30-06 ?

[Jager1]

I have a question that I was hopeing someone could help me with? I just loaded some rounds for my 30-06 using IMR 4350 and 150gr. AB's my starting weight of 57gr. grouped about an inch and my max load of 59gr. went into a straight vertical grouping I really would like to get all velocity I can out this 150gr. Setup. Does anyone have an idea of where I would be sitting as far as velocity goes with 57gr. Charge? Or does anyone else have any other powder suggestions for 150 gr. bullets?

Later, Jager1

 

[DrMike]

No one can say with precision where your velocity is, as your rifle is unique (a system unto itself). Nevertheless, QL projects that at 57 grains of IMR4350 with a 150 grain AB, maximum velocity in a 22 inch barrel is 2793 fps. Velocity at 59.0 grains suggests 2894 fps. There are a number of other powders you might consider.

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 52500 psi, or 361 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 100 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

6 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Elcho 17 98.9 58.6 3.80 2955 99.2 52500 10924 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 98.9 58.6 3.80 2955 99.2 52500 10924 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 100.0 60.2 3.90 2895 95.6 52101 10690 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 97.8 58.4 3.79 2894 94.7 52500 10632 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 97.8 58.4 3.79 2894 94.7 52500 10632 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 100.0 57.7 3.74 2893 97.4 52500 10570 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 95.4 54.5 3.53 2860 99.3 52500 9946 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 95.4 54.5 3.53 2860 99.3 52500 9946 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 97.5 54.5 3.53 2853 99.2 52500 9858 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 97.2 53.7 3.48 2844 99.0 52500 9793 1.099 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 94.5 54.6 3.53 2843 97.1 52500 10008 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 95.1 52.5 3.40 2841 100.0 52500 9401 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 90.3 52.6 3.41 2840 100.0 52500 9404 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100.0 56.5 3.66 2805 96.5 47267 10295 1.149
Norma URP 100.0 55.9 3.62 2805 96.4 47337 10204 1.131
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 100.0 55.9 3.62 2804 96.4 47290 10198 1.132
Lovex S065 100.0 55.3 3.58 2804 96.0 51813 9740 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 99.0 54.9 3.56 2801 93.8 52500 9730 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 99.0 54.9 3.56 2801 93.8 52500 9730 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 95.9 54.9 3.56 2801 93.8 52500 9723 1.096 ! Near Maximum !

If velocity is your primary consideration, RL17, H414/W760 or H380 might be powders worthy of consideration with the 150 grain AB.

 

[rick smith]

I would switch to either IMR-4064 or 4895 with the 150gr bullets.While IMR-4350 is a great powder for the 06, you can't get enough in the case for max velocity. Check the Hodgdon site for max charge weights with the 150gr bullet. I use 165-168gr bullets in all my 06s and my charge varies from 58.5-58.8grs of IMR-4350 with a 165gr bullet. You should try varying your seating depth if you stay with your current charges of IMR-4350.Rick.

 

[Elkman]

Already been said 4895 or 4064. 53 gr of 4064 used to give me great groups. I would approach that charge carefully

 

[joelkdouglas]

My rifle likes 59.1 grains of IMR4350 with 155 Custom Competitions. Sorry to hear yours doesn't like it.

I haven't tried 150 ABs with IMR4350--let us know what you figure out!

Ramshot Big Game is a powder that will give you good velocities with 150/155s.

 

[338 Ultra]

I have a question that I was hopeing someone could help me with? I just loaded some rounds for my 30-06 using IMR 4350 and 150gr. AB's my starting weight of 57gr. grouped about an inch and my max load of 59gr. went into a straight vertical grouping I really would like to get all velocity I can out this 150gr. Setup. Does anyone have an idea of where I would be sitting as far as velocity goes with 57gr. Charge? Or does anyone else have any other powder suggestions for 150 gr. bullets?

