Quickload request for 300 SAUM 200gr Accubond... POP ???

[300SaUltraMag]

Hi, I'm new on the forum and it seem than it's possible to get the data by request here ???

Ok, I would like to have the Data for my 300 SAUM 22" barrel (Model Seven LSS), with Nosler AccuBond 200gr... WLRM Primer and COL of 2.825".

I want to try the new RL17 but there is absolutely no data for me... Could be interresting to know with RL19 and AA3100 too.

Thanks a lot.

 

[yeayow]

If you know how to get water capacity of the fired and unprimed case it would probably get you much better results. the quickload water capacity of the 300 saum is 73.5 grains which is less than the listed capacity of the 7mm saum. i think this gives unusually high pressures for the calculated loads. Also oal that you'de like to load to if different than saami length would be helpful. I don't have version 3.4 yet so i can't help on rl-17. Since i just had rotator cuff surgery done i'll probably have many useless hours to kill so i'll be getting version 3.4. i don't want to give results since the 180 loads i ran for whomever asked for them were so far off of published max's that it seemed silly to even post them. I realize they are only estimates in the program but if they are that far off some thing in that caliber is probably off but i couldn't figure out what it was other than case capacity when looking at the design info. since its not a caliber i have i can't check the other dimensions. if you still want some info than let me know.

 

[yeayow]

Cartridge : .300 Rem SA Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54618
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.825 inch or 71.76 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-19

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.426% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-04.3 100 56.49 2573 2940 51702 10542 96.6 1.244
-03.8 101 56.74 2585 2967 52430 10587 96.8 1.236
-03.4 101 56.99 2596 2994 53170 10631 96.9 1.228
-03.0 101 57.24 2608 3021 53920 10675 97.1 1.220
-02.6 102 57.49 2620 3048 54684 10718 97.2 1.213
-02.1 102 57.74 2631 3075 55457 10760 97.4 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
-01.7 103 58.00 2643 3102 56243 10801 97.5 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
-01.3 103 58.25 2655 3130 57041 10842 97.7 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
-00.9 104 58.50 2666 3157 57852 10882 97.8 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
-00.4 104 58.75 2678 3185 58675 10922 97.9 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 105 59.00 2690 3213 59508 10961 98.1 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
+00.4 105 59.25 2701 3240 60358 10998 98.2 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
+00.9 105 59.50 2713 3268 61220 11036 98.3 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
+01.3 106 59.75 2725 3297 62097 11072 98.4 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
+01.7 106 60.00 2736 3325 62986 11108 98.5 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
+02.1 107 60.26 2748 3353 63890 11143 98.6 1.131 ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 105 59.00 2815 3519 71378 10761 100.0 1.083 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 105 59.00 2521 2823 48554 10591 91.9 1.276

 

[yeayow]

Cartridge : .300 Rem SA Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54618
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.825 inch or 71.76 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Accurate XMR 3100

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.426% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-04.3 106 56.49 2435 2633 44792 9740 97.6 1.365
-03.8 106 56.74 2447 2658 45472 9777 97.8 1.356
-03.4 107 56.99 2458 2684 46165 9814 97.9 1.346
-03.0 107 57.24 2470 2710 46869 9849 98.0 1.337
-02.6 108 57.49 2482 2736 47584 9884 98.2 1.327
-02.1 108 57.74 2494 2762 48312 9918 98.3 1.318
-01.7 109 58.00 2506 2788 49053 9952 98.4 1.309
-01.3 109 58.25 2517 2814 49805 9984 98.6 1.300
-00.9 110 58.50 2529 2841 50571 10016 98.7 1.290
-00.4 110 58.75 2541 2867 51350 10046 98.8 1.281
+00.0 111 59.00 2553 2894 52142 10076 98.9 1.272
+00.4 111 59.25 2564 2921 52948 10105 99.0 1.263
+00.9 111 59.50 2576 2947 53767 10133 99.1 1.255
+01.3 112 59.75 2588 2974 54601 10161 99.2 1.246
+01.7 112 60.00 2600 3002 55450 10187 99.3 1.237 ! Near Maximum !
+02.1 113 60.26 2612 3029 56313 10213 99.4 1.228 ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 59.00 2683 3196 64435 9716 100.0 1.165 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 59.00 2370 2495 40484 9840 92.8 1.417

