264 120 gr E-tip

[FOTIS]

Not a huge fan due to pressures in some cartridges I used them in the past.
Due to "Backorder city" everywhere, I ordered what I could 120 BT and 120 Etips.

Anyone played with these before? Not listed in Q/L either.

 

[Alderman]

I've shot the BTs in my 264 with some success on paper. My go to load for the light game has been either the 120 grain Sierra or 125 grain Partition.
Curious how the E-tips work for you.
Limited experience with them in my 280 showed promise.

 

[SJB358]

I've got them in my version. What powder?

 

[FOTIS]

My go to load with my 264 win mag sendero was 120 NBT 67.5/IMR7828 3360 .5" at 100 yards. Took a few antelope with them worked fine.

Never used the e-tips though.

 

[gerry]

I don't know if anyone has used the 120 gr E Tip yet, the first few seem to be just showing up now. I have 3 boxes of them on order......... should be a great bullet especially for a 264 WM or 26 Nosler.

 

[FOTIS]

Hope so.... Accuracy is my worry. They can be finicky.

 

[JD338]

Fotis,

Load the e tip .100" off the lands.
The 140 gr BT would make for an excellent antelope bullet.

JD338

 

[gerry]

I think that is part of the reason they now sport a cannelure to help with accuracy. I bet once you find the depth they like you'll have a great load, probably could get 3300-3400 fps with that 26" barrel. I'm going to try them in my wife's 6.5x55 and my 260 Rem, deer to moose with that bullet.....

 

[FOTIS]

Jim only found 120 BT's and they work like dynamite on antelope.

 

[1100 Remington Man]

If you get the Nosler 120gr BT you will have. Flat shooting rifle, I sight mine in for 300 yds & till it's beyond 390 yds it's just point and shoot. Just FYI my smallest group with Nosler 120 BT & IMR 4350 is .593 inch. but I shot 3 groups of .010 off lands was group sizes of .835 .798 .939. .030 Off lands 1.22 .707 1.2 &. .060 Off lands .593 1.857 .985 . I also have good luck with Noslers 120grBT making my longest shot to date on Antelope at a little over 500 yds & had complete pass through. .264 Win Mag Nosler Brass,CCI 250 Primer, Nosler 120gr BT, IMR 4350 60.2 gr. MAX LOAD in my rifle work up from below. 300 yds groups average 2.43 inches,

 

[FOTIS]

Your velocity?

 

[SJB358]

I spoke out of turn about the ET in QL.. Sorry brother. Apologize for that. Could have sworn I'd saw it.

It doesn't seem like it would be too much though, using the 120 BT and coming up on it a little.

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 120, NOS BalTip 26120
Useable Case Capaci: 76.906 grain H2O = 4.993 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-25

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 56.80 2740 2000 31924 11633 97.2 1.599
-18.0 83 58.22 2808 2101 34161 11925 98.1 1.558
-16.0 85 59.64 2877 2205 36557 12189 98.9 1.517
-14.0 87 61.06 2944 2310 39124 12422 99.4 1.471
-12.0 89 62.48 3012 2417 41879 12623 99.8 1.425
-10.0 91 63.90 3078 2525 44833 12789 100.0 1.380
-08.0 93 65.32 3144 2634 48005 12923 100.0 1.337
-06.0 95 66.74 3209 2743 51413 13050 100.0 1.296
-04.0 97 68.16 3272 2853 55074 13174 100.0 1.256
-02.0 99 69.58 3336 2965 58992 13293 100.0 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 71.00 3398 3077 63159 13409 100.0 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 103 72.42 3460 3189 67612 13520 100.0 1.146 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 73.84 3521 3303 72375 13628 100.0 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 107 75.26 3582 3418 77473 13731 100.0 1.080 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 109 76.68 3642 3535 82934 13830 100.0 1.049 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 111 78.10 3702 3652 88791 13923 100.0 1.018 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 71.00 3519 3300 76920 12974 100.0 1.091 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 71.00 3212 2749 50033 13962 99.6 1.304


Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 120, NOS BalTip 26120
Useable Case Capaci: 76.906 grain H2O = 4.993 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : IMR 7828 SSC

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 75 54.80 2718 1968 32298 11367 91.4 1.581
-18.0 77 56.17 2787 2069 34516 11731 92.7 1.541
-16.0 79 57.54 2856 2173 36886 12078 94.0 1.501
-14.0 81 58.91 2925 2280 39420 12408 95.1 1.455
-12.0 83 60.28 2995 2389 42131 12720 96.1 1.409
-10.0 85 61.65 3064 2501 45029 13010 97.0 1.366
-08.0 87 63.02 3132 2615 48137 13278 97.8 1.324
-06.0 88 64.39 3201 2730 51465 13522 98.5 1.283
-04.0 90 65.76 3269 2848 55031 13740 99.1 1.244
-02.0 92 67.13 3337 2967 58840 13931 99.5 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 94 68.50 3404 3088 62888 14094 99.8 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 96 69.87 3471 3211 67214 14227 100.0 1.136 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 98 71.24 3537 3334 71841 14329 100.0 1.103 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 100 72.61 3603 3459 76795 14417 100.0 1.070 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 102 73.98 3668 3584 82105 14500 100.0 1.039 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 103 75.35 3732 3711 87801 14579 100.0 1.009 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 94 68.50 3549 3357 75625 13574 100.0 1.082 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 94 68.50 3195 2720 50666 13980 95.5 1.287


Good luck and post up what you get. I would bet it would take a heckuva animal to hold onto a 120 ET.. Good cartridge to get one moving out to have good bullet action though..

 

[JD338]

Fotis,

Let me know what you want and I try to find it for you.

JD338

 

[FOTIS]

I will try these first and we will see

 

[rmarshall]

What about the other solid copper or gilding metal bullets, barnes and hornady. just had the thought, maybe they are to different to even use as a reference.

 

[FOTIS]

The TSX TTSX and the GMX all have grooves which lower pressures due to minimal bearing surface. The e-tips do not.

 

[gerry]

The E Tips now sport a single cannelure I believe they changed that last year or maybe 2012.

 

[FOTIS]

I can not see one "groove" making a huge difference. We will see.

 

[gerry]

Perhaps, but it can't hurt :lol:

 

[FOTIS]

For sure! Some LRAB would be nice.