Later, Jager1

Went through the same thing with a couple of 30-06's over the years with Imr and H 4350. What worked for me was switching to H-414 or W760( same powder mfg in USA) Was getting close to 3000 fps in one rifle and 3020 in another both had 24" tubes. If you want speed those are the kings in 06 with 150 grain bullets.
Loads in win brass with win primers, start at 55 grains and work up 57 grains is an accuracy node and should get you 2800 to 2900 with a 22" barrel work up 1/2 grain at a time from there till you either find the speed and accuracy, or your rifle's max and then back down your charge at least one half a grain but better one full grain from max then start working on oal to tune the load for accuracy. If you are wanting an AccuBond load then do your work up with the cheaper ballistic tips to find the sweet spot. Then you can back down a couple of grains and work back up with the AccuBond till you find that happy place again. I have done this in a few calibers now and it has save me some bucks on bullets and has allowed me to get dialed in faster when switching to accubonds for my hunting loads.

With anything your mileage may vary but taking your time being smart and keeping written notes will get you to where you want to be pretty quick.

 

[Jager1]

Thanks to all of you for the helpful suggestions! I have some 4064 & RL17 on hand that I'll have to give a try!

Thanks again, Jager1

 

[hunting1]

Don't overlook Varget as well if you can find it!

 

[1Shot]

51.2 grs IMR 4064 with 150 gr bullet has been very accurate in about every 30-06 bolt rifle I have ever tried it in. It will average between 2900 and 3000 fps. This is the old suggested accuracy load from a Sierra manual.

 

[DrMike]

I should imagine that IMR 4064 would be an excellent powder for that bullet weight; I do not doubt that the Sierra suggestion is correct. QL projects good velocities with current production lots of the powder.

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : IMR 4064

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 42.40 2363 1860 31749 7790 91.5 1.360
-18.0 81 43.46 2418 1947 33748 8020 92.6 1.328
-16.0 83 44.52 2473 2037 35867 8243 93.6 1.299
-14.0 85 45.58 2527 2128 38111 8459 94.6 1.262
-12.0 87 46.64 2582 2220 40488 8665 95.4 1.227
-10.0 89 47.70 2636 2315 43007 8863 96.2 1.193
-08.0 91 48.76 2690 2411 45676 9050 96.9 1.160
-06.0 93 49.82 2744 2509 48505 9227 97.6 1.128
-04.0 95 50.88 2798 2608 51504 9393 98.2 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 51.94 2851 2708 54685 9547 98.7 1.068 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 53.00 2904 2810 58060 9688 99.1 1.039 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 101 54.06 2957 2913 61644 9817 99.4 1.012 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 103 55.12 3010 3017 65452 9931 99.7 0.986 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 105 56.18 3062 3122 69500 10032 99.9 0.960 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 107 57.24 3113 3229 73808 10118 100.0 0.935 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 109 58.30 3165 3336 78397 10188 100.0 0.911 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:

You will get a slight increase in velocity with other powders, but it may degrade accuracy. For the record, here are projections for H414 and RL17 with the 150 grain AB.

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H414

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 48.40 2371 1872 29900 8397 84.1 1.383
-18.0 83 49.61 2433 1971 31962 8698 85.6 1.345
-16.0 85 50.82 2495 2074 34197 8993 87.1 1.309
-14.0 87 52.03 2558 2179 36584 9280 88.5 1.273
-12.0 89 53.24 2621 2288 39148 9560 89.8 1.234
-10.0 91 54.45 2685 2400 41903 9830 91.1 1.195
-08.0 93 55.66 2748 2516 44866 10089 92.3 1.158
-06.0 95 56.87 2812 2634 48056 10336 93.4 1.122
-04.0 97 58.08 2876 2755 51496 10569 94.4 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 99 59.29 2940 2879 55206 10789 95.4 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 101 60.50 3004 3006 59217 10993 96.3 1.021 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 103 61.71 3069 3136 63554 11179 97.1 0.990 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 105 62.92 3133 3269 68221 11348 97.8 0.960 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 107 64.13 3197 3405 73258 11498 98.4 0.930 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 109 65.34 3261 3543 78715 11627 98.9 0.902 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 111 66.55 3326 3684 84637 11735 99.3 0.875 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 101 60.50 3164 3334 71747 10972 99.7 0.943 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 101 60.50 2797 2606 47737 10442 88.7 1.123