 

[yeayow]

Cartridge : .300 Rem SA Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54618
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.825 inch or 71.76 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.426% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-04.3 100 54.57 2525 2831 50659 10098 95.4 1.255
-03.8 100 54.82 2536 2857 51357 10144 95.5 1.247
-03.4 100 55.06 2548 2883 52075 10190 95.7 1.239
-03.0 101 55.30 2559 2909 52799 10235 95.9 1.231
-02.6 101 55.54 2571 2935 53536 10280 96.1 1.223
-02.1 102 55.79 2582 2961 54281 10324 96.2 1.216
-01.7 102 56.03 2594 2987 55038 10367 96.4 1.208
-01.3 103 56.27 2605 3014 55808 10410 96.5 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
-00.9 103 56.51 2617 3041 56589 10452 96.7 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
-00.4 104 56.76 2628 3067 57381 10494 96.8 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 57.00 2640 3094 58184 10535 97.0 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
+00.4 104 57.24 2651 3121 59003 10575 97.1 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
+00.9 105 57.49 2663 3148 59833 10615 97.3 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
+01.3 105 57.73 2674 3175 60669 10654 97.4 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
+01.7 106 57.97 2686 3203 61532 10693 97.5 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+02.1 106 58.21 2697 3230 62399 10731 97.7 1.142 ! Near Maximum !

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 57.00 2765 3395 69222 10486 99.8 1.096 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 57.00 2476 2723 48009 10084 90.3 1.283

 

[FOTIS]

