300 H&H

[DaveA37]

Now that my fall big game hunting season is over, I'm retreating to the reloading bench with the thought of creating an elk load for my 300 H&H. While I did get lucky on my cow elk using 140 gr AB's in my 280, I thought something a bit heavier might be better medicine for critters the size of a 600-700 pound elk. The 280 w/140 AB's took the heart out of the cow but should that one shot have hit heavy bone in the shoulder, things might have turned out different.

Recently I was given a brand new, never opened box of 165 Gr Barnes TSX bullets and thought I would give these a look. If I cannot get this combo to work, I still have my 300 Win mag and of course, the 280 to fall back on.

Anyone have a good recipe for 300 H&H using Barnes 165 gr TSX I have on hand?
I do have IMR 4350, 4831 and RL22 powders available and lots of WLR primers.

 

[DrMike]

Barnes lists 70 grains of IMR4831 and 68 grains of IMR4350 as maximum charges with their 165 grain TSX.

 

[Thankful Otter]

Possibly a coincidence but we had the same problem with the same bullet and ended up giving them away.

In the 300 H & H we have used the, 180 and 200 A Frames and the 180 and 220 Woodleigh successfully. IOHO, the 300 H&H is at its best with the heavier gr bullets

 

[SJB358]

Now that my fall big game hunting season is over, I'm retreating to the reloading bench with the thought of creating an elk load for my 300 H&H. While I did get lucky on my cow elk using 140 gr AB's in my 280, I thought something a bit heavier might be better medicine for critters the size of a 600-700 pound elk. The 280 w/140 AB's took the heart out of the cow but should that one shot have hit heavy bone in the shoulder, things might have turned out different.

Recently I was given a brand new, never opened box of 165 Gr Barnes TSX bullets and thought I would give these a look. If I cannot get this combo to work, I still have my 300 Win mag and of course, the 280 to fall back on.

Anyone have a good recipe for 300 H&H using Barnes 165 gr TSX I have on hand?
I do have IMR 4350, 4831 and RL22 powders available and lots of WLR primers.

I drove a 140 AB out of my 270WSM through the shoulders of a large bull elk at around 150 yards for a finisher shot a few years ago, that bullet crushed both shoulders and was found in the skin. I am of the same belief as you, that a heavier bullet would have probably exited, but I am not sure it would have killed any quicker. The 7mm 140 is a tough bullet.

I think when you get into the elk class animals, the above 30 and above makes a good impression.

As too the 165 TSX, that is a good one as well, I can't imagine you wouldn't smoke elk with that bullet running along at 3100+ either. Should get excellent penetration as well.

Here is where some of your powders fall out in QL. If you want to see something more specific, let us know.

Cartridge : .300 H.& H. Mag.
Bullet : .308, 165, Barnes 'TSX'BT 30843
Useable Case Capaci: 75.893 grain H2O = 4.928 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.600 inch = 91.44 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 62000 psi, or 427 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

