Quick load request.

[Cleveland48]

Can someone run a quick load for me? The powders I have to try are IMR 4166, IMR 4064, and ramshot big game. Thanks in advance for any help.

416 Taylor
Speer 350 grain mag tip
25.5” barrel.

 

[JD338]

Can someone run a quick load for me? The powders I have to try are IMR 4166, IMR 4064, and ramshot big game. Thanks in advance for any help.

416 Taylor
Speer 350 grain mag tip
25.5” barrel.

What is your case capacity?

JD338

 

[Cleveland48]

I have an old quick load saved on my phone and it says case capacity is 76.826 I’m definitely not 100% sure on my fire formed improved cases.

 

[Cleveland48]

I’m not sure if I did it right but I weighed water capacity on my scale at home and new unified brass I got 93 gr of water and on 1X fired brass I got 97 gr water capacity

 

[DrMike]

I’m not sure if I did it right but I weighed water capacity on my scale at home and new unified brass I got 93 gr of water and on 1X fired brass I got 97 gr water capacity

Deoxygenate the water by letting it set out overnight in an open container. Tare your fired case with the expended primer still in the primer pocket. Carefully pipette deoxygenated water into the case until it forms a convex meniscus. The weight of the water is the case capacity overflow.

 

[Johnly]

Greetings from another 416 Taylor owner.
GRT shows these max loads with a 25.5" barrel:
72.0 IMR 4064 2527 fps
73.0 IMR 4166 2528 fps
79.0 RS Big Game 2560 fps
If you can find some RL-17 it really makes the Taylor hum.

 

[Cleveland48]

Greetings from another 416 Taylor owner.
GRT shows these max loads with a 25.5" barrel:
72.0 IMR 4064 2527 fps
73.0 IMR 4166 2528 fps
79.0 RS Big Game 2560 fps
If you can find some RL-17 it really makes the Taylor hum.

Thanks! What is GRT that you got that data from? I mainly only find load data for 400 grain bullets which I never use, I almost always use 300-350 bullets on whitetail. I’m pretty sure I have some RL17 left possibly

 

[Johnly]

GRT => Gordon's Reloading Tool is like Quickload, but is free and not as comprehensive.
My 416 Taylor sports a 24" barrel, but 83.6 gr of RL-17 pushing a 350 Speer GS delivers 2622 fps and 5344 fpe in my rifle.
It's a max load, and you really don't need to load it that hard to get performance in the field.

 

[frankm]

Make sure to put “a chin strap on your hat” before using that thing!! lol

 

[JD338]

Ran across this load data for the 416 Taylor

416 Taylor loads

I was hoping that someone had some 416 Taylor load data for 35o and/or 400 grain bullets. Thank you.

www.africahunting.com

JD338

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .416 Taylor Mag
Bullet             : .416, 350, Speer MAG-TIP 2477
Useable Case Capaci: 78.573 grain H2O = 5.102 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 25.5 inch = 647.7 mm
Powder             : IMR 4166 Enduron *C*T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    66.96   2277    4028   45713   5807     93.4    1.421
-09.0   98    67.70   2301    4113   47178   5874     93.8    1.401
-08.0   99    68.45   2324    4199   48692   5939     94.2    1.382
-07.0  100    69.19   2348    4285   50255   6003     94.6    1.363
-06.0  101    69.94   2372    4373   51870   6065     95.0    1.344
-05.0  102    70.68   2396    4461   53539   6126     95.4    1.325
-04.0  103    71.42   2420    4550   55265   6186     95.7    1.307  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  104    72.17   2443    4640   57049   6243     96.1    1.290  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    72.91   2467    4730   58895   6300     96.4    1.272  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  106    73.66   2491    4822   60804   6354     96.7    1.255  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    74.40   2515    4914   62780   6407     97.0    1.238  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  108    75.14   2538    5007   64826   6458     97.3    1.222  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  109    75.89   2562    5101   66944   6507     97.6    1.205  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  110    76.63   2586    5195   69139   6554     97.8    1.189  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    77.38   2609    5291   71413   6599     98.1    1.174  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    78.12   2633    5387   73771   6643     98.3    1.158  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    74.40   2570    5132   67928   6408     98.7    1.198  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    74.40   2451    4670   57703   6342     94.5    1.284  ! Near Maximum !

