Is there a way to do a reloading guide based on calibers similar to reloaders nest? I think it would be a good idea to share reloading info without a sometimes painful search. I'm sure there is enough reloading knowledge here to make a pretty extensive list of calibers and loads. I can contribute to the wildcat calibers pretty heavily. :mrgreen:
What about a reloading guide similar to reloaders nest?
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elkeater2
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I'm not sure about it. I go to several sites including the one listed, and it appears there is not enough control or verification going on. There are loads listed with no velocities, minimal recipe data, the opinion of the poster on "max" or "mild". I have asked for specific loads on forums and gotten good information from people who have proven their skill and thoroughness.
What I would prefer seeing is a forum search tool with some pre-built filters for caliber and bullet, maybe powder -- but then I read the posts myself and do the mental filtering on who the author was, etc. I have whined before about our Nosler search tool not liking number strings like "7mm-08" or ".300 Winchester". I actually can Google our forum and pull in data sets which meet my query better than 'Search' on here does.
It's been fun and enlightening to chase load data on the web - but one thing remains true: they are all just references, giving us an idea of where to start and where people have ended up. For example, I'm looking for .300 Bee loads for the Berger 210 gr. VLD. I learned that H1000, Retumbo, H4831SC, IMR7828, and RL25 are preferred powders. I learned that COL is all over the map, depending on Bee freebore. Finally, I learned that others have had loads with decent accuracy approaching 3000 fps, along with good case life and zero pressure problems. That then is the goal, and the development is up to me.
One of the puzzling questions for new handloaders is "If the all the ammunition manufacturers can sell ammo that performs well in many rifles, why can't we just have loads that duplicate what they do? Why do I have to start low and work up? That seems like a waste of components?" Well, not all factory ammo works well in all rifles. Nor does it always display low pressure - remember their case only has to hold the pressure once in theory. Handloading gives us the opportunity to make ammo tailored to our own firearms and most of us enjoy the process. I do pay extra attention to they guy who says his load has worked well in several different rifles because I know those loads are out there. I would actually like to see a "Loads that have worked in six+ different rifles" list. That could prove interesting.
So, I disagree on the need for another set of load data that can't easily be maintained or verified. I think there's enough out there already.
Elkeater2
What I would prefer seeing is a forum search tool with some pre-built filters for caliber and bullet, maybe powder -- but then I read the posts myself and do the mental filtering on who the author was, etc. I have whined before about our Nosler search tool not liking number strings like "7mm-08" or ".300 Winchester". I actually can Google our forum and pull in data sets which meet my query better than 'Search' on here does.
It's been fun and enlightening to chase load data on the web - but one thing remains true: they are all just references, giving us an idea of where to start and where people have ended up. For example, I'm looking for .300 Bee loads for the Berger 210 gr. VLD. I learned that H1000, Retumbo, H4831SC, IMR7828, and RL25 are preferred powders. I learned that COL is all over the map, depending on Bee freebore. Finally, I learned that others have had loads with decent accuracy approaching 3000 fps, along with good case life and zero pressure problems. That then is the goal, and the development is up to me.
One of the puzzling questions for new handloaders is "If the all the ammunition manufacturers can sell ammo that performs well in many rifles, why can't we just have loads that duplicate what they do? Why do I have to start low and work up? That seems like a waste of components?" Well, not all factory ammo works well in all rifles. Nor does it always display low pressure - remember their case only has to hold the pressure once in theory. Handloading gives us the opportunity to make ammo tailored to our own firearms and most of us enjoy the process. I do pay extra attention to they guy who says his load has worked well in several different rifles because I know those loads are out there. I would actually like to see a "Loads that have worked in six+ different rifles" list. That could prove interesting.
So, I disagree on the need for another set of load data that can't easily be maintained or verified. I think there's enough out there already.
Elkeater2
RiverRider
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I think it could work if the forum was to allow members to have a section in their profiles where they list their load data. The usual disclaimers could apply---let's say you have to click an acknowledgement of disclaimer to see the member's load data. This way the forum is covered, and if you don't think too highly of another member's expertise you don't have to look at his or her data.
It would be an easy way to share and might cut down on some redundant questions.
It would be an easy way to share and might cut down on some redundant questions.
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My only concern is liability. If we were to put a disclaimer across the top, we might be ok.
I will run it past Nosler and see what we can do.
JD338
I will run it past Nosler and see what we can do.
JD338
nvbroncrider
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Thanks Jim!
That would be a great idea. Be nice for comparison and to get an idea of what your dealing with. There are some cartridges that have little or no data for them avalible. It would be nice to have a better idea sometimes what your jumping into. I know for a fact that I have a couple of those rifles!!
That would be a great idea. Be nice for comparison and to get an idea of what your dealing with. There are some cartridges that have little or no data for them avalible. It would be nice to have a better idea sometimes what your jumping into. I know for a fact that I have a couple of those rifles!!
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I ran it by Nosler and they say no due to liability.
JD338
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Hi Guys, I was a supervising adjuster for a number of years and dealt with some large liability claims. Disclaimers are nice, but they do not stop actions and the cost of defending them.
I am not sure if any lawyers are members here but if there are maybe we could get an opinion from one of them.
Blessings,
Dan
I am not sure if any lawyers are members here but if there are maybe we could get an opinion from one of them.
Blessings,
Dan
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I can only see a plethora of problems arising from this database.
As stated we are people and to err is human. Has happened to all of us so we're better off without it.
As stated we are people and to err is human. Has happened to all of us so we're better off without it.
RiverRider
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I know of three or four sites where data can be posted for others' use, and quite frankly I've always wondered how they've managed to remain on line.
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It was just a idea. It's always cool to see what cartridges are capable of, especially the odd ball stuff.
I've built so many different guns that I didn't keep data for but something like this would be cool to store the data. Before computers it was all on paper and even now computers crash and people lose that info.
I've built so many different guns that I didn't keep data for but something like this would be cool to store the data. Before computers it was all on paper and even now computers crash and people lose that info.
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Nosler is ok if we want to post load data. As soon as we have a dedicated spot on the forum to do this, the liability issue takes control. I do agree with Nosler on their decision and mentioned it up front before I ran it past them.
Sorry fellas.
JD338
Sorry fellas.
JD338
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IdahoCTD":x2m4uq1f said:
You are spot on buddy.
We will just keep doing what we have been doing and thank you to the fellas with Quick Load.
JD338
elkeater2
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Not sure what will happen on our site. As I alluded to earlier, I have difficulty with our search tool.
Here is an example string that can be entered in Google (or maybe other search apps) which pulls nearly all the quickload posts made on noslerreloading.com:
site:noslerreloading.com noslerreloading.com quickload maximum and minimum
some of the returns indicate the caliber and possibly the bullet, depending on how the post was written, others don't.
You can experiment with adding more criteria to the above string, but you need to make a stab at whether the post refers to "7WSM" or "7mm WSM" , etc.
No guarantees, just one of the ways I chase data
EE2
Here is an example string that can be entered in Google (or maybe other search apps) which pulls nearly all the quickload posts made on noslerreloading.com:
site:noslerreloading.com noslerreloading.com quickload maximum and minimum
some of the returns indicate the caliber and possibly the bullet, depending on how the post was written, others don't.
You can experiment with adding more criteria to the above string, but you need to make a stab at whether the post refers to "7WSM" or "7mm WSM" , etc.
No guarantees, just one of the ways I chase data
EE2
