Quick load w/ CFE 223... for the 250 savage.

[cloverleaf]

So... I found a pound of Hogdon CFE 223. Load data is avaialable for Speer hot cores in 100gr and 87gr varieties. Hornady also lists loads for the 75gr V-max's both of wich I have available. Loads look pretty speedy. What I dont have is anything for 100gr BT's any body able to run a quick load for me with the following parameters:
250-3000 Savage
RP case
CCI 200 Primer
100Gr Niosler BT

Also any insights/ thoughts on CFE 223 in general? All the Data I can find w/ Hornady and Speer bullets shows potential for lots of velocity. Thanks for the help!

BTW - I also found a box of 100gr Noslers too, and a Ruger RSI International in 250 Savage. No I didnt bring it home. Cabelas wanted over $2200 for that! CL



















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[wvbuckbuster]

use the data for the Speer 100gr. Start low, work up. As for CFE223 I like it and does well in my 223 Rem. Have tried it in a 308Win did ok. It's a good powder for where it can be used. Dan.

 

[GregoryB.]

Midway had Hornady 250 Savage brass in stock last week if you need any brass. Was definitely cheaper than the auction site. Got a bag myself.

 

[JD338]

I've had good luck with CFE223 in the 300 Blackout and 308 Win with 220 gr bullets.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

use the data for the Speer 100gr. Start low, work up. As for CFE223 I like it and does well in my 223 Rem. Have tried it in a 308Win did ok. It's a good powder for where it can be used. Dan.

Same thought here, use the 100 grain Speer data. Bullets are of the same build and 250 Savage is mild enough I wouldn’t worry a bit.

 

[AFG270]

I use CFE223 in my 22-250 with heavier bullets and in my 223 with 55g, works well.

 

[cloverleaf]

Thanks all. That CFE is wierd stuff, at least not at all like 4350 and 4064. Stuff looks like pixie dust and as slippery as quick silver. Not having a powder measure, the old spoon and scale make measuring a challenge. Not a problem per se, but takes a little different technique. CL

 

[cloverleaf]

Shot some of this powder yesterday. Specifically, 38 grains of CFE 223 under an 87gr Speer Hot Core. COAL 2.502. Shot this load out of my mauser (1.25 in group). and my friends model 99. (two hole touching and I pulle dthe third 2in. away.)

I stopped shooting because I was seeing flattened primers, and feeling heavie bolt lift than I like. Whats up there?

38 Grains of 4350 provides much less of these "symptoms" and good accuracy

. Could some one w/quick load please run this one for me? Thanks CL

 

[DrMike]

Troy, you're way under maximum chamber pressure.

Cartridge          : .250 Savage
Bullet             : .257, 87, Speer SP 1241
Useable Case Capaci: 42.480 grain H2O = 2.758 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.502 inch = 63.55 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon CFE223 *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   80    34.20   2553    1259   28814   8010     84.2    1.305
-09.0   81    34.58   2582    1288   29679   8140     84.9    1.289
-08.0   82    34.96   2612    1318   30572   8269     85.6    1.273
-07.0   83    35.34   2642    1348   31492   8397     86.3    1.258
-06.0   84    35.72   2672    1379   32441   8523     86.9    1.243
-05.0   85    36.10   2702    1410   33423   8649     87.6    1.228
-04.0   85    36.48   2732    1442   34433   8772     88.2    1.213
-03.0   86    36.86   2762    1474   35473   8895     88.8    1.198
-02.0   87    37.24   2792    1506   36553   9015     89.4    1.183
-01.0   88    37.62   2822    1539   37665   9134     90.0    1.168
+00.0   89    38.00   2853    1572   38814   9251     90.6    1.152
+01.0   90    38.38   2883    1606   39998   9366     91.2    1.136
+02.0   91    38.76   2914    1640   41208   9479     91.7    1.120
+03.0   92    39.14   2944    1675   42487   9590     92.3    1.104
+04.0   93    39.52   2975    1710   43794   9698     92.8    1.089
+05.0   93    39.90   3006    1745   45142   9804     93.3    1.073  ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     89    38.00   2950    1681   42624   9509     94.3    1.103
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     89    38.00   2746    1457   35244   8883     86.1    1.202

Cartridge          : .250 Savage
Bullet             : .257, 87, Speer SP 1241
Useable Case Capaci: 42.480 grain H2O = 2.758 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.502 inch = 63.55 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder             : Hodgdon CFE223 *C

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    37.44   2808    1523   37134   9078     89.8    1.176
-09.0   89    37.86   2841    1560   38373   9207     90.4    1.158
-08.0   90    38.27   2875    1596   39658   9334     91.0    1.140
-07.0   91    38.69   2908    1634   40988   9458     91.6    1.122
-06.0   92    39.10   2941    1672   42365   9580     92.2    1.105
-05.0   93    39.52   2975    1710   43794   9698     92.8    1.089
-04.0   94    39.94   3009    1749   45277   9814     93.4    1.072  ! Near Maximum !
-03.0   95    40.35   3042    1788   46812   9927     93.9    1.056  ! Near Maximum !
-02.0   95    40.77   3076    1828   48404  10036     94.4    1.040  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0   96    41.18   3110    1868   50058  10143     94.9    1.024  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0   97    41.60   3143    1909   51775  10246     95.4    1.008  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0   98    42.02   3177    1950   53555  10345     95.8    0.993  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0   99    42.43   3211    1992   55398  10440     96.3    0.978  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  100    42.85   3245    2034   57324  10531     96.7    0.963  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  101    43.26   3279    2077   59324  10619     97.1    0.949  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  102    43.68   3312    2120   61399  10702     97.4    0.935  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 5% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 5% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     97    41.60   3238    2026   57073  10354     97.9    0.967  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 5% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     97    41.60   3036    1781   46824   9999     91.8    1.055  ! Near Maximum !

You'll have to look for another factor causing your observation.

 

[SJB358]

Sometimes low pressure loads can exhibit high pressure signs as well. Flattened primers by themselves I don’t much pay attention to mostly.

 

[cloverleaf]

Thanks Dr Mike- Guess Im pulling some bullets and re checking some charge weights. I thought I should have plenty lee way at 38gr. CL