30/30 bullets in 30/06 loads

[JLC0311]

I've seen a number of articles in the past about shorter range 30/06 loads using 30/30 type bullets.

One of the places I hunt is public land in East Texas, Davy Crockett National Forest. It can get really thick there. You can be 10 feet off of a forest service road and not know it is there until someone happens to drive past. Needless to say when you get back in it to where the deer are and the other hunters aren't 50 yards could be considered extreme range.

What I've been thinking about is working up a load for my Win 1895 using something like the 150 gr BST or Sierra 170 gr FP. Another that is tempting would be the Sierra 125 gr HP/FP. Not really thinking reducing velocities, would really like the velocities around the 30/06 starting loads for the weights. Even with one hit solidly and gushing it can take 30 mins to follow a 30 yard trail in daylight.

Anyone try anything along these lines before? What end result? Ideas?

Thanks,
Jimmy

 

[PJGunner]

Many long years ago when I lived in California, I used to hunt the extreme northwest corner of the state which is very thick jungle like rain forest. A 25 yard shot was a long one and if you shot a deer and it ran off any distance, it was lost. I used 170 gr. 30-30 bullets loaded to about 2400/2450 FPS estimated, no chronographs back in the late 1950's/60's and they did serious smackdown. You might lose a shoulder and then some but in that country it was better to lose part of the deer to bullet damage than lose the whole animal. The rifle I used was a bubba'd 1903 Springfield with the barrel lopped off at 18" IIRC on the barrel length. Right handy in those thick places. :lol: 8) I never did try the 150 gr. bullets as I felt they might be too destructive. My hunting buddy and I always tried for the shoulder and lung shot still let them run off. We were lucky to find them when they did as blood trails don't last long in that country.
Thinking back, the last hunt I did up there was Labor Day 1961, just before I left to do my time in the Air Force. I got two deer and my buddy got one. he ended up with most of that meat as I couldn't take it with me. :lol:
Paul B.

 

[SJB358]

Jimmy, I would look at the 170 Nosler for the 30-06 and maybe something in the 2500 range. Low recoil and if you get a hard shot at a deer I would trust it more with increased speeds than most 30-30 bullets. Not saying a 30-30 bullet wouldn't be excellent, but I would be a little fearful of a close encounter and having a bullet come apart. Another great option would be the 170 grain Speer Deep Curl. It seems like a really GREAT bullet and is very accurate in my 30-30 at 2300FPS.

I would probably go heavier if I were hunting closer ranges, as light for caliber bullets just might come apart at even moderate 30-06 speed as they were made for slower 30-30 speeds.

Here are some 30-30 bullets I pulled from the jugs at 2300. They look great to me, but again, they were shot at 30-30 speeds, not sure how any would fair, but the PT at 30-06 speeds

170 grain Sierra

Then again, your deer aren't super thick, so maybe I am just overly cautious.. Good luck, sounds like a fun loading project.

 

[dlove]

hornady has data for their #3035 150gr round nose and the 06. I would think any bullet that expands rapidly would be fine at close range. my son hunts with a 7-08 and 120gr BT at around 3kfps. he killed 3 whitetails last year all inside 60 yards. all 3 were instant kills that never took a step after the shot.

 

[JLC0311]

Thanks for the input Paull, it is good to have a starting point and to know I wasn't having too crazy of an idea. Sounds like that place in California is about as thick.

Scotty, I was leaning more towards the 170s myself. Like powders we seem to use different bullets too. I don't have to much experience with Speers outside of factory 357 Sig loads. Looks like I'll be doing some testing with the PT and the Sierra ProHunter. Accuracy wise as long as it will hold 1.5 at 50 I'm good with it as that is all I need it to do. Velocities I'd like to keep in the mid 2500s to possibly low 2600s. As far as data what I was thinking is I know you can workup 168s with 165 data, so the Hodgdon 168 data would be a good starting point for the 170s. What do you think?

 

[SJB358]

Thanks for the input Paull, it is good to have a starting point and to know I wasn't having too crazy of an idea. Sounds like that place in California is about as thick.

Scotty, I was leaning more towards the 170s myself. Like powders we seem to use different bullets too. I don't have to much experience with Speers outside of factory 357 Sig loads. Looks like I'll be doing some testing with the PT and the Sierra ProHunter. Accuracy wise as long as it will hold 1.5 at 50 I'm good with it as that is all I need it to do. Velocities I'd like to keep in the mid 2500s to possibly low 2600s. As far as data what I was thinking is I know you can workup 168s with 165 data, so the Hodgdon 168 data would be a good starting point for the 170s. What do you think?

