unions, transparency and health care.

[old #7]

Goes to show that money buys everything. Aparently if you donate more than 20million to the democtatic canpain fund you get to run the country.
The union workers that have the so called cadilac health plan won't be getting taxed like the rest of the country. Obama made a deal with the union bosses and is now thinking of new taxes to make up for the deal he cut.
What happened to all of the campain promises of transparency and the debate being televised on C-span so we all could see every detail of the health bill.

This along with all of the other back door deals (Nebraska) really piss me off. This is the worst I have ever seen. This countrys current group of polititions are as corrupt as any other country. They are selling our future down the drain to pay for their re-election campains.
My blood is begining to boil. :evil:

 

[JD338]

I'm not surprised one bit. Its all about ensuring future votes.
That is why Barry gave majority ownership of GM to the UAW.

Pray that Scott Brown wins the Senate seat in MA, this will put the brakes on the Democrap run away train.

JD338

 

[DrMike]

Pray that Scott Brown wins the Senate seat in MA, this will put the brakes on the Democrap run away train.

Except for when Harry invokes the "nuclear option" to impose government health insurance on the nation.

 

[Charlie-NY]

We are getting what we (Americans) voted for - CHANGE. Not hard to understand why Obama has the lowest rating of any President with only 1 year of service to the country.

We can barely take 3 more days of Obamanomics but must survive through 3 more YEARS - How's that ever going to happen? We're in trouble!

For whatever it's worth, it would seem that 99% of union workers don't have "Cadallic" health plans which are defined as family medical plans costing $28,000/year. Additionally, the concession is for the first 5 years only. The whole proposal doesn't make any sense to me.

The national health care proposal should be put on the ballot for public approval/disapproval. After all that is what our elected "representatives" are supposed to do isn't it; represent us. IMO, Americans would never approve of this convoluted, politically generated plan.

 

[old #7]

Charlie,
He called it "fundamental change."
America has never seen Chicago politics until now and that is a fundamental change for the worst.
To give barry some credit he never said he was going to CHANGE the country for the better or the worst.
Obviously the majority of the country votes with there emotions instead of their researched conclusions.

 

[Charlie-NY]

To get back to the original post - could someone tell me what union workers have a Cadillac health plan? Union workers may have Chevy plans but only corporate fat-cats could have health plans that cost $24,000 - $28,000 per year.

In NY, where I live, a quality health plan covering your whole family costs about $15,000. There are many union workers in the north-east. I'm not aware of any workers, union or non-union, who has a health plan that would be affected by this latest twist in the national health care debate. They simply don't have these "golden umbrella" type heath care plans.

I'm always interested in learning something new. Could someone explain to me how this new 5 year exemption from the tax benefits any working guy, union or otherwise?

 

[old #7]

I believe if you have a $15 co-pay at the doctors office, $50 co-pay at the emergency room, $500 for hospital admitance, and your prescriptions are $10 or less you may have a "cadilac" health plan and the cost of the plan will be taxed as your income.
My wife doesn't have a "cadilac" plan. She pays a percentage of the cost of the doctors visit and has a 2000 deductable after that is paid the insurance company will pay 80%.
I agree with you that the senators have the true "cadilac" plan. What they did was to link the term "cadilac" with their plans. Now when you hear the term, you ignor it because you think they aren't talking about you. They effectively widened the definition of "cadilac" to include your plan.
They are going to tax you on the health benifit you recieve as income.
If your plan costs $15,000 a year you are going to pay taxes on that.
Is that a tax on the middle class?????????? :evil:
Grab your ankles and get a jar of vaseline ready because they are just about ready to ram it to you.

 

[Richracer1]

They'll probably tax you for using vaseline!!!!! :shock:

 

[Charlie-NY]

I believe if you have a $15 co-pay at the doctors office, $50 co-pay at the emergency room, $500 for hospital admitance, and your prescriptions are $10 or less you may have a "cadilac" health plan and the cost of the plan will be taxed as your income.
My wife doesn't have a "cadilac" plan. She pays a percentage of the cost of the doctors visit and has a 2000 deductable after that is paid the insurance company will pay 80%.
I agree with you that the senators have the true "cadilac" plan. What they did was to link the term "cadilac" with their plans. Now when you hear the term, you ignor it because you think they aren't talking about you. They effectively widened the definition of "cadilac" to include your plan.
They are going to tax you on the health benifit you recieve as income.
If your plan costs $15,000 a year you are going to pay taxes on that.
Is that a tax on the middle class?????????? :evil:
Grab your ankles and get a jar of vaseline ready because they are just about ready to ram it to you.

