Hey Pop, Quick load Please

7.62 x 39mm
125gr NBT
16" bbl :grin:

Cartridge : 7.62 x 39 (.308) Russ.
Bullet : .308, 125, Nosler BalTip 30125
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.190 inch or 55.63 mm
Barrel Length : 16.0 inch or 406.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.

Matching Maximum Pressure: 48000 psi, or 330 MPa

or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %

These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

66 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.

Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 104.0 28.0 1.82 2396 95.4 48000 6932 0.885 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 104.1 25.6 1.66 2362 99.1 48000 6383 0.896 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200 101.0 27.4 1.78 2362 96.6 48000 6671 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1/NP ~approximation 101.0 27.4 1.78 2362 96.6 48000 6671 0.913 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 105.0 28.5 1.85 2326 90.5 47230 6628 0.898 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder- 7 97.5 24.8 1.60 2326 99.7 48000 6138 0.931 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 105.0 29.5 1.91 2320 89.0 46733 6658 0.906 ! Near Maximum !
SF-033 fl 105.0 28.2 1.83 2320 97.1 41769 6714 0.940
SNPE Vectan SP 10 105.0 29.5 1.91 2320 88.9 46620 6663 0.907 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 105.0 30.1 1.95 2308 88.5 46549 6634 0.907 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4227 97.1 23.3 1.51 2301 98.8 48000 5874 0.898 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N120 105.0 25.2 1.63 2299 99.5 45696 5910 0.917 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 105.0 28.5 1.85 2288 89.7 44409 6533 0.927 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 1680 90.4 25.5 1.65 2284 92.8 48000 6113 0.907 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 101.8 27.2 1.76 2277 88.4 48000 6192 0.908 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4227 95.6 23.0 1.49 2275 98.1 48000 5755 0.903 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 105.0 28.5 1.85 2275 86.7 47752 6252 0.910 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 105.0 24.7 1.60 2272 95.8 44837 6056 0.919 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 102.5 28.7 1.86 2268 86.8 48000 6188 0.912 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 105.0 27.0 1.75 2261 94.1 45977 6055 0.927 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198 102.2 25.2 1.63 2253 90.9 48000 5868 0.908 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N110 91.8 20.4 1.32 2247 100.0 48000 5035 0.919 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 105.0 26.0 1.69 2242 93.3 40283 6377 0.969
Somchem S265 92.9 22.4 1.45 2225 99.7 48000 5290 0.929 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 105.0 29.6 1.92 2211 84.4 42144 6162 0.958
