150 BT vs. the "Shoulder Joint"

NYDAN

Handloader
Sep 17, 2013
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I had the good fortune to shoot a very nice 9 point (eastern count) whitetail buck last Saturday. It was the ultimate test for a cup and core bullet. The deer I shot was probably 3-1/2 years old and good sized. I could barely drag/move it to better position it to field dress it.

The shot I had was a hard quartering toward me shot at about 150 yards. The muzzle velocity of my hand load was averaging 2900 fps 12 feet from the muzzle. The deer was slightly down hill from me.

Because of the angle I figured a hold directly on the shoulder would put the bullet through the center of the chest cavity of the deer. I held right on the shoulder and squeezed the trigger. The buck made a three legged dash for the woods and went down after about 50 yards.

When I walked up to the buck I could see a bulge under the skin on the far side. I felt the bulge and figured it was the bullet. When I field dressed the deer I found the lungs were just soup. Nothing else was damaged. When I skinned the deer I found:

- A jagged 1" by 1-1/2" hole into the front of the rib cage (about three ribs in) on the entrance side.
- Remnants of the bullet were under the far side skin. ( about three ribs from the back.)
- There were bone fragments sticking out of the shoulder muscles of the shoulder that the bullet hit.

Here is a photo of the bullet remnants:

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I gave that entrance side of the deer to a less affluent family with the understanding that they would tell me what they saw when they butchered the deer and opened up the shoulder. They reported back that both the shoulder ball and the shoulder socket were completely disintegrated. However, there wasn't much blood shot meat.

Apparently the bullet shattered the shoulder ball and the shoulder socket and then bone and bullet shrapnel destroyed the lungs with fragments of the bullet penetrating the far rib cage but not the skin.

Over the years I have done a lot of bullet penetration and bullet expansion tests. One example of my testing is shown below: viewtopic.php?f=48&t=32493.

To be honest, I was surprised that the 150 grain BT did not exit. However, it did get through the shoulder joint and did destroy the lungs. Notice the severe bleeding from the mouth.

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My conclusions from this deer are:

- The .277" 150 grain BT did just what it was supposed to do. It penetrated the shoulder joint and destroyed the vital organs in the chest cavity. It quickly killed the deer.

- A Nosler AB or a Nosler Partition would probably have exited, although it wasn't necessary to kill the deer.

- A 150 gr. BT would probably have exited had it hit anything other than the shoulder ball and shoulder socket.

- For this hit, I was happy I had a 150 grain BT rather than a 130 gr. BT or a 140 gr. BT.

All in all, I will continue to use the 150 gr. BT for whitetail hunting. For bigger game I would switch up to an AB or Partition bullet.

Dan
 

Guy Miner

Master Loader
Apr 6, 2006
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Great report Dan, thank you!

Congratulations on the buck, nice one! (y)

I imagine he didn't travel far after being hit?

Guy
 

Charlie-NY

Handloader
Mar 11, 2005
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For that particular shot I would have preferred a more stout bullet and you never know what shot presentation you'll get. That's why I have been leaning towards the AccuBond for "most" of my hunting ammo.

Last week I pole axed an 8 pt buck at 150 yds as he walked directly towards me. I was shooting a 308win but was field testing the Barnes 130 TTSX bullet. I'm not sure how a BT would have worked on a frontal shot but the TTSX literally crumpled him. Fastest drop I've ever seen.
 

gerry

Ammo Smith
Mar 1, 2007
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Guy Miner":zs0nta6i said:
Great report Dan, thank you!

Congratulations on the buck, nice one! (y)

I imagine he didn't travel far after being hit?

Guy

x2

Good to hear a report on this bullet it's one of my favourites in the 270 Win, I run it at the same speed as you do. Nice buck.
 

Billyram

Beginner
Oct 9, 2016
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Nice buck! I've killed around 100 deer with BTs of different weights and calibers and never had one not penetrate enough to do the job. I've killed quite a few with partitions and now have killed a few with ABs but not enough to tell if they are the thing for deer. I'm using the .308 150gr AB @ 3000 fps and it seems to kill deer about as quickly as BTs and exit like partitions. My rifle shoots The ABs a bit more accurately than partitions.
Billy
 

DrMike

Ballistician
Nov 8, 2006
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For sure, a comprehensive report that should give some confidence in that particular bullet. I'm sure the family that received the meat appreciated the consideration.
 

tddeangelo

Handloader
May 18, 2011
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Great info...I've got a good load in my 270 for both the 150BT and the 150PT. I won't pull down the 30 or so BT-loaded rounds I have. I'll zero on that load again and hunt with it, just cuz.
 

JD338

Range Officer
Staff member
Nov 4, 2004
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Dan,

Congratulations on a dandy buck.
Way to go buddy, he is a brute.

JD338
 

Cleveland48

Handloader
Jul 28, 2015
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The ballistic tip to me is one of the best Whitetail bullets made, and the 270 is probably my favorite caliber although I have not owned one in several years. I have shot several deer with the 6.5 mm 120 ballistic tip, and have never recovered one. They were all lung shots though, instead of the shoulder. Great buck by the way and thanks for sharing the bullet performance!


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NYDAN

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Sep 17, 2013
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Guy Miner":238hznzd said:
I imagine he didn't travel far after being hit? Guy

Guy, He went down before I could cycle the bolt and see him in the scope again. He covered about 50 yds. No tracking required. Blood was everywhere where he went down.

Dan
 

NYDAN

Handloader
Sep 17, 2013
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Charlie-NY":29hlxrq9 said:
For that particular shot I would have preferred a more stout bullet and you never know what shot presentation you'll get. I'm not sure how a BT would have worked on a frontal shot.

Charlie, I shot two "full frontal" deer with a .260 Rem. chambered Rem XP100R pistol with a 14" barrel. I used .264" 120 gr. BT's on both. I have no idea what the velocity was but my actually trajectories were not as flat as book values for factory loads.

The first one was a doe at about 50 yards. The bullet hit a little off center taking out about 4 ribs on one side, so I only had damage to one lung. The deer dropped within sight. The bullet was somewhere in the entrails. I didn't try to dig it out.

The second one was a 2-1/2 year old eight point buck at about 200 yds. The bullet entered at the base of the neck and hit the back bone where it dips down between the front shoulders. He dropped in his tracks. The spine was completely destroyed. I don't remember what happened to the bullet.

I would not hesitate to take a full frontal shot on a deer with a BT bullet (assuming an appropriate bullet weight for deer hunting).

Dan
 

Guy Miner

Master Loader
Apr 6, 2006
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Re the Ballistic Tips - they've really become my favorite deer bullet.

Accurate. Fast expanding. But... They usually penetrate well too.

Normally I use the 115 gr BT's from my 25-06, but last year went with the 30-06 and 165's. Was so confident in my 165 gr 30-06 ammo that I used it on not only mule deer & pronghorn, but also on black bear and elk. The 165 B-Tip did real well on all four of those animals.

This fall, I only hunted mule deer, and with the 115 Ballistic Tip. Again - no problem at all. Very fast kill.

Guy
 

SJB358

Ballistician
Dec 24, 2006
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Great performance. It’s a good danged bullet for deer and honestly it’d cream an elk as well. Can’t argue with that sort of performance at at.

Great NY buck as well Dan! Congrats to you on him.
 
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