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .416 Taylor Mag
Bullet             : .416, 350, Speer MAG-TIP 2477
Useable Case Capaci: 78.573 grain H2O = 5.102 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 25.5 inch = 647.7 mm
Powder             : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    66.15   2318    4175   45779   5897     97.7    1.409
-09.0   98    66.89   2341    4260   47252   5951     97.9    1.390
-08.0   99    67.62   2364    4345   48773   6003     98.2    1.371
-07.0  100    68.36   2388    4431   50344   6054     98.4    1.352
-06.0  101    69.09   2411    4517   51967   6102     98.7    1.334
-05.0  102    69.83   2434    4604   53645   6148     98.9    1.316
-04.0  103    70.56   2457    4691   55378   6193     99.1    1.298  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  104    71.30   2480    4780   57170   6235     99.2    1.281  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  105    72.03   2503    4868   59023   6274     99.4    1.263  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  106    72.77   2526    4957   60939   6312     99.5    1.247  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  107    73.50   2548    5047   62921   6347     99.7    1.230  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  108    74.24   2571    5138   64972   6380     99.8    1.214  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  110    74.97   2594    5228   67095   6411     99.8    1.198  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  111    75.71   2616    5320   69293   6439     99.9    1.182  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    76.44   2639    5412   71570   6464    100.0    1.167  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    77.18   2661    5504   73929   6488    100.0    1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    107    73.50   2596    5239   68538   6216    100.0    1.191  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    107    73.50   2490    4820   57378   6404     98.3    1.276  ! Near Maximum !

 

[DrMike]

Cartridge          : .416 Taylor Mag
Bullet             : .416, 350, Speer MAG-TIP 2477
Useable Case Capaci: 78.573 grain H2O = 5.102 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 25.5 inch = 647.7 mm
Powder             : Ramshot Big Game

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   94    72.27   2369    4360   44552   6356     97.7    1.401
-09.0   95    73.07   2394    4453   46088   6413     98.0    1.380
-08.0   96    73.88   2419    4547   47682   6468     98.3    1.360
-07.0   97    74.68   2444    4643   49335   6519     98.6    1.340
-06.0   98    75.48   2469    4738   51051   6568     98.8    1.321
-05.0   99    76.29   2494    4835   52831   6615     99.0    1.301
-04.0  100    77.09   2519    4932   54683   6658     99.2    1.282  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0  101    77.89   2544    5030   56606   6698     99.4    1.264  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0  102    78.69   2569    5129   58604   6736     99.6    1.246  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  103    79.50   2594    5229   60683   6770     99.7    1.228  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  104    80.30   2619    5329   62844   6802     99.8    1.211  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  105    81.10   2643    5430   65093   6830     99.9    1.193  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0  106    81.91   2668    5531   67434   6855     99.9    1.176  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  107    82.71   2692    5633   69872   6876    100.0    1.160  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  108    83.51   2717    5736   72414   6894    100.0    1.143  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  109    84.32   2741    5839   75065   6910    100.0    1.127  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    104    80.30   2673    5551   69448   6629    100.0    1.167  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    104    80.30   2552    5062   56683   6888     98.5    1.260  ! Near Maximum !

 

[Cleveland48]

Thanks for all the help guys! I don’t remember my exact load with RL 15 was without looking through my notes, but I know it was 2610 fps. That’s what I was hoping to get too with these other powders or pretty close. I know with the improved case and RL15 I got right up at 2700 fps but backed it down around 100 fps.

 

[Cleveland48]

Deoxygenate the water by letting it set out overnight in an open container. Tare your fired case with the expended primer still in the primer pocket. Carefully pipette deoxygenated water into the case until it forms a convex meniscus. The weight of the water is the case capacity overflow.

I was finally able to get the case capacity in water like you mentioned DrMike. I came up with 96 gr of water capacity on 2X fired Norma brass. I noticed on the quick load it said H2O capacity was 78.57 gr of water. Why is their so much difference between quick load and what I measured? Just curious if if they measure a different way or what.

 

[Cleveland48]

What is your case capacity?

JD338

JD338, I came up with 97 gr of water capacity.

 

[RL338]

I was finally able to get the case capacity in water like you mentioned DrMike. I came up with 96 gr of water capacity on 2X fired Norma brass. I noticed on the quick load it said H2O capacity was 78.57 gr of water. Why is their so much difference between quick load and what I measured? Just curious if if they measure a different way or what.

The 78.57 grs is the usable capacity of the case , the amount under the projectile. My version of QL lists 92grs H2O as overfill capacity.

 

[Cleveland48]

Ok thanks, that makes sense now. I measured 92.4 on a new unfired fired case. And 97 on a fully formed improved case that’s been fired 2x. I guess the improved case has some more capacity. I was doubting the improved case was much different, but I guess there is some difference.