358 STA

I used the Hornady 250's and they were too tough for elk. The entry hole was the same size as the exit half the time. At that time there were very few bullets I'd consider "good" for the fast 35's. The 225 ballistic tips were coming out just as I retired the rifle. They had the same heavy shank as the .338's. Now everything is AB in the heavy calibers. For elk I doubt it matters which you shoot. Anything from 225gr on up will put the hurt to them. I've had 3 or 4 .358STA's and all of them were accurate. Believe it or not a friend and I built big heavy barrel guns in .358STA to shoot rockchucks with. Even the lightest bullets were too tough to get the wanted "explosive" effect.
 
We both did .375's too. My buddy actually did a .416 RUM as well. Past the .308 calibers most of the bullets are too tough. I had high hopes for the single shot pistol bullets in the .35's but they wouldn't do anything the .30 magnums wouldn't do better. The single shot pistol bullets in the 7 STW are pretty impressive though. I watched a friend literally vaporize a crow. It was a red and black mist.
 
IdahoCTD, thanks for the info. What powders did you use in the STA? I read somewhere that RL22 is a good one.
 
I used IMR4350 and H4831 in the .358STA. Most of my guns liked the H4831 better. There are so many more powders available today I'm sure there is something better by now. I probably haven't shot my .358 in 8-10years and I built it about a year after it was designed (early 90's I believe). I just build them, shoot them for 4-5 years (or until I find something better), and then retire them to safe queens. I'm kind of at the end of going up in calibers now though because I found my limit for recoil, it's called a .458 Lott. Mostly I build stuff from 7mm to .416 although I built a .243 Ackley that I have yet to stock and shoot. I really prefer .338's to .416's for elk (really I like .375's and .416's). The 7's and .30's are for deer/antelope/caribou/etc but I've killed a ton of stuff with my .416 Rem.

In the late 80's I bought a lathe and my friend bought a mill and we tought ourselves gunsmithing. In doing so we built well over 100 custom barreled rifles and screwed up quite a few along the way. For about 3-4 years we had the 20+ barrel discount from Hart and then we started trying others when we got a few duds. We had discount pricing for Lilja and Schneider for several years too. Of the major named barrel companies I have used almost all of them except for a few of the newer companies. Not many people have heard of a company called Blackstar but they do barrel polishing and they use to use cut rifled barrels by K&P (if I remember right). I have a phenominally accurate .338 Baer on one of their barrels. I've kept probably close to 40 of the custom rifles I've built along the way. My buddy is the opposite. He has about 5 or 6 and sells everything else off. I even have my first custom wildcat rifle. It's a Interarms Mark X action with a Douglas chromoly barrel in 7mm-.300 Win. Mag. complete with a crappy cold bluing job on the barrel by yours truely. I had a lot more time and money for it in my 20's then i do now though.
 
Boomer,
You are THE MAN with that 358 STA. Now that is the Mother Load Cannon of the 35's. That thing is the Ultimate HAMMER. Good choice buddy.

Don
 
DON":2dfwadn1 said:
Boomer,
You are THE MAN with that 358 STA. Now that is the Mother Load Cannon of the 35's. That thing is the Ultimate HAMMER. Good choice buddy.

Don

I keep thinking if the Ruger 300WM doesn't sell it will become a 35 or 9.3-375 Ruger. Not because I need it but I think it would be a neat cartridge and a hammer with some heavyweight PTs or ABs. Scotty
 
beretzs":2p43pha6 said:
DON":2p43pha6 said:
Boomer,
You are THE MAN with that 358 STA. Now that is the Mother Load Cannon of the 35's. That thing is the Ultimate HAMMER. Good choice buddy.

Don

I keep thinking if the Ruger 300WM doesn't sell it will become a 35 or 9.3-375 Ruger. Not because I need it but I think it would be a neat cartridge and a hammer with some heavyweight PTs or ABs. Scotty

Scotty is scarry how much we think alike :shock:. Jory and I were talking about the 9.3-375R yesterday because nobody has one, and the 9.3 bullets have great BC and SD numbers!