Yeah, I would probably use 165 or 168 data as well Jimmy. I don't see you pushing it super hard.

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 64.736 grain H2O = 4.203 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 51397 psi, or 354 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

156 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 104.4 65.0 4.21 2818 96.3 51398 12309 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.8 64.5 4.18 2790 92.1 51398 12140 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 106.2 64.0 4.15 2784 94.7 51398 11905 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 106.2 64.0 4.15 2784 94.7 51398 11905 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 106.2 64.0 4.15 2784 94.7 51398 11905 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 109.0 64.3 4.17 2782 94.5 51398 11899 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 100.3 59.5 3.86 2781 100.0 51398 10795 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 106.4 67.5 4.37 2779 90.1 51398 12102 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 108.3 69.2 4.48 2769 92.6 51398 11998 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 108.5 69.1 4.48 2769 92.8 51398 11981 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 108.7 69.2 4.49 2768 92.6 51398 11986 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 104.0 63.7 4.13 2765 92.4 51398 11735 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 109.9 63.7 4.13 2765 92.4 51398 11735 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 97.7 60.2 3.90 2751 97.4 51398 11195 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 104.6 63.1 4.09 2749 92.2 51398 11562 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 65.3 4.23 2747 97.4 47860 11913 1.169
Rottweil R905 107.2 63.5 4.11 2742 92.2 51398 11387 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 92.1 58.1 3.77 2741 96.5 51398 11129 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 92.1 58.1 3.77 2741 96.5 51398 11129 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 97.1 57.3 3.72 2739 98.8 51398 10887 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 102.1 60.9 3.95 2739 94.6 51398 11246 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 97.2 57.4 3.72 2739 98.8 51398 10884 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 101.3 57.8 3.75 2739 98.9 51398 10944 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 94.2 57.4 3.72 2735 98.7 51398 10969 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 101.4 60.2 3.90 2734 94.3 51398 11146 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 102.8 61.4 3.98 2733 94.5 51398 11162 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 90.3 55.6 3.60 2724 99.5 51398 10534 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 102.1 58.3 3.78 2724 98.9 51398 10697 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 108.7 67.3 4.36 2724 91.8 51398 11407 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 90.4 55.7 3.61 2723 99.5 51398 10520 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 100.0 57.7 3.74 2717 99.8 51398 10193 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 99.9 59.6 3.86 2715 94.2 51398 10919 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 99.9 59.6 3.86 2715 94.2 51398 10919 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 96.7 59.6 3.86 2715 94.2 51398 10919 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 102.6 61.9 4.01 2712 95.8 51398 10901 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 108.0 65.7 4.26 2706 89.2 51398 11150 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 103.2 62.3 4.04 2702 91.7 51398 10868 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 107.4 62.3 4.04 2702 91.7 51398 10868 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 97.5 59.0 3.83 2701 96.2 51398 10696 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 108.0 63.8 4.13 2698 95.2 51398 10606 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 101.0 63.5 4.12 2696 94.3 51398 10688 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 91.8 54.2 3.51 2692 99.8 51398 10130 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 96.3 56.8 3.68 2686 96.7 51398 10528 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 91.5 53.4 3.46 2685 99.7 51398 10077 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 98.8 57.7 3.74 2681 95.7 51398 10398 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 97.0 57.5 3.73 2681 95.8 51398 10387 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 100.3 59.0 3.82 2680 92.9 51398 10528 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 90.9 54.7 3.55 2680 96.9 51398 10174 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.3 52.0 3.37 2670 100.0 51398 9552 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 94.9 55.4 3.59 2668 97.8 51398 10209 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 90.0 52.0 3.37 2667 99.2 51398 9911 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 107.3 61.4 3.98 2666 92.8 51398 10343 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 92.5 54.9 3.55 2663 97.7 51398 9995 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 90.6 51.1 3.31 2662 99.3 51398 9766 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 93.7 54.9 3.56 2660 95.8 51398 10234 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 90.8 54.9 3.56 2660 95.8 51398 10227 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 96.6 54.4 3.52 2654 100.0 51398 9500 1.166 ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 170, Sierra SPFN 30-30 2010
Useable Case Capaci: 65.374 grain H2O = 4.245 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 51397 psi, or 354 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

