338win mag pre 64

[EOD Diver]

Wow, what a great looking rifle! You and Scotty are going to be like the Wonder Twins when they activate. All jokes aside, beautiful rifle and congratulations. Your uncle would be proud, that rifle is going to serve you well, and it's good to get you back in the reloading game.

Joe

 

[nvbroncrider]

Mickys are nice. My Pre-64 sits in one and they feel great Supergrade mag fill is what mine is. But mine was a full blood donor when I got it.

 

[JD338]

Pat,

Nice rifle. The 210 gr PT is an awesome bullet for anything you will hunt with the 338WM, shirt big bears.
Then I would load up the 250 gr PT.

JD338

 

[pre6422hornet]

Pat,

Nice rifle. The 210 gr PT is an awesome bullet for anything you will hunt with the 338WM, shirt big bears.
Then I would load up the 250 gr PT.

JD338

JD I already have aquired the dies and two OLD boxes of 250 PT's. I do plan on getting some 210's as well.

I think we need a 338 ABLR???

 

[SJB358]

I think we need a 338 ABLR???

You aren't kidding, I would love a 225ABLR, made for us "little" 338 Win Mag shooters.. Ah well, I guess I can suffer along with the 225 AB's till that point though...

 

[pre6422hornet]

Have you ran the QL numbers on a 225 ABLR with just a SWAG?

 

[SJB358]

Have you ran the QL numbers on a 225 ABLR with just a SWAG?

I have ran the 225AB quite alot.. Looks real good out of the Alaskan. I've resisted using the 225's, for no good reason. This year, I am going to try and make it right though.

Cartridge : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 72.491 grain H2O = 4.707 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 25.0 inch = 635.0 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-19

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 87 58.00 2288 2616 31822 7661 88.6 1.593
-18.0 89 59.45 2346 2750 34011 7911 89.9 1.549
-16.0 91 60.90 2404 2887 36353 8155 91.1 1.506
-14.0 93 62.35 2462 3029 38862 8391 92.3 1.461
-12.0 95 63.80 2521 3174 41554 8618 93.4 1.416
-10.0 98 65.25 2579 3323 44443 8835 94.4 1.373
-08.0 100 66.70 2638 3476 47548 9041 95.3 1.331
-06.0 102 68.15 2696 3632 50887 9234 96.2 1.291
-04.0 104 69.60 2755 3791 54483 9415 97.0 1.252
-02.0 106 71.05 2813 3954 58360 9583 97.7 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 72.50 2872 4121 62546 9735 98.3 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 111 73.95 2931 4291 67073 9871 98.8 1.143 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 113 75.40 2989 4463 71977 9991 99.2 1.109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 115 76.85 3047 4639 77297 10094 99.6 1.076 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 117 78.30 3106 4818 83081 10177 99.8 1.045 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 119 79.75 3164 5000 89352 10242 99.9 1.014 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 72.50 3003 4505 75275 9505 100.0 1.094 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 72.50 2694 3627 51012 9454 92.3 1.286


Cartridge : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 72.491 grain H2O = 4.707 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 25.0 inch = 635.0 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 76 53.60 2339 2734 33227 7627 96.6 1.558
-18.0 78 54.94 2393 2861 35386 7818 97.4 1.516
-16.0 80 56.28 2447 2991 37686 7997 98.1 1.473
-14.0 82 57.62 2500 3123 40130 8164 98.7 1.431
-12.0 84 58.96 2553 3257 42731 8316 99.2 1.391
-10.0 86 60.30 2606 3392 45501 8454 99.5 1.351
-08.0 88 61.64 2658 3530 48452 8577 99.8 1.313
-06.0 90 62.98 2710 3668 51596 8684 100.0 1.277
-04.0 92 64.32 2761 3808 54950 8775 100.0 1.242
-02.0 94 65.66 2812 3950 58532 8857 100.0 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 96 67.00 2862 4092 62361 8936 100.0 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 97 68.34 2912 4236 66454 9013 100.0 1.144 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 99 69.68 2961 4381 70837 9087 100.0 1.113 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 101 71.02 3010 4527 75534 9158 100.0 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 103 72.36 3059 4675 80577 9226 100.0 1.056 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 105 73.70 3107 4824 85995 9291 100.0 1.028 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 96 67.00 2953 4356 74394 8600 100.0 1.100 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 96 67.00 2723 3703 51466 9225 98.6 1.274


Cartridge : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 72.491 grain H2O = 4.707 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 25.0 inch = 635.0 mm
Powder : IMR 4350