SNPE Vectan Sp 7 105.0 29.6 1.92 2201 83.9 39951 6300 0.980
Hodgdon H322 105.0 26.8 1.73 2172 86.8 38421 6139 0.984
Accurate 2015 105.0 26.7 1.73 2170 90.7 37284 6104 1.007
Alliant Reloder-12 105.0 28.1 1.82 2164 87.3 39223 6003 0.981
Winchester 748 105.0 29.7 1.92 2164 80.9 38932 6233 0.984
Somchem S321 105.0 29.7 1.92 2162 81.4 38662 6178 0.990
Accurate 2460 105.0 29.6 1.92 2162 83.0 38374 6121 0.999
Vihtavuori N130 105.0 25.8 1.67 2157 92.2 38789 5811 0.993
Vihtavuori N530 105.0 27.7 1.80 2146 81.0 38466 6007 0.991
Ramshot TAC 105.0 28.9 1.87 2141 80.6 38137 6034 0.996
Hodgdon Benchmark 105.0 27.2 1.76 2127 83.1 39630 5729 0.992
PB Clermont PCL 507 105.0 28.8 1.86 2123 79.9 37256 5969 1.006
Norma 201 105.0 28.2 1.83 2104 80.2 36132 5939 1.031
ADI AR 2206H 105.0 27.6 1.79 2084 79.7 39417 5435 0.999
Hodgdon BL-C2 105.0 30.1 1.95 2076 76.9 34477 5990 1.037
ADI AR 2206 105.0 27.3 1.77 2064 79.3 37788 5413 1.017
Rottweil R901 105.0 26.2 1.70 2062 83.1 33421 5862 1.080
Norma 202 105.0 27.1 1.76 2039 81.5 31840 5763 1.069
Somchem S341 105.0 29.7 1.92 2036 74.7 35286 5499 1.037
Somchem S335 105.0 27.0 1.75 2035 84.7 33247 5529 1.066
SNPE Vectan SP 9 105.0 28.5 1.85 2021 74.5 33372 5549 1.057
Vihtavuori N133 105.0 25.2 1.64 2016 86.7 32365 5344 1.067
PB Clermont PCL 516 105.0 29.4 1.90 1991 70.3 33401 5355 1.062
Accurate 2520 105.0 28.4 1.84 1991 77.5 29462 5717 1.101
Vihtavuori N540 105.0 27.9 1.81 1983 79.4 30187 5573 1.097
IMR 3031 105.0 25.8 1.67 1983 80.5 28645 5737 1.110
IMR 4895 105.0 26.7 1.73 1959 72.3 31274 5203 1.085
Rottweil R902 105.0 26.6 1.72 1949 75.8 29286 5342 1.124
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 105.0 27.6 1.79 1946 70.7 29222 5379 1.113
Alliant Reloder-15 105.0 27.6 1.79 1946 70.7 29222 5379 1.113
Raufoss RA11 105.0 27.6 1.79 1946 70.7 29222 5379 1.113
Norma 203B 105.0 27.6 1.79 1934 71.1 28570 5367 1.122
Hodgdon H4895 105.0 26.7 1.73 1921 74.9 29134 5137 1.118
ADI AR 2208 105.0 26.8 1.73 1921 71.0 30087 5038 1.108
IMR 4320 105.0 27.1 1.76 1915 69.9 30156 5007 1.106
Hodgdon VARGET 105.0 26.7 1.73 1913 70.8 29782 5010 1.113
Accurate 2495 105.0 26.1 1.69 1907 80.2 23249 5778 1.229
Hodgdon H414 105.0 29.4 1.90 1898 63.9 29017 5102 1.124
IMR 4064 105.0 26.1 1.69 1884 70.4 28234 4909 1.136
Hodgdon H380 105.0 28.2 1.83 1876 66.5 27460 5043 1.147
SNPE Vectan SP 11 105.0 28.5 1.85 1871 66.8 27680 5036 1.145
Norma 203 old 105.0 27.9 1.81 1844 68.9 24775 5150 1.186
IMR 4007 SSC 105.0 28.0 1.81 1833 62.5 27827 4642 1.155
Somchem S355 105.0 27.0 1.75 1832 68.8 24773 4973 1.191
Vihtavuori N140 105.0 26.5 1.72 1828 71.1 26129 4717 1.175
Vihtavuori N135 105.0 25.0 1.62 1821 77.4 23541 4963 1.212
Ramshot BigGame 105.0 27.6 1.79 1807 64.6 25234 4763 1.189
Winchester 760 105.0 29.2 1.89 1789 57.4 26192 4561 1.180
Accurate 2700 105.0 28.5 1.85 1786 61.8 27569 4296 1.171
Rottweil R907 105.0 27.1 1.75 1765 60.4 25157 4396 1.204

