quickload for 30-06

[RMiller]

anyone have data for 60 grains of imr4350 and a 165 grain bullet? This is being reported as shooting 3060 fps in a 30-06.

Rifle is a weatherby mark V.

The shooter says they used pressure guages to stay within the pressure limits of the 25-06 and 270.

I wonder if they were swapping the pressure guage between rifles because that will not be accurate.

 

[ArmyCW]

anyone have data for 60 grains of imr4350 and a 165 grain bullet? This is being reported as shooting 3060 fps in a 30-06.

Rifle is a weatherby mark V.

The shooter says they used pressure guages to stay within the pressure limits of the 25-06 and 270.

I wonder if they were swapping the pressure guage between rifles because that will not be accurate.

Data for IMR 4350 165 grain bullet.. suggested starting is 52.5 and
MAX is 57 compressed load ...thats 2878 according my Lyman book
and compressed load... NO Do NOT load 60 grain IMR 4350
Thats a dangersload....

 

[SakoSteve270wsm]

Hodgdon's web page shows a starting load of 56 grains of IMR4350 and a max charge of 60gr compressed.Listed velocity for the max load is 2934fps.This is with a 165gr Sierra SBT.Pressure is shown at 57,600 PSI.

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet : .308, 165, Nosler BalTip 30165
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 83 45.61 2304 1945 28925 7520 88.1 1.527
-18.0 85 46.75 2363 2045 30877 7774 89.5 1.486
-16.0 87 47.89 2422 2148 32954 8020 90.8 1.446
-14.0 89 49.03 2481 2255 35202 8259 92.1 1.406
-12.0 91 50.17 2540 2364 37598 8487 93.2 1.367
-10.0 93 51.31 2600 2476 40167 8706 94.3 1.325
-08.0 95 52.45 2659 2591 42924 8912 95.3 1.285
-06.0 97 53.59 2719 2708 45885 9106 96.2 1.246
-04.0 99 54.73 2778 2828 49067 9286 97.0 1.209
-02.0 101 55.87 2838 2951 52476 9452 97.8 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 103 57.01 2898 3076 56191 9601 98.4 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 105 58.15 2957 3203 60179 9735 98.9 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 59.29 3016 3333 64490 9850 99.3 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 110 60.43 3075 3465 69158 9947 99.6 1.039 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 112 61.57 3134 3599 74221 10024 99.9 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 114 62.71 3193 3735 79721 10081 100.0 0.979 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 103 57.01 3036 3377 67934 9353 100.0 1.054 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 103 57.01 2708 2688 45873 9299 92.1 1.246

 

[yeayow]

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet : .308, 165, Nosler BalTip 30165
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 90 48.00 2497 2285 34240 7408 91.6 1.496
-18.0 92 49.20 2559 2399 36660 7623 92.8 1.454
-16.0 94 50.40 2621 2516 39256 7829 93.9 1.409
-14.0 96 51.60 2682 2636 42045 8025 95.0 1.366
-12.0 99 52.80 2744 2758 45043 8209 95.9 1.324
-10.0 101 54.00 2805 2883 48265 8380 96.7 1.284
-08.0 103 55.20 2866 3010 51735 8539 97.5 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
-06.0 105 56.40 2927 3140 55475 8683 98.1 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 107 57.60 2988 3271 59511 8812 98.7 1.171 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
-02.0 110 58.80 3049 3405 63872 8925 99.2 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 112 60.00 3109 3541 68590 9022 99.5 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 114 61.20 3169 3679 73676 9101 99.8 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 116 62.40 3229 3819 79166 9162 99.9 1.039 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 119 63.60 3288 3961 85120 9204 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 121 64.80 3347 4104 91587 9233 100.0 0.980 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 123 66.00 3405 4248 98628 9258 100.0 0.952 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 112 60.00 3231 3825 82387 8648 100.0 1.028 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 112 60.00 2933 3152 55629 8986 95.1 1.202 ! Near Maximum !

 

[FOTIS]

Now, with the aforementioned pay attention to the pressures.

The 30-06 has a SAMMI max of 58k or so.

The 308 has a max of 65K or so. Why?????? I presume because older guns and brass quality??????


But if you load them both to 65K (brass and rifles of modern quality will handle this---they do not make 30-06 brass weaker on purpose) then you can realize 3000 fps in a 24" tube.

PLEASE BE ADVISED THE ABOVE IS A PERSONAL HYPOTHESIS AND ONLY THAT. DO NOT TRY IT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!

 

[yeayow]

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring.
Bullet : .308, 165, Speer SP 2035
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch or 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch or 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 87 48.00 2462 2221 32500 7440 91.0 1.527
-18.0 89 49.20 2523 2331 34735 7662 92.3 1.485
-16.0 91 50.40 2583 2444 37125 7876 93.4 1.445
-14.0 93 51.60 2643 2560 39687 8080 94.4 1.401
-12.0 95 52.80 2704 2678 42430 8274 95.4 1.359
-10.0 98 54.00 2764 2798 45371 8455 96.3 1.318
-08.0 100 55.20 2824 2921 48528 8625 97.1 1.279
-06.0 102 56.40 2884 3046 51913 8781 97.8 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
-04.0 104 57.60 2943 3174 55561 8924 98.4 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 106 58.80 3002 3303 59482 9051 98.9 1.170 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+00.0 108 60.00 3062 3434 63706 9163 99.3 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 111 61.20 3120 3567 68234 9258 99.6 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 62.40 3179 3702 73097 9337 99.8 1.072 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 63.60 3237 3838 78342 9398 100.0 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 117 64.80 3294 3976 84007 9440 100.0 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 119 66.00 3352 4116 90135 9474 100.0 0.984 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 60.00 3186 3720 76414 8818 100.0 1.057 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 60.00 2884 3048 51734 9065 94.5 1.239 ! Near Maximum !