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 83 55.20 2276 2588 33281 7206 91.3 1.580
-18.0 85 56.58 2330 2712 35498 7419 92.4 1.537
-16.0 87 57.96 2384 2839 37861 7625 93.4 1.493
-14.0 89 59.34 2438 2969 40379 7824 94.4 1.450
-12.0 91 60.72 2492 3101 43065 8015 95.2 1.408
-10.0 93 62.10 2545 3237 45905 8196 96.1 1.367
-08.0 96 63.48 2599 3374 48919 8367 96.8 1.328
-06.0 98 64.86 2652 3515 52135 8528 97.5 1.291
-04.0 100 66.24 2706 3657 55569 8678 98.1 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 102 67.62 2759 3802 59237 8816 98.6 1.220 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 69.00 2812 3950 63160 8942 99.0 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 106 70.38 2864 4099 67359 9055 99.4 1.153 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 71.76 2917 4251 71858 9153 99.6 1.122 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 110 73.14 2969 4405 76685 9238 99.8 1.092 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 112 74.52 3021 4560 81871 9308 100.0 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 114 75.90 3073 4718 87450 9362 100.0 1.034 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 69.00 2921 4263 74435 8667 100.0 1.109 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 69.00 2660 3534 52108 8811 94.2 1.286

Cartridge : .338 Win Mag.
Bullet : .338, 225, Nosler AccuBond 54357
Useable Case Capaci: 72.491 grain H2O = 4.707 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 25.0 inch = 635.0 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Norma MRP 110.0 76.7 4.97 2948 99.3 61712 10469 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.0 75.5 4.89 2910 97.0 62707 10192 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 106.6 70.8 4.59 2885 100.0 63000 8822 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 104.1 71.9 4.66 2881 99.8 63000 9512 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 110.0 75.1 4.87 2879 96.0 58543 10429 1.203 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 108.7 72.7 4.71 2878 98.3 63000 9750 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 98.3 69.5 4.50 2874 99.4 63000 9500 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 98.3 69.5 4.50 2874 99.4 63000 9500 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 107.8 71.7 4.64 2872 98.2 63000 9658 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 109.5 73.1 4.74 2871 98.3 63000 9674 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 110.0 74.3 4.82 2869 96.6 61050 10032 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 100.7 68.7 4.45 2861 100.0 63000 9232 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 103.7 68.5 4.44 2861 100.0 63000 9100 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 103.7 68.6 4.44 2861 100.0 63000 9098 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 107.6 68.8 4.46 2858 100.0 63000 9059 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 110.0 74.3 4.82 2856 97.8 57789 10102 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 110.0 74.3 4.82 2856 97.8 57789 10102 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 110.0 74.3 4.82 2856 97.8 57789 10102 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 110.0 78.1 5.06 2855 94.1 57615 10391 1.215 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 106.3 71.0 4.60 2849 98.1 63000 9461 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 106.3 71.0 4.60 2849 98.1 63000 9461 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 102.9 71.0 4.60 2849 98.1 63000 9461 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 108.8 69.6 4.51 2844 100.0 63000 8894 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 109.0 73.6 4.77 2843 99.0 63000 9324 1.194 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 109.5 74.0 4.79 2839 96.3 63000 9498 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 103.8 70.4 4.56 2830 99.2 63000 9154 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 106.8 75.2 4.88 2825 98.1 63000 9212 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 106.5 68.8 4.46 2821 100.0 63000 8345 1.187 ! Near Maximum !


I figure I can work an easy 2850/2875 out of them with some load work. The Hornady 225 SST's run a cool 2875 out of my rifle Pat, I would like to try and match the accuracy and speed of that load with the 225AB's.

 

[ajvigs]

A 338 sounds mighty appealing...

 

[SJB358]

A 338 sounds mighty appealing...

HA! Yeah, they are AJ. Nothing more or less than a dozen other cartridges, but it is a good one in my book. Not so big to require muzzle brakes or heavy rifles to dampen recoil, but enough energy to hunt anything here on our continent and probably any animals, anywhere else with good shots (and a back up)!

I have owned 2 of them and both were pretty easy to load for. The 338 has to be one of the most popular over 30 calibers, probably right along with the 375. It makes a heckuva good larger than deer cartridge, if you were ever so inclined.

 

[Hegland]

The 210 gr PT is an awesome bullet for anything you will hunt with the 338WM, shirt big bears.Then I would load up the 250 gr PT.

Got to go with Jim on this one. My .338 pushes a 210 Partition along a trajectory nearly identical to my .270 with the 130 Partition. A whole bunch of horsepower riding a very tight string. For more mass, there's the take-no-prisoners 250 Partition or, if you wish, the 300 AB.

it is a good one in my book.

AJ, I can't add much to what Scotty has already said; it is a downright useful cartridge. I used to have a thing for the .300 WM, but the .338 has eliminated that urge.

