Temperature variations on powder performance ?????

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I keep reading about the effect of temperature variations on different powders but it is difficult to interpret just what the effect is and how much concern I should have with it. Examples:

Developing loads in summer in 90 to 95 degree South Carolina weather and hunting with them in the fall in 20 to 30 degree New Mexico mountain weather where shots may be out to 400 to 500 yards isn't good.... too much performance variations at long range beause of the temperature differences.

Some powders are much less temperature sensitive than others ... as Hodgen is the most temperature stable. Then, you hear that Hodgen powders are not near as consistent in performance from batch to batch as others because it has a coating on its powder granuless that isn't unformly applied and this variation creates uneven ignition rates which in turn creates excessive and unpredictible variations from one batch to the next.

Some other powders offer much more consistent batch to batch performance but more temperature sensitivity variations than Hodgen.
Is this true and if so is the difference enough to make other powders overall more desirable than Hodgen?

Early morning to mid afternoon temperatures sometimes vary by as much as 40 to 50 degrees here in SC. Is this enough to be concerned about when and if that 450 yard shot at the dreamed of monster comes along?

I would love to hear about the experiences and opinions of you good folks on this board who have had many more years experience following your interest in this type thing than I. Thanks. Al Crouch
 
A general rule of thumb is 2 fps/degree F. A temp change of 50* F would show 100 fps change velocity if it holds true. This, according to my RCBS program comes out something like this.
A 30 cal 165 gr Partition at 2900 fps, sighted at 200 yds will drop 44.3" at 500 yds. 2800 fps gives you a drop 48" all else equal. I doubt 4" of drop will cause a miss over these distances. Add 25 yards to the distance and the drop at 2900 fps becomes 51.4". or almost twice the change as loosing 100 fps. Your ability to accuratly judge distance is more important then the little velocity you MAY loose.
I`ve played with a chrono some in cold and hot temps. The variations in velocity from most of the powders I`ve used came when a load was shot in hot weather not cold. The velocity for example might drop 50 fps from 75* F to 20* F, but rise 50 fps when shot in 90* F weather. I shot R22 from a 6.5x55 useing a pressure trace and chrono in warm and cold temps last year and post the results at this site. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthread ... ost1460421

You will notice very little velocity variation. I have not done similar with Hodgdon powders, but from what I can tell they are more stable. I don`t see any more variation and normally less in the Hodgdon powders then any other brand I use. My personal preferance for most of my shooting is Hodgdon of various types just because of the consistant results I get. I don`t though ignore any brand due to worries about variation of my velocity, or cold weather performance.
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I have been hoarding five pounds of H-870. I was planing on using it with some Nosler 175 partitions for a future elk hunt with my 7mm Rem mag. I also found that I could easily get 3100 fps with a 160 gr AccuBond with 79.0 grs. But that was back during the late summer when the temperature was in the 80s. It was in the low forties this morning so I thought I'd see just how it would vary because it is one of the powders that is notorius for being hard to ignite when cold. I chrono some loads this morning and found that the 3100 fps of summer has turned into the 2950 fps of winter. I've found the same to be true of Reloder 22. I have found as much as a 100 fps variance from the 90s to the 40s. I fired off a few 160 accubonds loaded with 74 grs of H-1000 this morning also. They were 3050 fps during the summer and this morning they chrono'd at 3042 fps. Not much difference.

I've also found that its not just Hodgdon that varies from lot to lot. I've found a great deal of variance with Reloder 22. I went through several pounds a couple of years ago working up a 140 gr load. Different lots varied by as much at 75 fps average velocities.

My advice, if you're set on using one particular powder for a specific bullet, make sure you get enough of one lot to last a while. Otherwise you'll have to check your loads each time you open a new lot. Work up your loads during more temperate weather and check your velocities over a variety of temperatures throughout the year. Thats what I did today. I'd been waiting for a good cold morning, when I was off work, to get out and fire some off to check the velocity changes. I liked what I saw with the H-1000 but what happened with the H-870 really hurt my feelings. I was really set on using that powder. I guess its gonna be practice fodder now.
 
Ol' Joe & Bruce, THANKS very mech for the info. This is great info relating to my question .... BUT ... Ol' Joe I can't get your link to work. Would you please check it and repost it. I want to see the data it provides. THANKS. Al Crouch
 
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