307 Winchester

[gerry]

The 308 Marlin Express was an attempt to try again with this concept I belive all it was is the 307 Win shortened .10" and loaded with the Flex Tip bullets. Maybe someone can correct me if I'm wrong on this. Don't know how well the Marlin cartridge is doing though.

 

[SJB358]

I have seen a few 307's that I should not have let go. Man, 170's at 2600 would be fearful for a timber carrying rifle. Scotty

 

[DrMike]

I passed on a few .307s because I was acquiring .356s and .375s. I won't make that mistake in the future should I run into a good example of the .307 in a classy Model 94.

 

[FOTIS]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt ... =260351242


a steal

 

[DrMike]

That is a real steal! Pity it isn't being sold in Canada. A super price, for sure.

 

[gerry]

Not sure if this is a good price DrMike but here's one on our side of the border :mrgreen:

http://williamsarms.net/usedfirearms.html

http://www.williamsarms.net/usedguns/DSCF7316.JPG
http://www.williamsarms.net/usedguns/DSCF7317.JPG

You can thank me later :grin:

 

[DrMike]

The price is about right. I'd let them keep the scope and offer them a little less. I'll see about looking into this.

 

[SJB358]

Mike, you probably need one of them! Scotty

 

[DrMike]

Yeah, and I just picked up a VX7 1X6. Tell you what, Scotty. You buy that one down in the states, and I'll negotiate on this one on this side of the line. Then, we'll work up loads while we compare notes. I believe you need one of these. :grin:

 

[SJB358]

Yeah, and I just picked up a VX7 1X6. Tell you what, Scotty. You buy that one down in the states, and I'll negotiate on this one on this side of the line. Then, we'll work up loads while we compare notes. I believe you need one of these. :grin:

I wished we could find 307's for that price down here. In that condition, most of them fetch closer to 700.. I would have to push the little 30-30 to my son then. Scotty

 

[DrMike]

I can think of worse gifts for a son than a 30-30! That'd be pretty neat for him. Of course, he'd shortly lay claim to the .307 when he saw what a fine piece of work it was. Consequently, Fotis posted this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=260351242, which is far cheaper than what I have found them in Canada. You'd better jump on this, Scotty.

 

[SJB358]

I can think of worse gifts for a son than a 30-30! That'd be pretty neat for him. Of course, he'd shortly lay claim to the .307 when he saw what a fine piece of work it was. Consequently, Fotis posted this: http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=260351242, which is far cheaper than what I have found them in Canada. You'd better jump on this, Scotty.

That is a nice rifle. I am not sure it is as nice as the Canadian one that was posted by Gerry though. I think the boy will have to "suffer" with shooting the 30-30 for awhile. Scotty

 

[Double Dropper]

Reviving the post and just purchased (horse traded LOL) a clean 307 Winchester AE and I really like it. Ammo is not the best selection but I did see the load data with RL-17 WOW! In the research I have done, no one has tried RL-17, Big Game, or W-760? Thinking the powder capacity with a deep set 170 grain bullet does not allow that?

 

[Guy Miner]

Reviving the post and just purchased (horse traded LOL) a clean 307 Winchester AE and I really like it. Ammo is not the best selection but I did see the load data with RL-17 WOW! In the research I have done, no one has tried RL-17, Big Game, or W-760? Thinking the powder capacity with a deep set 170 grain bullet does not allow that?

I don't know - but what a Zombie Thread! Brought back from the dead of 2011...

Guy

 

[Double Dropper]

Zombies? that is a great idea Guy, the 307 would be perfect for that

 

[SJB358]

Cartridge : .307 Win.
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 44.888 grain H2O = 2.915 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.560 inch = 65.02 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.042% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.4 99 43.00 2444 2255 40909 8078 94.7 1.259
-09.4 100 43.50 2476 2314 42459 8180 95.3 1.238
-08.3 101 44.00 2508 2374 44078 8278 95.9 1.217
-07.3 103 44.50 2540 2434 45767 8371 96.4 1.196
-06.3 104 45.00 2571 2496 47533 8460 96.9 1.175
-05.2 105 45.50 2603 2558 49375 8543 97.3 1.155
-04.2 106 46.00 2635 2621 51303 8622 97.7 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
-03.1 107 46.50 2667 2685 53317 8696 98.1 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
-02.1 108 47.00 2699 2750 55429 8764 98.5 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 109 47.50 2731 2816 57639 8826 98.8 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 48.00 2763 2882 59954 8883 99.1 1.059 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 112 48.50 2795 2949 62384 8934 99.3 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.1 113 49.00 2827 3017 64932 8979 99.5 1.023 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.1 114 49.50 2859 3085 67611 9018 99.7 1.006 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2 115 50.00 2891 3155 70423 9050 99.8 0.989 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.2 116 50.50 2923 3224 73384 9075 99.9 0.972 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 48.00 2903 3181 72852 8490 100.0 0.978 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 48.00 2563 2480 48718 8669 92.5 1.166