158 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 104.1 65.4 4.24 2822 96.4 51398 12412 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.4 64.9 4.21 2794 92.2 51398 12248 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 105.8 64.4 4.18 2788 94.8 51398 12007 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 105.8 64.4 4.18 2788 94.8 51398 12007 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.8 64.4 4.18 2788 94.8 51398 12007 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 108.6 64.7 4.20 2786 94.6 51398 12001 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 99.9 59.9 3.88 2783 100.0 51398 10873 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 106.0 67.9 4.40 2782 90.3 51398 12211 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 107.9 69.6 4.51 2774 92.8 51398 12112 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 108.2 69.6 4.51 2774 92.9 51398 12095 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 108.3 69.7 4.52 2773 92.8 51398 12100 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 109.5 64.2 4.16 2770 92.5 51398 11845 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 103.6 64.2 4.16 2770 92.5 51398 11845 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 65.9 4.27 2762 97.6 48432 12049 1.163
Ramshot Hunter 97.4 60.6 3.93 2754 97.5 51398 11286 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 104.3 63.6 4.12 2754 92.3 51398 11670 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 106.8 63.9 4.14 2746 92.3 51398 11490 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 91.8 58.5 3.79 2744 96.6 51398 11221 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 91.8 58.5 3.79 2744 96.6 51398 11221 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 101.7 61.3 3.97 2743 94.7 51398 11343 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 96.8 57.7 3.74 2742 98.8 51398 10973 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 96.8 57.7 3.74 2742 98.8 51398 10969 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 100.9 58.2 3.77 2741 98.9 51398 11030 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 93.8 57.8 3.74 2738 98.7 51398 11055 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 101.0 60.6 3.92 2738 94.4 51398 11245 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 102.5 61.8 4.00 2736 94.6 51398 11259 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 108.4 67.8 4.39 2730 92.0 51398 11519 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 101.7 58.7 3.80 2727 99.0 51398 10781 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 90.1 56.1 3.63 2726 99.6 51398 10601 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 99.6 58.1 3.76 2720 99.8 51398 10271 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 99.5 60.0 3.89 2719 94.3 51398 11015 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 99.5 60.0 3.89 2719 94.3 51398 11015 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 96.4 60.0 3.89 2719 94.3 51398 11015 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 102.2 62.3 4.03 2715 95.9 51398 10993 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 107.7 66.2 4.29 2711 89.4 51398 11258 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 102.9 62.7 4.06 2706 91.8 51398 10968 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 107.1 62.7 4.06 2706 91.8 51398 10968 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 97.1 59.4 3.85 2705 96.3 51398 10786 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 107.7 64.2 4.16 2701 95.3 51398 10699 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 100.6 63.9 4.14 2700 94.4 51398 10784 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 91.4 54.5 3.53 2695 99.8 51398 10208 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 96.0 57.2 3.71 2689 96.8 51398 10616 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 91.2 53.8 3.48 2688 99.8 51398 10155 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 98.5 58.1 3.76 2685 95.8 51398 10488 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 96.6 57.9 3.75 2685 95.9 51398 10476 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 100.0 59.4 3.85 2684 93.0 51398 10622 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 90.6 55.1 3.57 2684 97.0 51398 10262 1.137 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 94.6 55.8 3.61 2672 97.8 51398 10293 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 92.9 52.3 3.39 2672 100.0 51398 9623 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 106.9 61.8 4.00 2670 92.9 51398 10437 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 92.2 55.2 3.58 2667 97.8 51398 10079 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 90.3 51.4 3.33 2665 99.4 51398 9845 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 93.4 55.2 3.58 2664 95.9 51398 10323 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 90.5 55.3 3.58 2664 95.9 51398 10316 1.163 ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 170, Speer DCFN 2042
Useable Case Capaci: 62.476 grain H2O = 4.056 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 51397 psi, or 354 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