Welcome to the forum bud! here is some more




Cartridge : .300 Rem SA Ultra Mag
Bullet : .308, 200, Nosler AccuBond 54618
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.825 inch or 71.76 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch or 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Ramshot Hunter 102.0 59.9 3.88 2752 99.9 64000 10893 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 101.6 57.5 3.73 2751 100.0 64000 10711 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 104.1 58.9 3.81 2748 100.0 64000 10101 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 96.3 57.9 3.75 2747 99.6 64000 10895 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 105.0 62.3 4.04 2741 99.0 57142 11818 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 93.9 56.1 3.63 2741 100.0 64000 10239 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 104.2 56.8 3.68 2737 99.8 64000 10664 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 98.6 57.3 3.71 2732 100.0 64000 10548 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 101.5 57.1 3.70 2731 100.0 64000 10406 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 101.5 57.1 3.70 2731 100.0 64000 10403 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.0 59.4 3.85 2730 98.4 62372 11052 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 104.2 59.3 3.84 2727 98.5 64000 10882 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 100.9 59.3 3.84 2727 98.5 64000 10882 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 104.2 59.3 3.84 2727 98.5 64000 10882 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 93.8 56.9 3.68 2725 99.6 64000 10725 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 105.0 57.1 3.70 2722 100.0 63458 10353 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 59.7 3.87 2713 98.3 60938 11080 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 94.7 55.6 3.60 2710 100.0 64000 10018 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 94.8 55.7 3.61 2709 100.0 64000 10005 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 104.7 62.8 4.07 2706 98.5 64000 10608 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 61.3 3.98 2705 96.5 57545 11493 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 104.9 58.8 3.81 2696 97.6 64000 10574 1.138 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0701 101.0 56.8 3.68 2692 99.6 64000 10329 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 93.5 51.4 3.33 2692 100.0 64000 9404 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 92.3 52.5 3.40 2691 100.0 64000 9865 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 92.3 52.5 3.40 2691 100.0 64000 9865 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 92.3 52.5 3.40 2691 100.0 64000 9865 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 59.7 3.87 2687 98.1 59501 10937 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 92.7 52.7 3.42 2687 100.0 64000 9788 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 93.6 54.4 3.52 2687 100.0 64000 10024 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 90.3 54.7 3.55 2680 100.0 64000 9916 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 57.2 3.71 2680 100.0 61113 10117 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 87.2 54.1 3.51 2680 100.0 64000 9663 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 61.0 3.95 2678 95.4 54348 11715 1.209
Norma 203 old 94.0 54.0 3.50 2678 100.0 64000 9639 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 105.0 60.4 3.91 2674 98.9 60434 10599 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 94.3 52.7 3.42 2674 100.0 64000 9511 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 96.1 54.1 3.50 2673 100.0 64000 9554 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0651 99.7 55.5 3.60 2669 99.9 64000 9938 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 98.5 55.0 3.56 2669 99.3 64000 10133 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 96.2 53.6 3.47 2669 100.0 64000 9572 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 95.4 55.0 3.57 2669 99.3 64000 10126 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 84.8 51.9 3.36 2668 100.0 64000 9309 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 60.4 3.91 2667 96.0 56056 11278 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 90.1 52.9 3.43 2667 100.0 64000 9554 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 95.1 52.3 3.39 2658 100.0 64000 9535 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 94.8 52.3 3.39 2658 100.0 64000 9535 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 105.0 60.4 3.91 2657 97.3 53773 11357 1.219
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 60.4 3.91 2657 97.3 53773 11357 1.219
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 60.4 3.91 2657 97.3 53773 11357 1.219
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 60.4 3.91 2654 95.9 58834 10735 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 63.5 4.11 2653 93.4 53229 11670 1.224
Somchem S341 88.4 54.1 3.51 2652 100.0 64000 9307 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 86.8 51.5 3.34 2651 100.0 64000 9277 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 84.4 51.4 3.33 2650 100.0 64000 9256 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 95.6 51.4 3.33 2649 100.0 64000 9331 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 85.1 52.1 3.38 2648 100.0 64000 9299 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0621 93.3 51.6 3.35 2642 100.0 64000 9187 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 86.1 49.2 3.19 2642 100.0 64000 9157 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 89.1 52.2 3.38 2642 100.0 64000 9040 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 94.8 52.2 3.38 2640 100.0 64000 9014 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 91.6 48.7 3.15 2638 100.0 64000 8830 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 97.9 52.1 3.37 2635 100.0 64000 9024 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 86.7 50.4 3.26 2633 100.0 64000 9141 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 105.0 55.8 3.62 2630 100.0 58690 9458 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 101.4 54.4 3.53 2628 100.0 64000 9012 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 92.3 50.6 3.28 2626 100.0 64000 9027 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 92.1 53.0 3.43 2625 100.0 64000 9031 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 82.8 50.5 3.27 2624 100.0 64000 8918 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 96.4 56.6 3.67 2624 99.1 64000 9552 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 97.7 53.4 3.46 2623 100.0 64000 8950 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 81.1 50.3 3.26 2623 100.0 64000 8873 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 80.8 49.1 3.18 2620 100.0 64000 8828 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 89.8 50.2 3.26 2620 100.0 64000 8848 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 80.7 49.2 3.19 2619 100.0 64000 8817 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 83.8 51.1 3.31 2616 100.0 64000 8829 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-S0601 90.2 49.9 3.23 2613 100.0 64000 8927 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 80.7 47.4 3.07 2608 100.0 64000 8596 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 85.9 47.4 3.07 2608 100.0 64000 8596 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 82.5 50.3 3.26 2607 100.0 64000 8704 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 91.0 48.9 3.17 2606 100.0 64000 8665 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0731 82.5 50.0 3.24 2605 100.0 64000 8733 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 79.2 48.2 3.12 2604 100.0 64000 8628 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 82.2 48.3 3.13 2602 100.0 64000 8700 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 89.6 50.4 3.27 2602 100.0 64000 8790 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0733 82.3 49.9 3.23 2600 100.0 64000 8652 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 88.5 47.8 3.10 2600 100.0 64000 8679 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 88.8 50.5 3.27 2598 100.0 64000 8762 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 87.5 49.0 3.18 2597 100.0 64000 8659 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 80.5 48.8 3.16 2596 100.0 64000 8638 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex-D0832 84.5 50.6 3.28 2594 100.0 64000 8350 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 105.0 59.3 3.84 2589 94.8 51951 10817 1.242
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 105.0 63.9 4.14 2586 94.8 49286 11329 1.257
Vihtavuori N135 97.6 50.3 3.26 2584 100.0 64000 8299 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 79.9 46.1 2.99 2584 100.0 64000 8433 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 85.9 49.8 3.23 2583 100.0 64000 8413 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 77.8 45.4 2.94 2582 100.0 64000 8290 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 105.0 59.1 3.83 2580 96.1 49174 11078 1.271
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 63.8 4.13 2578 94.8 48855 11281 1.262
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 63.8 4.13 2573 94.5 48580 11273 1.266
Somchem S335 90.1 50.1 3.25 2558 100.0 64000 8207 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 83.6 44.8 2.91 2555 100.0 64000 8098 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 85.0 46.8 3.03 2549 100.0 64000 8017 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 58.0 3.76 2542 94.2 51379 10311 1.247
IMR 7828 105.0 58.0 3.76 2540 93.8 47513 10858 1.281
Accurate 1680 71.2 43.6 2.82 2538 100.0 64000 7908 1.159 ! Near Maximum !