150 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 104.1 76.0 4.92 3186 99.5 62000 13015 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.8 75.6 4.90 3172 97.0 62000 13193 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 108.0 80.9 5.24 3165 97.8 62000 12974 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 108.4 80.9 5.24 3164 97.8 62000 12962 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 108.2 80.8 5.24 3164 97.9 62000 12945 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 106.0 78.9 5.11 3158 95.5 62000 13203 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 104.3 74.9 4.85 3155 97.4 62000 12771 1.087 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 106.0 75.0 4.86 3151 98.5 62000 12754 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 106.0 75.0 4.86 3151 98.5 62000 12754 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 106.0 75.0 4.86 3151 98.5 62000 12754 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 108.9 75.3 4.88 3149 98.4 62000 12762 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 110.0 74.8 4.85 3148 97.3 61583 12751 1.090 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.2 74.4 4.82 3138 97.2 62000 12634 1.086 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 109.0 79.1 5.13 3123 97.4 62000 12452 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 76.5 4.96 3122 99.9 57768 12486 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 107.1 74.4 4.82 3110 96.9 62000 12357 1.102 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 102.0 71.0 4.60 3107 98.3 62000 12066 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 102.6 71.8 4.65 3104 98.4 62000 12135 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 98.1 70.9 4.59 3103 99.8 62000 11830 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 99.9 69.5 4.50 3099 100.0 62000 11007 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 92.6 68.5 4.44 3099 99.4 62000 11856 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 92.6 68.5 4.44 3099 99.4 62000 11856 1.107 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 90.4 66.4 4.30 3098 100.0 62000 11179 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 103.3 72.3 4.68 3096 98.4 62000 12045 1.100 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 108.7 77.6 5.03 3096 95.0 62000 12357 1.091 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 97.6 67.5 4.38 3084 100.0 62000 11350 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 97.6 67.6 4.38 3083 100.0 62000 11347 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 94.8 67.8 4.39 3083 100.0 62000 11484 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 100.4 70.3 4.55 3078 98.2 62000 11813 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 97.3 70.3 4.55 3078 98.2 62000 11813 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 100.4 70.3 4.55 3078 98.2 62000 11813 1.101 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 101.2 67.7 4.39 3078 100.0 62000 11319 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 103.7 73.4 4.75 3073 96.5 62000 11888 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 107.9 73.4 4.75 3073 96.5 62000 11888 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 102.8 72.7 4.71 3066 99.0 62000 11627 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 102.4 68.6 4.45 3064 100.0 62000 11104 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 91.1 65.8 4.26 3063 100.0 62000 10935 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 91.2 65.9 4.27 3062 100.0 62000 10920 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 98.0 69.6 4.51 3056 99.2 62000 11431 1.113 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 101.1 74.5 4.83 3052 98.2 62000 11504 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 108.1 74.8 4.85 3049 98.8 62000 11334 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 101.2 69.8 4.52 3046 97.3 62000 11493 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 100.2 67.8 4.39 3043 100.0 62000 10462 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 97.3 67.3 4.36 3041 99.5 62000 11254 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 99.9 68.4 4.43 3040 99.0 62000 11208 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 98.1 68.3 4.42 3040 99.1 62000 11189 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 90.2 64.4 4.18 3039 100.0 62000 10964 1.120 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 92.2 65.1 4.22 3037 99.6 62000 10923 1.093 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 110.0 77.0 4.99 3030 96.2 52790 12802 1.182
IMR 4320 90.8 62.5 4.05 3030 100.0 62000 10428 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 90.4 63.9 4.14 3028 100.0 62000 10536 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 108.0 72.5 4.70 3027 97.2 62000 11272 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 92.4 64.0 4.15 3024 100.0 62000 10456 1.131 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 95.1 65.3 4.23 3021 99.0 62000 11062 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 92.1 65.3 4.23 3020 99.0 62000 11054 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 92.6 63.4 4.11 3020 100.0 62000 10469 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 110.0 81.1 5.26 3020 89.7 51426 13481 1.189
Lovex S065 96.1 65.8 4.26 3019 99.9 62000 10855 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder 33 110.0 84.6 5.48 3019 90.9 52105 13380 1.183
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 93.8 65.2 4.23 3013 99.9 62000 10647 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 91.7 62.1 4.02 3013 100.0 62000 10444 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 91.4 62.1 4.02 3013 100.0 62000 10444 1.106 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 100.1 74.6 4.83 3009 96.5 62000 11229 1.115 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 92.2 60.9 3.95 3004 100.0 62000 10251 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 110.0 72.8 4.72 2996 99.5 58050 11232 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 110.0 72.8 4.72 2996 99.5 58050 11232 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 93.9 61.4 3.98 2983 100.0 62000 9873 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 97.7 64.5 4.18 2977 100.0 62000 9853 1.124 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 93.2 67.3 4.36 2971 98.9 62000 10442 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 110.0 76.1 4.93 2970 95.3 53117 11958 1.166
Vihtavuori N135 93.9 59.5 3.86 2933 100.0 62000 9114 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 77.4 5.01 2909 97.0 46175 12525 1.247

 

[shoots_5]

Never used the Barnes bullets but my 300 H&H eats 4831 like it's candy! I would start with that powder and only look elsewhere if it doesn't produce what you are looking for. RL-22 is another I've had some success with.

 

[DrMike]

Possibly a coincidence but we had the same problem with the same bullet and ended up giving them away.

In the 300 H & H we have used the, 180 and 200 A Frames and the 180 and 220 Woodleigh successfully. IOHO, the 300 H&H is at its best with the heavier gr bullets

The 300 H&H was made for heavier bullets.

 

[shoots_5]

While I agree that the H&H does handle the 180-200grain bullets really well, I also have a soft spot for the 165's out of this cartridge. It is a superb all around loading that is equally adapt for anything from antelope up to elk with the right bullet such as the Partition or AccuBond. Nothing wrong with having one load that will serve you for just about any species of big game you would want to hunt! A 165 AccuBond at 3100fps is pretty strong medicine! Now the 190 or 210 LR AB will be a really interesting combo that will breath a bit more long range life into this old sweetheart of a cartridge!

 

[SJB358]

165 AccuBond at 3100fps is pretty strong medicine! Now the 190 or 210 LR AB will be a really interesting combo that will breath a bit more long range life into this old sweetheart of a cartridge!

I am with you buddy... Seems like the old 300 might get some more use. Be cool to see what it does..

 

[shoots_5]

Here are some numbers I ran in Applied Ballistics using the info for the 210gr LR AB with a MV of 2750fps, 10mph 3 o'clock wind. Not too bad for such an old cartridge!