I wouldn't be very thrilled if I had a "Cadillac" plan because the intention isn't to tax you as income. The proposal is to tax the plan at 40%!! A tax of 40% will undoubtedly cause anyone who has such a plan to opt for a lesser plan that keeps them under the wire. You know - maybe a nice Accura plan. :grin:

 

[baltz526]

A single person with a plan that costs over $8500 per year is a cadilac plan. From the numbers i have read. Look at it this way, the older you get the higher the cost of your plan gets. Once you reach the last 10 years of your working life, your healthcare plan will be taxed at 40%. Of course you will never be able to afford the plan, unless it was untaxed. Therefore no one will have cadilac plans, everyone will be on a goverment plan.

 

[old #7]

So what your saying is the good old government who is always looking out for our best intrests :roll: is going to tax our good health plans so hard that we will opt for the less expensive government run program. That way we will become more dependant on the government.

 

[old #7]

OOHHH forgot to say GO Brown. I hope he wins. :twisted:

 

[JD338]

So what your saying is the good old government who is always looking out for our best intrests :roll: is going to tax our good health plans so hard that we will opt for the less expensive government run program. That way we will become more dependant on the government.

Look at it this way, return on investment from the Gov't perspective.
We are a source of revenue for the Gov't and they want to keep us healthy to keep the revenue stream. When we reach a certain age,we become less valuable and the Gov't wont want to "invest" money into us.

If someone is 40 yrs old and get very sick, Gov't will want us better because they have 25 years of revenue potential. If someone gets very sick at 60-65 yrs, they will die because they are at the end of their revenue stream.

This administration scares the hell out of me!

JD338

 

[DrMike]

This administration scares the hell out of me!

And it should frighten every thinking individual. The fact that a majority voted for it says that thinking individuals are in a minority at the moment.

 

[old #7]

Good point JD.
I am very nervous also.
I own a small contracting business and I feel like I'm staring down a double barreled shotgun filled with taxes and buckshot.

 

[JD338]

Good point JD.
I am very nervous also.
I own a small contracting business and I feel like I'm staring down a double barreled shotgun filled with taxes and buckshot.

and its a magnum load of taxes......

JD338

 

[RiverRider]

So what your saying is the good old government who is always looking out for our best intrests :roll: is going to tax our good health plans so hard that we will opt for the less expensive government run program. That way we will become more dependant on the government.

Look at it this way, return on investment from the Gov't perspective.
We are a source of revenue for the Gov't and they want to keep us healthy to keep the revenue stream. When we reach a certain age,we become less valuable and the Gov't wont want to "invest" money into us.

If someone is 40 yrs old and get very sick, Gov't will want us better because they have 25 years of revenue potential. If someone gets very sick at 60-65 yrs, they will die because they are at the end of their revenue stream.

This administration scares the hell out of me!

JD338

Not only that, but consider this: what better way to take the pressure off Social Security than to let retirees and those nearing retirement just die?

This whole thing is about saving the *Q#$(*^#@)_# unions and giving bureaucrats unlimited power. It is NOTHING LASS THAN THE DEATH OF LIBERTY. Write it down.

 

[Guest]

I said this after the election in Massachusetts, and I still believe it's true:

The American people are waking up after a night of exuberance, and frantically searching for advil and gatorade.

Of course, it all hinges on how the next 8mo are framed. If we allow the media and the White House to frame the discussion, we're screwed. If we come out and speak the simple truth to the American people, and bring good candidates to the races, I think the conservative movement has a good chance of repeating the wins of 1980 and 1994. It's going to take some hard work, but then again, it's the hard that makes it good. If it was easy, everybody would be doing it.

 

[nomosendero]

The Demons have it!!

 

[DrMike]

And now the national nightmare begins. Our grandchildren will never know the freedom we have known as they are wrapped in chains forged by their grandparents.