 

[ajvigs]

A 338 sounds mighty appealing...

HA! Yeah, they are AJ. Nothing more or less than a dozen other cartridges, but it is a good one in my book. Not so big to require muzzle brakes or heavy rifles to dampen recoil, but enough energy to hunt anything here on our continent and probably any animals, anywhere else with good shots (and a back up)!

I have owned 2 of them and both were pretty easy to load for. The 338 has to be one of the most popular over 30 calibers, probably right along with the 375. It makes a heckuva good larger than deer cartridge, if you were ever so inclined.

The 210 gr PT is an awesome bullet for anything you will hunt with the 338WM, shirt big bears.Then I would load up the 250 gr PT.

Got to go with Jim on this one. My .338 pushes a 210 Partition along a trajectory nearly identical to my .270 with the 130 Partition. A whole bunch of horsepower riding a very tight string. For more mass, there's the take-no-prisoners 250 Partition or, if you wish, the 300 AB.

it is a good one in my book.

AJ, I can't add much to what Scotty has already said; it is a downright useful cartridge. I used to have a thing for the .300 WM, but the .338 has eliminated that urge.

If I ever have an elk hunt planned, or a chance to go on one, a Model 70 Alaskan Laminate Stainless in 338 WM will be procured. :grin:

 

[Oldtrader3]

The 225 Partition was my favorite in the .340 Weatherby. IMR 7828 SSC, 88.0 grains would get you about 3080 fps with that bullet and DRT elk!

 

[SJB358]

The 225 Partition was my favorite in the .340 Weatherby. IMR 7828 SSC, 88.0 grains would get you about 3080 fps with that bullet and DRT elk!

That is a stomper of a load Charlie, for sure.

 

[BK]

The 225 Partition was my favorite in the .340 Weatherby. IMR 7828 SSC, 88.0 grains would get you about 3080 fps with that bullet and DRT elk!

This, right here, is a concern I have if/when I buy an M70 .338... I fear the urge to rechamber or rebarrel to .340 will be too much for me.

 

[Vince]

I should be getting my .338 back from the Gunsmith soon and will start working up loads.
I'm looking forward to seeing how this rifle shoots, Model 70 CRF, as it's a left handed rifle. My first left hander and I've decided to look for a left handed Model 70 in 25-06 to compliment it and complete my 2 Gun Battery. Until I find the 25-06 I'll use my right handed Model 70.
I heard a rumor that Winchester will be making a run of left handed Model 70's in a year or two. I hope it's more than just rumor.

 

[DrMike]

I heard a rumor that Winchester will be making a run of left handed Model 70's in a year or two. I hope it's more than just rumor.

I would imagine this is accurate; it is difficult to imagine them ignoring this market for long. As soon as the brand name is reestablished and product is being provided, they will service the other segments of the market.

 

[gerry]

I would hope they bring back the lefties too, I would be in serious trouble if they came out with a Featherweight 264 WM. Same with an Extreme Weather in the same caliber.

 

[DrMike]

Save up your coinage, Gerry; I foresee this coming on market within a year or so.

 

[SJB358]

The 225 Partition was my favorite in the .340 Weatherby. IMR 7828 SSC, 88.0 grains would get you about 3080 fps with that bullet and DRT elk!

This, right here, is a concern I have if/when I buy an M70 .338... I fear the urge to rechamber or rebarrel to .340 will be too much for me.

I wouldn't sweat it too much Kurt. The 338 will put them out around 2850-2875 without drama. More would be okay but unless your hunting with a heavy rifle or braked, the 340 would be more than I'd like to shoot in the off season too much. Plus, I'm not sure the elk would like either.

 

[HOGWILD338-378]

Neck shooting an Elk would sure mess up some jerky action and, I like me some elk jerky with some crushed chili in it especially with a 338 round up close :shock: my 338-378 has been checked at 3180 fps at around 10 ft with my chrony and hitting an animal within 300 yds will probably cause lots of meat loss dependent on the location I think a spine would be best shot which I am not a fan of but would if that is all I had? I had a spine shot on an Oryx and shoulda been yanking the trigger and did not and ended going home without on a 85% tag out hunt on White Sands? That will never happen again as it was a once in a lifetime hunt but I can still have more shots at Oryx hunts here in NM! These were some long horned females standing looking at me at 80 yds? Only reason I was not yanking trigger is stupidity as the hunt organizers were preaching low front kill shots and these oryx were in sticker scubs which covered all but the top 1/2 of their body and I had no low shoot! I strongly feel I should have carried my 270 Wby as my friends son dropped 1 with a 243 with a Game Warden in tow on a special hunt? Big old Gila Elk has a 225 gr written all over him if I,can pull unit 16D next year!