207 6369 98.8 1.472
-14.0 74 38.01 2328 2166 37363 6493 99.2 1.438
-12.0 76 38.90 2374 2252 39641 6608 99.5 1.400
-10.0 77 39.78 2419 2340 42049 6714 99.8 1.362
-08.0 79 40.66 2465 2428 44594 6810 99.9 1.327
-06.0 81 41.55 2509 2517 47285 6896 100.0 1.292
-04.0 82 42.43 2554 2606 50129 6973 100.0 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 84 43.32 2597 2696 53138 7049 100.0 1.228 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 86 44.20 2640 2787 56321 7123 100.0 1.197 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 88 45.08 2683 2878 59691 7195 100.0 1.168 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 89 45.97 2726 2970 63260 7266 100.0 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 91 46.85 2768 3062 67042 7335 100.0 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 93 47.74 2810 3155 71052 7402 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 94 48.62 2851 3250 75308 7467 100.0 1.061 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 86 44.20 2716 2949 66268 6877 100.0 1.125 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 86 44.20 2525 2548 46489 7368 99.0 1.294

 

[AK7AN]

Thanks so much Jim,
That is the correct bullet and it looks great..
I have always gotten good velocity with 4320 but accuracy wasn't what I wanted, but It was hunting acceptable. Going to mess with H335 and H414 and possibly Re17.. I plan on starting at magazine length and go from there. Even at mag length I am nowhere near the lands, and I have no idea how far they are. Original military load for these rifles were 215gr RN bullets, so long chambers were the rule. The Hornady 150gr SP's have a very long jump but shoot MOA with H335.. I did try the same ogive coal with the 180's but not as good groups.
Thanks again
Ed