Cartridge : .307 Win.
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 44.888 grain H2O = 2.915 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.560 inch = 65.02 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Ramshot Big Game

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.087% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.9 93 41.00 2393 2161 40770 7404 94.3 1.274
-09.8 94 41.50 2423 2215 42295 7499 94.8 1.253
-08.7 95 42.00 2452 2270 43882 7590 95.3 1.232
-07.6 96 42.50 2482 2326 45530 7679 95.8 1.212
-06.5 98 43.00 2512 2382 47252 7765 96.3 1.192
-05.4 99 43.50 2542 2439 49043 7847 96.7 1.172
-04.3 100 44.00 2572 2496 50910 7925 97.1 1.153
-03.3 101 44.50 2601 2555 52856 8000 97.5 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 102 45.00 2631 2613 54885 8071 97.8 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 103 45.50 2661 2673 57000 8138 98.2 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 46.00 2691 2733 59216 8201 98.5 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
+01.1 105 46.50 2721 2794 61505 8260 98.7 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2 107 47.00 2750 2855 63941 8315 99.0 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3 108 47.50 2780 2917 66464 8365 99.2 1.028 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.3 109 48.00 2810 2980 69107 8411 99.4 1.011 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.4 110 48.50 2839 3043 71870 8452 99.6 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 46.00 2814 2990 71883 7940 100.0 1.002 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 46.00 2520 2397 48121 8006 92.4 1.181

Cartridge : .307 Win.
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 44.888 grain H2O = 2.915 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.560 inch = 65.02 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Winchester 760

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.042% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.4 98 43.00 2396 2167 41068 7624 88.5 1.269
-09.4 99 43.50 2427 2223 42622 7736 89.2 1.248
-08.3 101 44.00 2458 2280 44244 7845 89.8 1.227
-07.3 102 44.50 2489 2338 45937 7952 90.5 1.206
-06.3 103 45.00 2520 2397 47704 8057 91.1 1.186
-05.2 104 45.50 2552 2457 49549 8159 91.7 1.166
-04.2 105 46.00 2583 2518 51479 8258 92.3 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
-03.1 106 46.50 2615 2580 53496 8354 92.9 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
-02.1 107 47.00 2646 2643 55607 8447 93.4 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 109 47.50 2678 2707 57815 8537 94.0 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 48.00 2710 2772 60126 8623 94.5 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 111 48.50 2742 2837 62557 8705 95.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.1 112 49.00 2774 2904 65101 8784 95.5 1.035 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.1 113 49.50 2806 2972 67774 8859 95.9 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2 114 50.00 2838 3040 70581 8930 96.3 1.000 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.2 115 50.50 2870 3110 73530 8996 96.8 0.983 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 48.00 2864 3095 73383 8680 99.0 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 48.00 2513 2384 48682 8115 86.0 1.177



Worthwhile thread to bring back up! Zombies or not

 

[FOTIS]

Always on the lookout for one. Should look nice next to my 356 Win.

 

[DrMike]

Just sold two of them this year, Fotis. Great cartridge that went well with my three .356s.