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Useable Case Capaci: 61.286 grain H2O = 3.979 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 82 48.40 2415 1943 29666 8930 90.6 1.375
-18.0 84 49.61 2479 2047 31717 9230 92.1 1.338
-16.0 86 50.82 2543 2154 33917 9517 93.4 1.301
-14.0 88 52.03 2607 2264 36279 9788 94.7 1.265
-12.0 90 53.24 2672 2377 38814 10043 95.8 1.227
-10.0 92 54.45 2736 2494 41538 10279 96.8 1.187
-08.0 94 55.66 2801 2612 44469 10495 97.7 1.150
-06.0 96 56.87 2865 2734 47625 10689 98.4 1.114
-04.0 98 58.08 2929 2858 51026 10860 99.0 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 59.29 2993 2984 54700 11007 99.5 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 60.50 3056 3112 58668 11127 99.8 1.013 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 61.71 3120 3241 62963 11221 100.0 0.982 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 62.92 3182 3373 67618 11287 100.0 0.951 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 64.13 3244 3506 72673 11343 100.0 0.922 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 65.34 3306 3640 78172 11393 100.0 0.894 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 66.55 3367 3776 84167 11440 100.0 0.867 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 60.50 3197 3404 71581 10648 100.0 0.935 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 60.50 2851 2707 47513 11026 94.9 1.115

Realistically, the differences in energy and MPBR with these powders over IMR 4064 is negligible.

 

[Jager1]

Ok here's what I got for a grouping with a 52.5gr charge of varget and 150gr TTSX
I was thinking of playing with seating depth now to try and shrink it down as small as possible. All the groups were about the same size no matter what charge weight was. Any thoughts out there?

Jager1

 

[Elkman]

When I hunted with an 06 (me and Jim Bridger), I found 52 gr. of IMR-4064, with 150'gr PT was deadly on deer, and deer sized game. I used the 180 PT with military surplus powder for elk.

 

[Elkman]

Jäger 1

I think you are on the right track. One of my favorite articles regarding load development suggests that the two biggest components that effect accuracy, are the case and the bullet. Just food for thought.

 

[Jager1]

When I hunted with an 06 (me and Jim Bridger), I found 52 gr. of IMR-4064, with 150'gr PT was deadly on deer, and deer sized game. I used the 180 PT with military surplus powder for elk.

Elkman,
Thanks for the fuel and thanks for the laugh! I really liked the me and Jim Bridger quote. Made me laugh after a long day!

Jager1

 

[Sas874runner]

I like rl19 and 22 with 165 ab's out of my 22" remington. With 19 I'm sitting at 2830 fps with 60 grains. Rl22 I'm loading 62.5 gr. And pushing a 165 at 3013 average. But loads have provided me with well under moa groups at 100 yrds. 19- .503, 22 - .655

 

[Oldtrader3]

IMR 4895 was developed for the military to use in the M1, .30-06 with 152 grain bullets. Some powder around that burning rate (RL17, 4064?) should put you where you want to be.

 

[filmjunkie4ever]

While I only get around 2900 or so from a 24" barrel, 52 grains of IMR 4064 in W-W cases, it is very accurate. Have used this with both 150 ABs and Sierra Gamekings.

 

[CatskillCrawler]

While I only get around 2900 or so from a 24" barrel, 52 grains of IMR 4064 in W-W cases, it is very accurate. Have used this with both 150 ABs and Sierra Gamekings.

Nothing wrong with that load whatsoever. Too many try to do too much concerning velocity when they have solid, accurate loads in the books already.

 

[FOTIS]

While I only get around 2900 or so from a 24" barrel, 52 grains of IMR 4064 in W-W cases, it is very accurate. Have used this with both 150 ABs and Sierra Gamekings.

That is indeed a classic load for the 30-306 in 150 gr flavor.

 

[Capt Craig]

I have a question. Picking up my new to me mod 70 ss fwt 30-06 tomorrow and was planning to try some 150 ttsx with h4350 or imr4350 which I have some of both with we cases. This thread has been very informative and I'm thinking of trying the ttsx with w760 instead based on some of the recommendations above. What primers do you all suggest with the 760? I have both fed 210m and 215m primers. With past 30-06 rifles I've always used 165 or 180 gr bullets, but I thought I would run some 150s in this one to see what it does. If the 760 doesn't work I also have a decent supply of

H and imr 4350
RL 17
RL 22
Varget

And about 500 165 gr hornady interlocks and a bunch of 165 accubonds and the original sciroccos.

Something is bound to work : )

Craig