Thanks Pop.
It looks like H335 will be the winner!

I shoot 125gr BTs in my customized Ruger Mini-30. In fact I took a rather small eight pointer this year at 158 yards with the 125 BT. The little guy ran about 30 feet and piled up. Couldn't be happier with the performance of the BT at these slower velocities.

I have tried just about every powder you can think of the the 7.62x39. From the very fact Blue Dot to the very slow 4895. It has been my experience that the slower powders like 335 work best with the heavier bullets and the faster powders like 1680 and R-7 work best with the 123-125 gainers.

My hunting load is 26.5gr of 1680 behind 125gr Nosler BT @ 2480fps or 27.5gr of N-130 behind 135gr Sierra SSP @ 2360fps. If you are looking for speed I would check out 1680, R-7 and H 4198 before I would mess with 335.

Just my opinion.

Oh, and here is a picture of the little guy.

Thanks Steve.
Having never loaded for the 7.62x39, I really appreciate the experience of someone who has. I will certainly give some faster powders a try.

Hey POP, I don't have any 1680 in the cabinet, but I see on your little cheat sheet that H110, and W296 have similar burnrates. Can you force quickload to give us some results for these two powders??

H-110 and W296 are pretty fast for the 7.62x39. If you are loading for a semi-auto they may not cycle the action.

Load data from Guns and Ammo mag.

Bullet 90gr Hornady FMJ
Powder H 110 Start 19.0gr Max 22.5gr
Velocity 2860fps


Bullet, Speer 130gr HP
Powder W 296 Start 14gr Max 18gr
Velocity 2200fps

Quickload:
Cartridge : 7.62 x 39 (M43) Russ.
Bullet : .308, 125, Nosler BalTip 30125
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.190 inch or 55.63 mm
Barrel Length : 16.0 inch or 406.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H110

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 63 17.60 1821 920 24327 4519 93.8 1.218
-18.0 65 18.04 1861 961 25714 4642 94.6 1.191
-16.0 66 18.48 1901 1003 27173 4762 95.4 1.165
-14.0 68 18.92 1940 1045 28706 4877 96.2 1.139
-12.0 69 19.36 1979 1088 30317 4988 96.8 1.114
-10.0 71 19.80 2018 1131 32009 5094 97.4 1.090
-08.0 72 20.24 2057 1174 33787 5195 98.0 1.067
-06.0 74 20.68 2095 1219 35654 5291 98.5 1.044
-04.0 76 21.12 2133 1263 37616 5381 98.9 1.022
-02.0 77 21.56 2171 1308 39676 5466 99.2 0.997
+00.0 79 22.00 2208 1353 41840 5545 99.5 0.973
+02.0 80 22.44 2245 1399 44113 5618 99.7 0.950 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 82 22.88 2281 1445 46502 5684 99.9 0.928 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 83 23.32 2318 1491 49014 5744 100.0 0.907 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 85 23.76 2353 1537 51654 5798 100.0 0.886 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 87 24.20 2389 1584 54430 5848 100.0 0.867 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 79 22.00 2292 1458 49216 5351 100.0 0.908 ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 79 22.00 2090 1212 34634 5515 95.5 1.057




Cartridge : 7.62 x 39 (M43) Russ.
Bullet : .308, 125, Nosler BalTip 30125
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.190 inch or 55.63 mm
Barrel Length : 16.0 inch or 406.4 mm
Powder : Winchester 296

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 63 17.60 1863 963 24780 4839 91.1 1.223
-18.0 64 18.04 1905 1007 26208 4980 92.1 1.192
-16.0 66 18.48 1947 1052 27712 5118 93.0 1.163
-14.0 68 18.92 1988 1097 29294 5252 93.9 1.134
-12.0 69 19.36 2030 1144 30958 5381 94.8 1.106
-10.0 71 19.80 2071 1190 32709 5506 95.5 1.080
-08.0 72 20.24 2112 1238 34550 5627 96.2 1.054
-06.0 74 20.68 2153 1286 36485 5742 96.9 1.029
-04.0 75 21.12 2193 1335 38520 5851 97.5 1.004
-02.0 77 21.56 2233 1384 40659 5955 98.0 0.979
+00.0 79 22.00 2273 1434 42909 6053 98.5 0.955
+02.0 80 22.44 2312 1484 45273 6144 98.9 0.932 ! Near Maximum !
+04.0 82 22.88 2351 1534 47760 6230 99.2 0.910 ! Near Maximum !
+06.0 83 23.32 2390 1586 50376 6308 99.5 0.889 ! Near Maximum !
+08.0 85 23.76 2428 1637 53129 6379 99.7 0.868 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 86 24.20 2467 1689 56025 6444 99.9 0.848 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 79 22.00 2371 1560 50865 5895 100.0 0.888 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 79 22.00 2139 1270 35205 5926 93.1 1.042

That program work with wildcatting POP?

Dave

Absolutely.....I just never got into it that yet.........

http://www.neconos.com/details3.htm

Thanks POP!

Dave

just joined today and found this forum through a round about way, and found this topic through search, thanks a million guys! great stuff!

Surveillancemike,

Welcome to the forum. Hopefully, we'll see you posting more shortly. Give us a heads up of what you're shooting and what you enjoy hunting.