151 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 105.7 63.5 4.12 2805 96.0 51398 11941 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 107.1 63.0 4.08 2774 91.6 51398 11750 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 101.7 58.2 3.77 2773 100.0 51398 10517 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 107.5 62.6 4.06 2770 94.3 51398 11539 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 107.5 62.6 4.06 2770 94.3 51398 11539 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 107.5 62.6 4.06 2770 94.3 51398 11539 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 107.7 65.9 4.27 2763 89.6 51398 11704 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 110.0 62.7 4.06 2758 93.9 50810 11491 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 109.7 67.4 4.37 2749 92.2 51398 11572 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 109.4 67.5 4.37 2749 92.0 51398 11586 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 109.8 67.5 4.38 2748 92.0 51398 11575 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.2 62.2 4.03 2747 91.8 51398 11343 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 99.0 58.9 3.82 2739 97.2 51398 10870 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 90.7 54.8 3.55 2739 99.3 51398 10467 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.8 61.6 3.99 2731 91.7 51398 11176 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 93.3 56.8 3.68 2730 96.3 51398 10800 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 93.3 56.8 3.68 2730 96.3 51398 10800 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 102.7 56.6 3.67 2729 98.7 51398 10638 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 98.4 56.1 3.63 2728 98.6 51398 10580 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 98.5 56.1 3.63 2728 98.6 51398 10577 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 108.5 62.0 4.02 2727 91.7 51398 11018 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 103.3 59.5 3.86 2725 94.2 51398 10898 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 95.4 56.2 3.64 2724 98.5 51398 10661 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 104.1 59.9 3.88 2719 94.1 51398 10815 1.142 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 102.5 58.7 3.81 2718 93.9 51398 10789 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 103.4 57.0 3.70 2714 98.8 51398 10397 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 91.5 54.4 3.52 2714 99.4 51398 10244 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 91.6 54.5 3.53 2713 99.4 51398 10231 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 110.0 61.6 3.99 2712 91.2 49506 11198 1.152
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 101.3 56.4 3.66 2707 99.7 51398 9914 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 109.8 65.7 4.25 2702 91.2 51398 11004 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 101.1 58.2 3.77 2701 93.9 51398 10576 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 101.1 58.2 3.77 2701 93.9 51398 10576 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 97.9 58.2 3.77 2701 93.9 51398 10576 1.143 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 103.9 60.5 3.92 2700 95.5 51398 10572 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 63.0 4.08 2692 96.4 45861 11419 1.193
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 98.7 57.7 3.74 2689 95.9 51398 10371 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 90.9 52.9 3.43 2688 99.8 51398 9932 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 109.2 64.1 4.15 2687 88.7 51398 10765 1.140 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 104.4 60.8 3.94 2685 91.2 51398 10505 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 108.6 60.8 3.94 2685 91.2 51398 10505 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 109.4 62.3 4.04 2684 94.9 51398 10272 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 93.0 53.0 3.43 2682 99.7 51398 9855 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 102.1 62.0 4.02 2681 93.9 51398 10345 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 90.3 53.1 3.44 2679 98.3 51398 10101 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 90.7 51.4 3.33 2679 99.4 51398 9711 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 92.7 52.2 3.38 2674 99.7 51398 9800 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 97.5 55.5 3.60 2673 96.4 51398 10211 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 100.0 56.3 3.65 2667 95.4 51398 10075 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 98.1 56.2 3.64 2667 95.5 51398 10065 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 101.5 57.7 3.74 2666 92.5 51398 10191 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 92.0 53.4 3.46 2665 96.6 51398 9859 1.139 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 94.6 50.9 3.30 2661 100.0 51398 9300 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 96.1 54.1 3.51 2656 97.5 51398 9905 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 90.8 50.8 3.29 2655 99.0 51398 9626 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 91.1 50.8 3.29 2655 99.0 51398 9626 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 108.5 59.9 3.88 2651 92.4 51398 10007 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 93.6 53.6 3.47 2650 97.5 51398 9693 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 91.7 49.9 3.23 2649 99.2 51398 9484 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 94.8 53.6 3.47 2646 95.5 51398 9916 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 91.8 53.6 3.48 2646 95.5 51398 9909 1.165 ! Near Maximum !

There is some QL data, pretty mild in pressure and should give you some ideas where to start. Even mild 30-06 loads have the ability to run into the 2600's pretty easily. It would be cool to see what one of the 30-30 bullets pushed to 2600 or so does in the jugs. Maybe they would fair better than I think. I know the Speer and the PT would do pretty well, not sure what the Sierra would do. Hornady may be a better one as well. They are supposed to be tough nuts as well.

 

[JLC0311]

Thanks, gets me something to start working. I should have my 95 sight issue resolved no later than mid Sept.

I'm very interested in what they will do in the low 2600s. I'm sure the PT will do well, but I'm thinking the Sierra will expand a bit quicker. ProHunters are made with penetration and retention in mind, but this would take that 170 FP 300fps more than the hottest 30/30 load in Hodgdon.

I think either of those two at 50 yards will be down right devastating. Might even breakdown and get some ballistic gelatin to check out the wound cavity. I will definatley post pics of the results.

 

[Guest]

If you're going to be loading to -06 velocities, I'd strongly consider the old Speer Hot-Cor 180gr Soft Point Round Nose (SPRN) or the Hornady 180gr RN. It will do all you're asking of it, and hold together at the 2700-2800fps max velocity range the -06 will likely provide. It's also good out to 240yds (give or take 10yds) of point blank range, and is only about 10" low at 300yds (which means hold at the top of his back and whack him for white-tails).

