Brand new 300 Win Mag Savage 111 Long Range Hunter with accuracy trigger, accuracy proprietary bedding, and accuracy built-in headspacing - shoots like a BB gun at 1/2 a mile. Tried three different 180 gr ammos. Nosler Custom with AccuBond, Federal Premium with Barnes TTSX BT, and Federal Blue Box.
I have already seen too much hype and not enough results on premium over the counter ammo. Now after being a bit involved on this rifle issue I would sure like some real professional experienced no hype no BS realistic thoughts on this concern\confusion\questionable reality.
CS at Savage disagrees. In my life I try to eliminate all possiblities before I start forking over a lot of money. Owner believes it will be a waste of money especially after listening to a gunsmith that identifies himself as a Master Gunsmith working exclusively on Savage Arms for the last 30 years. The Master Gunsmith believes it is a flawed rifle and the out of box rifle should shoot 1/2 groups at 100 yards with over the counter premium ammo and for about $300.00 he can fix it (fire lapping & other things) and even make it shoot .3 to .4 with over the counter premium ammo??
Being a reloader, here is my big question of the day:
I have broke down many over the counter factory ammo including the premium ammo from the big names. I am not impressed. Larger than average bullet runout numbers, case lengths not consistent, bullet weight not consistent, power not consistent, seating depth to ogive not consistent. The opposite of these very things are what makes accuracy at their very best.
But there is even other factors. Sure Savage built in a minimal headspace tolerance but that only accounts for the true headspace face of breech to where the case stops (for magnums and rimmed). There is still the factor that the new over the counter ammo is not fireformed to your chamber so your bullet alignment to bore can be off as well as irregular case expansion to shoulder affecting bullet start.
Also, we al know that bullet depth seating is a very big factor for getting those rounds within Sub MOA accuracy so I am a little confused that an over the counter rifle (Even the Great & Almighty Savage 111 Long Range Hunter) as an overall purchase should get such consistent tight groups (according to the Gunsmith) and that his special work can do even better with the original chamber and barrel (aside from Savage's 111 proprietary bedding and trigger)
Please tell me this is realistically and truly possible and his expectation of at least .5 groups for Savage default and gunsmith proven .3-.4" groups possible with over the counter premium ammo? I just hate to see someone loose a lot of money for unrealistic expectations.
Please plese no hype. Just realistic facts that are applicable to a large majority.
"I could be wrong" as Charles Barkleys says but ..
Thanks
338WinMag
I have already seen too much hype and not enough results on premium over the counter ammo. Now after being a bit involved on this rifle issue I would sure like some real professional experienced no hype no BS realistic thoughts on this concern\confusion\questionable reality.
CS at Savage disagrees. In my life I try to eliminate all possiblities before I start forking over a lot of money. Owner believes it will be a waste of money especially after listening to a gunsmith that identifies himself as a Master Gunsmith working exclusively on Savage Arms for the last 30 years. The Master Gunsmith believes it is a flawed rifle and the out of box rifle should shoot 1/2 groups at 100 yards with over the counter premium ammo and for about $300.00 he can fix it (fire lapping & other things) and even make it shoot .3 to .4 with over the counter premium ammo??
Being a reloader, here is my big question of the day:
I have broke down many over the counter factory ammo including the premium ammo from the big names. I am not impressed. Larger than average bullet runout numbers, case lengths not consistent, bullet weight not consistent, power not consistent, seating depth to ogive not consistent. The opposite of these very things are what makes accuracy at their very best.
But there is even other factors. Sure Savage built in a minimal headspace tolerance but that only accounts for the true headspace face of breech to where the case stops (for magnums and rimmed). There is still the factor that the new over the counter ammo is not fireformed to your chamber so your bullet alignment to bore can be off as well as irregular case expansion to shoulder affecting bullet start.
Also, we al know that bullet depth seating is a very big factor for getting those rounds within Sub MOA accuracy so I am a little confused that an over the counter rifle (Even the Great & Almighty Savage 111 Long Range Hunter) as an overall purchase should get such consistent tight groups (according to the Gunsmith) and that his special work can do even better with the original chamber and barrel (aside from Savage's 111 proprietary bedding and trigger)
Please tell me this is realistically and truly possible and his expectation of at least .5 groups for Savage default and gunsmith proven .3-.4" groups possible with over the counter premium ammo? I just hate to see someone loose a lot of money for unrealistic expectations.
Please plese no hype. Just realistic facts that are applicable to a large majority.
"I could be wrong" as Charles Barkleys says but ..
Thanks
338WinMag