 

[RMiller]

So this looks like it may work depending on properly working up the load and the individual gun.

00.0 108 60.00 3062 3434 63706 9163 99.3 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

velocity matches what the user is getting and the pressure is below the 65000 psi used for most modern cartridges.

 

[FOTIS]

So this looks like it may work depending on properly working up the load and the individual gun.

00.0 108 60.00 3062 3434 63706 9163 99.3 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

velocity matches what the user is getting and the pressure is below the 65000 psi used for most modern cartridges.

Again....theoretically yes, however that is a chance one might be willing to take and accept responsibility for. The 270 win also works at high pressures but you can make one out of 30-06 brass (or vice versa) and you can fire both in a 70 Winchester, Ruger 77 rem 700 or Savage 110. What sense does that make? Again your risk.

 

[SakoSteve270wsm]

SAMMI has to take ALL rifles into account.So with the 30-06 you need to factor in the M1 gerand.Don't think I would run 65000 PSI in an M1. :shock: But for modern bolt action rifles I see no reason not to load the same as a 270. I am not recommending anyone do this !
Its just my personal feelings on the matter.

 

[Alaska]

57.0 with IMR 4350 and 180 Nosler Part has been my standard load for years in the 30-06

 

[bobbyrum]

I load my brother's .30-06 with 57.0 gr.-H4350 & 165 Interbonds. He's too cheap to pay for Accubonds :roll: Having said that, he will never see anything close to 60 gr. H4350 and anytime I change a brand of bullet, all be it the same weight, I start the load from the bottom all over again. You can bet pressures will be different

 

[kraky]

I recomend the book a "handloaders Odyssey" by Stan Watson to anyone who loves this hobby. He pushes the 30-06 through a ton of different load, bullet, primer, powder configurations with 2 guns and a strain gauge.
He pushed the 165 hornday bt to 60 grains I 4350. In one gun it did 2950 at 63k pressure. In the other he got 2887 at 58K pressure.

NOW REMEMBER...THAT... that bullet is probably the mildest 165 grain you can shoot for pressure and velocity. Longer bullets like say an AccuBond could probably easily build another 5-7k pressure. Also...remember that lots of powder vary by as much as 5% so...if he had a mild lot you could get a much stronger result at the same charge.

My "guess" is that what was posted in the original post is possible....IF ALL THE INPUTS WERE ON THE LUCKY SIDE OF velocity and pressure. I would think that gun would have to have a 26" barrel for one thing....that the bullet was a mild pressure maker (possbily molly coated)...that perhaps the seating length was long and gun maybe had some freebore....it had a fast barrel etc etc.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Kraky reminds us all of a very good point.
Same load, two different guns, 5k difference in pressure. :shock:

Now I don't know this for a fact, but I'm willing to bet it's possible to generate a 5k difference just changing BRASS.

 

[FOTIS]

I recomend the book a "handloaders Odyssey" by Stan Watson to anyone who loves this hobby. He pushes the 30-06 through a ton of different load, bullet, primer, powder configurations with 2 guns and a strain gauge.
He pushed the 165 hornday bt to 60 grains I 4350. In one gun it did 2950 at 63k pressure. In the other he got 2887 at 58K pressure.

NOW REMEMBER...THAT... that bullet is probably the mildest 165 grain you can shoot for pressure and velocity. Longer bullets like say an AccuBond could probably easily build another 5-7k pressure. Also...remember that lots of powder vary by as much as 5% so...if he had a mild lot you could get a much stronger result at the same charge.

My "guess" is that what was posted in the original post is possible....IF ALL THE INPUTS WERE ON THE LUCKY SIDE OF velocity and pressure. I would think that gun would have to have a 26" barrel for one thing....that the bullet was a mild pressure maker (possbily molly coated)...that perhaps the seating length was long and gun maybe had some freebore....it had a fast barrel etc etc.

He use to post on Accurate reloading. I still have some of his findings when he was posting results there.....

 

[whit]

What would the difference be with a 22 inch barrel instead of the 26 in.?
Nearly every reloading manual I see uses a 24 in barrel. Currently I use either sierra 165 spbt or hornady 165 sst with 57.0 gr IMR 4350 but I have been thinking about trying the 165 gr AccuBond for better weight retention. I have also been thinking of trying 180's for a future elk hunt.

 

[Richracer1]

What would the difference be with a 22 inch barrel instead of the 26 in.?
Nearly every reloading manual I see uses a 24 in barrel. Currently I use either sierra 165 spbt or hornady 165 sst with 57.0 gr IMR 4350 but I have been thinking about trying the 165 gr AccuBond for better weight retention. I have also been thinking of trying 180's for a future elk hunt.

For the most part, velocity.