I saw that SPS has 250gr .358 2nds for sale right now. As I am currently shooting the 250gr Speers at 2575, I grabbed some of the 250gr PT's for the Whelen. I have been waiting to get some for quite awhile. I have the 225's for the 358 and now some 250's for the Whelen. With all the talk from BigBear about hunting moose in Newfoundland, it kind of got my blood boiling. The price of the hunt seems great and if it turns out to be a good hunt, I am thinking I might try it next year and I can't think of a better rifle than the Whelen for it. I might have a back up of the 358 or 45-70 along for the ride, but either should be alot of fun to carry. Scotty
35 Whelen moose bullets
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DrMike
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The 35 Whelen will be a skookum cartridge to drop a moose. Those 250 grain Partitions will be just the ticket.
lefty315
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:grin: I too have been waiting a long time to grab some of these up. I am currently running a 250 Speer right around 2500 from my Ruger. I thought I would work up some loads with the Nosler for that one day that I get to hunt Griz!!!!! But it will most likely get used on a black bear or elk. Either way I ordered some.
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Thats awesome Lefty. I am hoping they shoot well in my Remington, but since the PT's are exactly the same BC and profile as the Speers, I am pretty sure they should be okay. With the 250gr PT at nearly 2600, there isn't anything I wouldn't hunt with the Whelen! Hands down, I know it would take a whole lot to stop the bullet and it will wreck the heck out of everything it touches! Scotty
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Here is your 35 Whelen moose bullet, the Nosler 250 gr PT.......
Loaded at 2600 fps, it will get the job done. :wink:
JD338
Loaded at 2600 fps, it will get the job done. :wink:
JD338
gerry
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The 250's will work great in fact all three of Nosler's 35 cal bullets will work well, make sure you post some pics after your hunt :grin:
Scott Spencer
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Awesome looking bullets, Jim!!
Scotty - I'll go with you on the moose hunt as the caller/videographer if I can shoot one myself. :mrgreen:
Scotty - I'll go with you on the moose hunt as the caller/videographer if I can shoot one myself. :mrgreen:
I have two Canadian friends who try to hunt moose every year. Their choice of bullet is the 250 gr. Speer Hot-Core. Another friend who lives in Ohio did a Newfoundland moose hunt and he too used the 250 gr. Speer bullet. All three are shooting the .35 Whelen. One of my canadian buddies drew a coveted Grizzly Bear tag a couple of years ago. He took his .35 Whelen and the 250 gr. Speer bullet. That says a whole lot to me. It has been said that as long as muzzle velocity is 2800 FPS or less, a regular cup and core bullet should be sufficient. I'm certainly not going to argue with my buddies and tell them they're using the wrong bullet. After all, their hunts were successful.
But then again, I wouldn't argue with the choice of the 250 gr. Partition either. It's whatever someone feels comfortable with. After seeing what a 225 gr. Barnes TSX did to my cow elk this year, I wouldn't worry about the performance of that bullet. It dropped that cow so darn fast she bounced. I believe it would work just fine on moose and be more than adequate should a confrontaion with "Brer Griz" take place. Take which ever bullet suits your fancy, put it in the right place and eat liver. 8)
Paul B.
But then again, I wouldn't argue with the choice of the 250 gr. Partition either. It's whatever someone feels comfortable with. After seeing what a 225 gr. Barnes TSX did to my cow elk this year, I wouldn't worry about the performance of that bullet. It dropped that cow so darn fast she bounced. I believe it would work just fine on moose and be more than adequate should a confrontaion with "Brer Griz" take place. Take which ever bullet suits your fancy, put it in the right place and eat liver. 8)
Paul B.
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PJGunner
Use enough gun and use enough bullet! The Nosler PT will smash through bone and penetrate deep from most any angle to get the job done.
Look at it this way......
We dream, plan and save for the hunt. We buy all the right equipment. We practice and hone our skills for the hunt.
Come show time, it all boils down to the bullet. I will have a Nosler Partition and a very sharp knife. :wink:
JD338
Use enough gun and use enough bullet! The Nosler PT will smash through bone and penetrate deep from most any angle to get the job done.
Look at it this way......
We dream, plan and save for the hunt. We buy all the right equipment. We practice and hone our skills for the hunt.
Come show time, it all boils down to the bullet. I will have a Nosler Partition and a very sharp knife. :wink:
JD338
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Same here, I think the Speer Hot Core is a great bullet and is very accurate for me. If the PT doesn't shoot, I have a great fall back bullet. But, like Jim says, you spend alot of money on the hunt and everything else, a few bucks in GREAT bullets is a very good deal in peace of mind for me. Just about any decent bullet in the Whelen should work, but I know the 250gr PT WILL work. Scotty
Thebear_78
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Its hard to think of a better all around big game cartridge than the good old 35 whelen. The 225gr ballistic tip has proven very effective on whitetails. The best thing about the whelen is its modest velosities reduce recoil and make bullet performance more reliable. Out to 300 yards it will tke any animal on the continent.