 

[Double Dropper]

Cartridge : .307 Win.
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 44.888 grain H2O = 2.915 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.560 inch = 65.02 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17 *T

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.042% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.4 99 43.00 2444 2255 40909 8078 94.7 1.259
-09.4 100 43.50 2476 2314 42459 8180 95.3 1.238
-08.3 101 44.00 2508 2374 44078 8278 95.9 1.217
-07.3 103 44.50 2540 2434 45767 8371 96.4 1.196
-06.3 104 45.00 2571 2496 47533 8460 96.9 1.175
-05.2 105 45.50 2603 2558 49375 8543 97.3 1.155
-04.2 106 46.00 2635 2621 51303 8622 97.7 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
-03.1 107 46.50 2667 2685 53317 8696 98.1 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
-02.1 108 47.00 2699 2750 55429 8764 98.5 1.097 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 109 47.50 2731 2816 57639 8826 98.8 1.078 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 111 48.00 2763 2882 59954 8883 99.1 1.059 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 112 48.50 2795 2949 62384 8934 99.3 1.041 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.1 113 49.00 2827 3017 64932 8979 99.5 1.023 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.1 114 49.50 2859 3085 67611 9018 99.7 1.006 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2 115 50.00 2891 3155 70423 9050 99.8 0.989 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.2 116 50.50 2923 3224 73384 9075 99.9 0.972 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 111 48.00 2903 3181 72852 8490 100.0 0.978 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 111 48.00 2563 2480 48718 8669 92.5 1.166

Cartridge : .307 Win.
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 44.888 grain H2O = 2.915 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.560 inch = 65.02 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Ramshot Big Game

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.087% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.9 93 41.00 2393 2161 40770 7404 94.3 1.274
-09.8 94 41.50 2423 2215 42295 7499 94.8 1.253
-08.7 95 42.00 2452 2270 43882 7590 95.3 1.232
-07.6 96 42.50 2482 2326 45530 7679 95.8 1.212
-06.5 98 43.00 2512 2382 47252 7765 96.3 1.192
-05.4 99 43.50 2542 2439 49043 7847 96.7 1.172
-04.3 100 44.00 2572 2496 50910 7925 97.1 1.153
-03.3 101 44.50 2601 2555 52856 8000 97.5 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
-02.2 102 45.00 2631 2613 54885 8071 97.8 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
-01.1 103 45.50 2661 2673 57000 8138 98.2 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 46.00 2691 2733 59216 8201 98.5 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
+01.1 105 46.50 2721 2794 61505 8260 98.7 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.2 107 47.00 2750 2855 63941 8315 99.0 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.3 108 47.50 2780 2917 66464 8365 99.2 1.028 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.3 109 48.00 2810 2980 69107 8411 99.4 1.011 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.4 110 48.50 2839 3043 71870 8452 99.6 0.995 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 46.00 2814 2990 71883 7940 100.0 1.002 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 46.00 2520 2397 48121 8006 92.4 1.181

Cartridge : .307 Win.
Bullet : .308, 170, Nosler PART RN 16333
Useable Case Capaci: 44.888 grain H2O = 2.915 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.560 inch = 65.02 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Winchester 760

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.042% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.4 98 43.00 2396 2167 41068 7624 88.5 1.269
-09.4 99 43.50 2427 2223 42622 7736 89.2 1.248
-08.3 101 44.00 2458 2280 44244 7845 89.8 1.227
-07.3 102 44.50 2489 2338 45937 7952 90.5 1.206
-06.3 103 45.00 2520 2397 47704 8057 91.1 1.186
-05.2 104 45.50 2552 2457 49549 8159 91.7 1.166
-04.2 105 46.00 2583 2518 51479 8258 92.3 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
-03.1 106 46.50 2615 2580 53496 8354 92.9 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
-02.1 107 47.00 2646 2643 55607 8447 93.4 1.108 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 109 47.50 2678 2707 57815 8537 94.0 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 48.00 2710 2772 60126 8623 94.5 1.071 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.0 111 48.50 2742 2837 62557 8705 95.0 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.1 112 49.00 2774 2904 65101 8784 95.5 1.035 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.1 113 49.50 2806 2972 67774 8859 95.9 1.017 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.2 114 50.00 2838 3040 70581 8930 96.3 1.000 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.2 115 50.50 2870 3110 73530 8996 96.8 0.983 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 48.00 2864 3095 73383 8680 99.0 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 48.00 2513 2384 48682 8115 86.0 1.177



Worthwhile thread to bring back up! Zombies or not

My only snag with this is.....It seems like getting more than 43 grains of powder in the case is not possible? Do people just compress and crimp?

 

[DrMike]

My only snag with this is.....It seems like getting more than 43 grains of powder in the case is not possible? Do people just compress and crimp?

A Cartridge will hold up to 110% of case fill without difficulty. With a longer drop tube and/or gentle tapping on the case to settle the propellant, case fil can exceed this amount without any concern.