 

[300SaUltraMag]

If you know how to get water capacity of the fired and unprimed case it would probably get you much better results. the quickload water capacity of the 300 saum is 73.5 grains which is less than the listed capacity of the 7mm saum. i think this gives unusually high pressures for the calculated loads. Also oal that you'de like to load to if different than saami length would be helpful. I don't have version 3.4 yet so i can't help on rl-17. Since i just had rotator cuff surgery done i'll probably have many useless hours to kill so i'll be getting version 3.4. i don't want to give results since the 180 loads i ran for whomever asked for them were so far off of published max's that it seemed silly to even post them. I realize they are only estimates in the program but if they are that far off some thing in that caliber is probably off but i couldn't figure out what it was other than case capacity when looking at the design info. since its not a caliber i have i can't check the other dimensions. if you still want some info than let me know.

Great info... Thanks you very much yeayow and POP...

I tried to mesure the case capacity, but, I'm not sure how to take a good mesure... I tried it without primer, with a fired brass from my rifle, and I only get 72.5gr ??? You said 73.5 is already not much !!! ???

Btw, the data are very off... If I look at the Nosler Reloading guide #6, Max load for the 200gr AccuBond is 60.5 grain of IMR 4350... I found the best load for my rifle with this powder is 60gr... I have good result with Cartrige overall length of 2.825, but best result with 2.845, wich is the maximum for my magasine. And with 60gr, at 2.845, my velocity is 2815 FPS with a 22" barrel, wich is faster than the data in the book, and they tested it with a 24" barrel... ??? I don't understand... Max load in Quickload data posted here indicate only 56.8gr, wich is the minimum charge (56.5) in the book... :?: Anyway, the load is good for my rifle and I have absolutely no high pressure sign, even when I tried the max load in the book...

But this is embarrasing for the RL17 data... Where should I start ? I think 1 grain over the load in this data, about 57gr... ??? What do you think ?

I was hoping than these data will answer some question, but now I have more question... lol !

And sorry for my bad english guys, I speak french... Thanks again for your great help...

 

[300SaUltraMag]

I found something that could help... The SAAMI VERIFIED from AmmoGuide indicate 74gr of water case capacity...

 

[Richracer1]

300SaUltraMag, please remember that any reloading manual or software is just a guide an sometimes will differ greatly. That's why it's always stated to start low and work up. I either use Nosler's info from #6 and/or info from Hodgdon's reloading center (carefully if not with a Nosler bullet). Here's a link to Hodgdon's reloading center:
http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp

As for the velocity differences, I always start with a powder that gives the best velocity and then work it from their. Finally, I will not give up accuracy to gain more velocity.

 

[300SaUltraMag]

Finally, I found my load... The perfect load... 8)

http://www.noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/v ... highlight=

THANKS POP !!!

 

[FOTIS]

2 cool!!!!! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)