250s at 2600fps is smoking for a whelen. I have never gotten one that would go over 2500fps without really over loading it. I had a remington 750 in 35 whelen that wouldn't do much better than 2400fps with the 250s. That said there is precious little differnce between the 250s at 2400fps vs 2600fps when it comes to terminal performance. I found the 250gr speers to hold together really well at 2400fps too.
250s at 2600fps is smoking for a whelen. I have never gotten one that would go over 2500fps without really over loading it. I had a remington 750 in 35 whelen that wouldn't do much better than 2400fps with the 250s. That said there is precious little differnce between the 250s at 2400fps vs 2600fps when it comes to terminal performance. I found the 250gr speers to hold together really well at 2400fps too.
DrMike
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I have no problem shooting Speer or Hornady or Sierra out of my 35s. However, there is an extra measure of confidence imparted by a premium bullet when crunch time comes.
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DrMike":1mjtdypy said:
I like the Whelen alot and would be totally happy with it as my one big game rifle. Same thing for the PT's. I just have alot of trust in them and for the money I use to travel to hunt, the few extra bucks PT's cost, I will try and use them if they shoot well in my rifles. Scotty
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Newfoundland moose is a fun hunt and affordable. The hard part is getting there and then getting the meat back. Have a plan. I used a 358Win BLR w/ 225gr Partitions. Hit him in the left chest and recovered the bullet against the offside last rib. He was coming right at me chasing a cow call and I shot him inside of 20yds. Penetrated over 3' of moose and weighed 125gr. Buckled him on the spot. Muzzle velocity was chronographed 2450fps. Partitions work as advertised.
DrMike
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Silent Sam,
Moose hunting can be quite exciting. When they come in looking for love, the results on hunters can be humorous. The 358 Win is a great cartridge for moose.
Moose hunting can be quite exciting. When they come in looking for love, the results on hunters can be humorous. The 358 Win is a great cartridge for moose.
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Silent Sam
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your bull moose.
If you can, post a picture of the recovered 358 225 gr PT. We like to see recovered bullets here. :lol:
JD338
Welcome to the forum and congratulations on your bull moose.
If you can, post a picture of the recovered 358 225 gr PT. We like to see recovered bullets here. :lol:
JD338
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Heck yeah, be a good chance to get my BLR out and hunt some serious big game. Might be a 358 Win and 45-70 for moose on that hunt. Can't have enough lever guns in the kit bag! Scotty
Cool article by Wayne Van Zwoll
http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/RifleCart/Rifles/Two35s.htm
Cool article by Wayne Van Zwoll
http://www.rmef.org/Hunting/RifleCart/Rifles/Two35s.htm
Silent Sam
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Not an internet picture poster. It was expanded down to the shank with a little lead left on the petals.
Having been in Newfoundland I would be reluctant to spend the money and make the trip and limit my range w/ a 45-70. Your useable range may be greater. It is likely you'll get within 45-70 range but there are some open areas across bogs and down logging roads where some more reach would be preferable. Some areas you'll be lucky to get 20yds clear. Alder thickets are tough to shoot through.
Having been in Newfoundland I would be reluctant to spend the money and make the trip and limit my range w/ a 45-70. Your useable range may be greater. It is likely you'll get within 45-70 range but there are some open areas across bogs and down logging roads where some more reach would be preferable. Some areas you'll be lucky to get 20yds clear. Alder thickets are tough to shoot through.
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JD338":32jclfeg said:
Nobody said you had to use a 'common" cup and core bullet. :lol: All I said was at the top velocities achieveable with the .35 Whelen, I didn't think a premium bullet was necessary. I based my comment on two good friends who hunt moose just about every years. One of those friends drew a coveted tag for grizzly bear and went with the 250 gr. Speer Hot Core. Apparently he had a lot of confidence in that bullet having used it for years. Kind of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." thing. :wink: In one of his long out of print books, the late great Elmer Keith once said something like this. "I prefer to let every man scratch his own fleas in whatever manner he chooses." Me too. :lol: :lol: :lol:
To repeat myself, I said a premium bulet was not necessary. I never said you couldn't use one. Whatever floats your boat. After the success and performance on my elk late last year, I'd probably go with the barnes TSX on any other elk hunt and if I was lucky enough to get a chance to hunt moose of "Brer Grizz", I probably would go with the Barnes on the bear too. However, if I should lose my ammo, I wouldn't think I was hurting using a 250 gr. Remington factory load on any of the above. I'd just sneak a tad closer. :lol: 8)
Paul B.
