Range Day with the M70 Alaskan

SJB358

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Dec 24, 2006
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Well, I was finally able to get out to the range. What I didn't mention in my other post was the Talley's didn't show up till this afternoon, but I had a 20 MOA EGW rail and some Leupold QRW's laying around the house, so I mounted everything up and threw the 2-10 Minox on there and headed to the range..

First three shot group after boresighting the rifle. I was using some old loads I had made up for my other 338 Win Mag, 76.5 RL19, CCI250's and the 200 AB. That load shot really well in my old rifle.

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Top group is the first one. The first two were right on top of one another and the 3rd was out there. Same thing for the lower group. I am thinking it is barrel heat. I let the barrel cool 2 minutes between shots, but it has a very slender profile. I am thinking if I let it cool back to ambient temp, it would lay them in there. I am okay with it being a good 2 shot rifle as long as it is consistent..

Those did average right at 3000FPS outta the rifle though. I am thinking it would be a good backup load if I didn't do much more load development.

I then tried some 210's with 75.5 grains of RL19. They came out about 2975 avg, but nothing to write home about. Decent, but not great.

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I tried 76 and 76.5, but both of those opened up alot and weren't worth keeping. Thinking it likes something different than RL19 for the 210 PT's at least.

I then tried 72.5 grains of IMR4350. Speeds averaged right at 3090, but I slightly sticky extraction. Nothing super serious, but I think I could knock it back a grain and work it. It put the first two touching, and again, blew the 3rd out into left field.

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I am thinking I will load up some more and see where they get me. They look good and I just may have to shoot much slower..

I had some old loads with the 250 AB's and RL19. Those were nail drivers in the old 338, but this one didn't care for them all too much. I am pretty sure I could work with them, but that will be a little later I think.

They did come out at 2740.

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So overall, I am very happy. It does seem to really wanna shoot the 200 AB and the 210 PT, so I am going to load some more of those and try em.. Should have an elk load pretty quickly, if not already.

The rifle isn't too bad off the bench. It is actually a pretty light rifle/scope combo. I bet it doesn't go more than 8.5lbs and it shows on the bench..

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I am not the "know-it-all" guy, but your groups kinda look as though one shot out of each group is "out". Is the bedding as you would like it? Seventys usually don't have much problems that way. And the 210s are a fine choice.

By the way, nice rifle!


Jim
 
There is nothing wrong with a "two-shot" rifle. If you need more than that, you'll be very close in any case. I believe you are correct about the lighter weight bullets performing well in the rifle; and it would appear that you are correct about the whippy barrel. Still, it is surely putting the first two where they belong, and that has to be gratifying.
 
Jim/Mike, yeah the bedding is factory stock.. It fits tight, the barrel screw was torqued to 20 inch lb's.. I torqued the others to spec as well. I guess you could play with the barrel screw at varying degrees of TQ, but seeing as it is planting the 1st two pretty close and throwing the third, I am betting it would benefit from more cooling and probably a bedding job, BUT, I don't wanna molest the stock (I don't think)...

I will work a little more with it and see what I can do. Pretty sure IMR4350 will get another run. I did clean the barrel pretty decently when I came home. It did have alot of buildup in it. I knocked alot of copper out so we shall see on the next range outting.
 
Scotty,

Not too shabby for the first go.
You will be there soon.

JD338
 
Scotty you would kill elk all day long with those loads, I would in no way shape or form alter the rifle stock. On a side note I'll let you know if I ever get 3 shots off at an elk or need that many to get the job done. :grin:


Bill
 
OU812":14ju7ly3 said:
Scotty you would kill elk all day long with those loads, I would in no way shape or form alter the rifle stock. On a side note I'll let you know if I ever get 3 shots off at an elk or need that many to get the job done. :grin:


Bill

I am with you Bill. I have no plans to monkey with that stock. I would rather just order a McMillan or something like that before I maim the factory one. I do like the stock shape a whole lot. Really nice fitting and seems to mitigate recoil very nicely.

I will do a little more work with the 210's.. Jim is pushing me pretty hard, don't wanna let him down!
 
Bedding...

As of now it is a solid 1.5 MOA gun.... not a bad thing
 
SJB358":16ne0thi said:
OU812":16ne0thi said:
Scotty you would kill elk all day long with those loads, I would in no way shape or form alter the rifle stock. On a side note I'll let you know if I ever get 3 shots off at an elk or need that many to get the job done. :grin:


Bill

I am with you Bill. I have no plans to monkey with that stock. I would rather just order a McMillan or something like that before I maim the factory one. I do like the stock shape a whole lot. Really nice fitting and seems to mitigate recoil very nicely.

I will do a little more work with the 210's.. Jim is pushing me pretty hard, don't wanna let him down!

:mrgreen:

Scotty,

If you can, run a 210 gr PT through the jugs.

JD338
 
FOTIS":2ks80qel said:
Bedding...

As of now it is a solid 1.5 MOA gun.... not a bad thing

That is what I am thinking Fotis. I think with some more cooling between the 2nd and 3rd shots, I could pull it in. With this rifle, it doesn't really bother me since it is planting the first two so close to one another. For a hunting rifle, that is what counts.

Jim, yeah, the 210 is destined for some jugs. Just gotta work out the load.

Fotis, what is a good load that has worked for you with the 338 WM and 210 PT's and IMR4350. I am going to load up some more today, but I am just wondering what has worked for you in the past.
 
looks to be a fine example of a pre 64!!! gorgeous!!!!!

try tightening the front lug screw, then test the same loads as before.

hows the trigger?

Is it always the third shot that is out?
 
akhunter":2y35olpv said:
Is that a FN model 70 with 25" barrel?


It's a M70 from 59 I think.

I will Chet. It is always the 3rd shot.
 
Maybe it is just barrel heat. That never bothered me.
 
That looks like a great rifle. I like the way the older models look and feel. That's pretty serious elk medacine and plenty accurate for real hunting situations. I can understand not wanting to modify the origional stock if you can help it. IMR 4350 is my go to for the 338 Win. also. Very nice rig and as you said, lightweight.
 
FOTIS":2jjs5a5l said:
Maybe it is just barrel heat. That never bothered me.

Yeah, it is a big 2 and 1 deal going on. Let it cool back down and it goes right where it is supposed to. Should have some more results pretty quick.
 
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