Hornadys are in stock at Graf's:

http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/pro ... uctId/6282

I can't find the Speers anywhere. They may be discontinued.

A 180gr RN would be pretty good thump at short range for white-tail hunting, though.

 

[SJB358]

Thanks, gets me something to start working. I should have my 95 sight issue resolved no later than mid Sept.

I'm very interested in what they will do in the low 2600s. I'm sure the PT will do well, but I'm thinking the Sierra will expand a bit quicker. ProHunters are made with penetration and retention in mind, but this would take that 170 FP 300fps more than the hottest 30/30 load in Hodgdon.

I think either of those two at 50 yards will be down right devastating. Might even breakdown and get some ballistic gelatin to check out the wound cavity. I will definatley post pics of the results.

Run them into jugs Jimmy, plain old water jugs once you get your loads worked out. I think that will tell you volumes of what the bullets will do at muzzle velocity like impacts. That Sierra looked great at 2300, just might do okay at a faster clip. You might be onto something. Hard telling till it is ran into something to see how it holds up and if it has the expansion you want.

JD338 used some 30-30 bullets in a 30-06, he might have some insight as well.

 

[Oldtrader3]

When I used to jump shoot running WT deer in Georgia, I used a Winchester or Hornady 180 gr roundnosed bullet loaded to about 2600+ fps in a Model 70, .30-06, 20 inch barrel carbine. This was the roundnosed Power Lokt bullet with lots of lead protruding forward of the scalloped jacket. These bullets always expanded and deer which were well hit seldom went more than a couple body lengths before skidding on thier nose. These bullets always expanded perfectly.

 

[1Shot]

If you are jump shooting deer a good 165 to 180 Nosler Partition would be good because it will get into the vitals through the rear end. Other wise learn to make the high shoulder shot and you will not have to track a deer. I takes out the lungs and the spine and they drop on the spot.

 

[JD338]

Many years ago I loaded up some Remington 30-30 150 gr SPCL bullets in a 30-06 and shot a WT buck. I recovered the bullet under the hide on the off side. The insides looked like it was hit by a grenade. The deer died pretty fast to.

JD338

 

[Polaris]

I shot Hornady 170s through an m99 300 savage for years. This particular rifle didn't feed spitzers well. Great deer bullet in the woods. Nice expansion, through and through penetration most shots. Can't complain. Don't remember my vel offhand but it should be close to your start load velocity.

You could also just download a 165 BT and have no complaints, but I think there's something sexy about flat or round pointed bullets in the big woods. Very old school.

 

[JLC0311]

Polaris, I agree. It's great to go old school on a lot of things and since these are going to be running through a Winchester 1895 it only seems natural. Flat Points and Round noses transfer a lot energy on impact they just are not all that great at extended ranges. I'm going to be sitting up on trails with food plots waiting for the right deer to walk into my kill zone. Ground vegetation is so thick where I'll be that jump shooting them won't work, they'd hear me a mile away. After the shot I don't want it going far at all, I want JD338's grenade taking out its vitals. Last year it took me a little over 30 mins to find a doe that only went 30 yards.

Thanks everyone for all the input, I think this project is going to turn out pretty good. Jimmy

 

[JD338]

Polaris, I agree. It's great to go old school on a lot of things and since these are going to be running through a Winchester 1895 it only seems natural. Flat Points and Round noses transfer a lot energy on impact they just are not all that great at extended ranges. I'm going to be sitting up on trails with food plots waiting for the right deer to walk into my kill zone. Ground vegetation is so thick where I'll be that jump shooting them won't work, they'd hear me a mile away. After the shot I don't want it going far at all, I want JD338's grenade taking out its vitals. Last year it took me a little over 30 mins to find a doe that only went 30 yards.

Thanks everyone for all the input, I think this project is going to turn out pretty good. Jimmy

Jimmy,

You can also use a 150 gr BT at 2900-3000 fps, it will pole ax deer right now.

JD338

 

[JLC0311]

True but half the fun is doing something a little different.

Jimmy

 

[JD338]

Take a look at the Nosler 30-30 150 gr BST.

JD338

 

[SJB358]

True but half the fun is doing something a little different.

Jimmy

I am with you there. I like to experiment and FN or RN bullets seem to be pretty cool for your 1895.. Give the 170's a try, see if they shoot. I can't imagine deer getting too far from the impact sight at 30-06 speeds.