wisconsinteacher
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With a 1:10 twist what bullet range do you feel that you can shoot?
25-06?
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Ridgerunner665
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Its been a long time since I shot a 25-06 (1987...maybe 88 )...but 87-120 grains worked then.
The old Remington 122 grain Extended Range loads weren't very accurate...not sure it was a stability issue though, I think the rifle just didn't like them.
I used factory Hornady ammo in that rifle...117 BTSP bullets.
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The old Remington 122 grain Extended Range loads weren't very accurate...not sure it was a stability issue though, I think the rifle just didn't like them.
I used factory Hornady ammo in that rifle...117 BTSP bullets.
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Guy Miner
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I've only used 100 - 120's from mine. All were accurate.
wildgene
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...I've shot everything from 75-120gr. in mine w/ no problem...
remingtonman_25_06
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Ive shot everything from 75 vmax to 110 AB, 115 NBT, 115 VLD, and 125g ULD wildcats.
1/4-3/4 MOA from everything out of the win model 70 classic sporter.
1/4-3/4 MOA from everything out of the win model 70 classic sporter.
Every bullet made by a major manufacturer will run just fine in a 1-10" .25-06. There's a reason you don't find .25 cal bullets with a BC higher than about .425-.450.... unless you go to a custom manufacturer like Graves Wildcats.
I'm of the firm opinion that the 115 NBT is the best all-around bullet on the market for the .25-06.... but the 100 grainer is no slouch either. If elk are on the menu... Substitute 100 grain TTSX, or 115 Partition.
I love the .25-06.... it holds a place atop my hunting heart.... but I'll never buy another one. The .243 with a 105 Amax at 3k will outpace the .25-06 with a 115 by 300 yards, and run away from there.... for about 15-25 % less powder.
I'm of the firm opinion that the 115 NBT is the best all-around bullet on the market for the .25-06.... but the 100 grainer is no slouch either. If elk are on the menu... Substitute 100 grain TTSX, or 115 Partition.
I love the .25-06.... it holds a place atop my hunting heart.... but I'll never buy another one. The .243 with a 105 Amax at 3k will outpace the .25-06 with a 115 by 300 yards, and run away from there.... for about 15-25 % less powder.
RiverRider
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Some of us don't think choosing a hunting bullet based on BC is such a good idea.
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wildgene":1gew1nsr said:
YUP!
RiverRider
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That's cute. I see proponents of using inferior bullets resorting to insults frequently but usually not right away.
RiverRider
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Songdog, youve arguex tbis before and all we accomplished was lots of dust in the air. I don't think we should do the same thing again.
What you say about the .243 compared to the .25-06 is true and I'd take that to heart if I was going to shoot long range, but it IS only relevant if you are willing to shoot high BC bullets. The fact of the matter is that bullets like the A-Max and the Bergers give up the advantages afforded by bullets like the Partition. Within what I would call traditional ranges, the .25-06 is going to deliver a bigger payload at higher velocity than the .243 will because it's simply more cartridge. The high BC 6mm bullet offers no advantage within traditional hunting ranges, and in fact gives up advantages.
So let's say you're willing to shoot something not as tough and let's agree that it will do the job as long as it's delivered on target. And lets say you're accomplished enough to hit your target that's waaaay out there. I can see the fun of having a rifle that will shoot 1000 yards and I see no harm in shooting coyotes with it. Shooting prairie dogs with it would be a hoot---and a challenge---of gargantuan proportions. The bullet is asked to do little except hit the target. That's fine and dandy, but now you're toting a rifle around that weighs what, about 14 pounds? Heavier? I think it's safe to say that it probably doesn't weigh 8-1/12 pounds scoped and loaded.
You're welcome to your perspective and preferences, but I think there are some basic philosophical differences between long rangers and us who prefer more traditional hunting practices and I think it would be nice if you could recognize that. We all have our own unique take on all this.
Let there be peace and harmony in the universe. If we can't have that, then how about just here in these forums...
What you say about the .243 compared to the .25-06 is true and I'd take that to heart if I was going to shoot long range, but it IS only relevant if you are willing to shoot high BC bullets. The fact of the matter is that bullets like the A-Max and the Bergers give up the advantages afforded by bullets like the Partition. Within what I would call traditional ranges, the .25-06 is going to deliver a bigger payload at higher velocity than the .243 will because it's simply more cartridge. The high BC 6mm bullet offers no advantage within traditional hunting ranges, and in fact gives up advantages.
So let's say you're willing to shoot something not as tough and let's agree that it will do the job as long as it's delivered on target. And lets say you're accomplished enough to hit your target that's waaaay out there. I can see the fun of having a rifle that will shoot 1000 yards and I see no harm in shooting coyotes with it. Shooting prairie dogs with it would be a hoot---and a challenge---of gargantuan proportions. The bullet is asked to do little except hit the target. That's fine and dandy, but now you're toting a rifle around that weighs what, about 14 pounds? Heavier? I think it's safe to say that it probably doesn't weigh 8-1/12 pounds scoped and loaded.
You're welcome to your perspective and preferences, but I think there are some basic philosophical differences between long rangers and us who prefer more traditional hunting practices and I think it would be nice if you could recognize that. We all have our own unique take on all this.
Let there be peace and harmony in the universe. If we can't have that, then how about just here in these forums...
I'm not arguing... just posting a picture of facts. I'm just simply stating my take on the two. Furthermore, bullet selection should be a secondary choice to shot selection. I don't shoot at running stuff.... ever. I take shots at stationary critters where I can be more selective about where that bullet goes. A guy that hunts in PA, and bangs rounds at running deer inside 75 yards has different requirements of a pill... they should shoot a Partition.
I've killed more stuff with 100 NBTs out of the .25-06 than all other rounds combined... but I recognize inefficiency when I see it... that's all. I've seen absolutely no difference in the .243/105 combo when it comes to turfing critters near and far... but I see a big difference in shoot ability and extended range accuracy... advantage .243.
Furthermore.... the 95 NBT at 3000-3100 is an absolute madman out of the .243, and kills wY out of proportion for its size. Compare that if you wish.... but it's pretty close to the .25-06.... for 20% less boom.
Let's just keep in mind that Hornady called the Amax an excellent bullet for thin skinned game, quite similar to Nosler's description of the NBT. I've never seen one do anything on game, that I'd not expect out of the other. If you've not shot one into fur... then you're just guessing... I'm not guessing on the .243/105, 6.5/123, 7mm/162, or the .30/208...
I've killed more stuff with 100 NBTs out of the .25-06 than all other rounds combined... but I recognize inefficiency when I see it... that's all. I've seen absolutely no difference in the .243/105 combo when it comes to turfing critters near and far... but I see a big difference in shoot ability and extended range accuracy... advantage .243.
Furthermore.... the 95 NBT at 3000-3100 is an absolute madman out of the .243, and kills wY out of proportion for its size. Compare that if you wish.... but it's pretty close to the .25-06.... for 20% less boom.
Let's just keep in mind that Hornady called the Amax an excellent bullet for thin skinned game, quite similar to Nosler's description of the NBT. I've never seen one do anything on game, that I'd not expect out of the other. If you've not shot one into fur... then you're just guessing... I'm not guessing on the .243/105, 6.5/123, 7mm/162, or the .30/208...
RiverRider
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I'll agree with you that shot selection can definitely be dictated by bullet choice.
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I would like to see a 257 117 LRAB though
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my 257 is begging for one
ElmerThud
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I used .243W for 20 years and shot many many deer of both sexes and all six species in the UK using the 95gn BT including some big red stags. Shot placement with it was everything but I never generated more than 2950fps with the 20" barrel on my steyr mannlicher rifle.
Changing to .25-06 ten years ago, using the 100gn Sierra with 22" barrel, the difference in speed of kills was spectacular to say the least. The sudden up-grade to 3300fps & attributable downrange energy uplift ensures very fast kills.
I now use the 110gn AB for additional downrange energy at ranges in excess of 250yds & out to 350yds when I have to take hinds at that range.
My .243 is now a 'foxing' rifle & the .25-06 is my go to rifle& I wouldn't have it any other way.
ATB ET
Changing to .25-06 ten years ago, using the 100gn Sierra with 22" barrel, the difference in speed of kills was spectacular to say the least. The sudden up-grade to 3300fps & attributable downrange energy uplift ensures very fast kills.
I now use the 110gn AB for additional downrange energy at ranges in excess of 250yds & out to 350yds when I have to take hinds at that range.
My .243 is now a 'foxing' rifle & the .25-06 is my go to rifle& I wouldn't have it any other way.
ATB ET
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