I also wouldn't want Dr. Mike to be the only member of the 9.3 club :lol:
 
I also wouldn't want Dr. Mike to be the only member of the 9.3 club

There have been a few posters that spoke of owning a 9.3 X 62. However, I believe they were in Norway. Surely, there are some people around here with 9.3 calibre rifles!
 
DrMike":36qxoyw7 said:
I also wouldn't want Dr. Mike to be the only member of the 9.3 club

There have been a few posters that spoke of owning a 9.3 X 62. However, I believe they were in Norway. Surely, there are some people around here with 9.3 calibre rifles!

I'm thinking my next available opportunity will have that rifle sent off to PacNor for one or the other. I like them 9.3 bullets and they seem like they can be ran pretty hard.

Mike, would you mind posting the QL data again with a 250 or 286. Scotty
 
9.3X62 with 250 grain AB

Cartridge : 9.3 x 62
Bullet : .366, 250, Nosler AccuBond 59756
Useable Case Capaci: 63.960 grain H2O = 4.153 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N550

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 86 52.00 2055 2343 27970 6777 86.6 1.524
-18.0 88 53.30 2108 2467 29895 7011 88.0 1.482
-16.0 91 54.60 2162 2594 31960 7239 89.3 1.441
-14.0 93 55.90 2216 2725 34184 7462 90.6 1.400
-12.0 95 57.20 2270 2860 36573 7677 91.8 1.362
-10.0 97 58.50 2324 2998 39147 7885 92.9 1.320
-08.0 99 59.80 2379 3141 41919 8084 93.9 1.280
-06.0 101 61.10 2433 3287 44905 8273 94.9 1.240
-04.0 104 62.40 2488 3437 48142 8452 95.8 1.202 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 106 63.70 2543 3590 51640 8619 96.6 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 108 65.00 2598 3747 55428 8774 97.3 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 110 66.30 2653 3907 59538 8915 98.0 1.095 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 112 67.60 2708 4071 63976 9043 98.5 1.062 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 114 68.90 2763 4239 68781 9155 99.0 1.030 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 117 70.20 2819 4410 74007 9252 99.4 0.998 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 119 71.50 2874 4584 79703 9331 99.7 0.968 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 108 65.00 2731 4141 67748 8650 100.0 1.043 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 108 65.00 2420 3252 44304 8420 90.3 1.242


9.3X62 with 286 PT

Cartridge : 9.3 x 62
Bullet : .366, 286, Nosler PART SP 44750
Useable Case Capaci: 64.040 grain H2O = 4.158 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Vihtavuori N550

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 83 50.00 1941 2394 28381 6825 89.9 1.616
-18.0 85 51.25 1990 2515 30278 7045 91.1 1.572
-16.0 87 52.50 2039 2640 32331 7259 92.2 1.530
-14.0 89 53.75 2088 2768 34519 7466 93.3 1.488
-12.0 91 55.00 2137 2899 36862 7665 94.3 1.448
-10.0 93 56.25 2185 3033 39377 7856 95.2 1.404
-08.0 95 57.50 2234 3171 42075 8037 96.1 1.362
-06.0 97 58.75 2283 3311 44974 8209 96.8 1.322
-04.0 99 60.00 2332 3454 48070 8369 97.5 1.283
-02.0 102 61.25 2381 3601 51370 8519 98.1 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 104 62.50 2430 3750 54909 8656 98.6 1.209 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 106 63.75 2479 3902 58713 8780 99.1 1.174 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 108 65.00 2527 4056 62805 8891 99.4 1.140 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 110 66.25 2576 4213 67213 8987 99.7 1.108 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 112 67.50 2624 4373 71969 9068 99.9 1.076 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 114 68.75 2672 4535 77108 9134 100.0 1.046 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 104 62.50 2542 4104 66590 8402 100.0 1.120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 104 62.50 2275 3287 43865 8445 92.8 1.327

Either would hit hard and put game down quite cleanly.

RL17 gives a slightly better pressure curve (more extended over time).

Cartridge : 9.3 x 62
Bullet : .366, 286, Nosler PART SP 44750
Useable Case Capaci: 64.040 grain H2O = 4.158 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 79 48.80 1962 2445 29665 6773 91.7 1.573
-18.0 81 50.02 2010 2566 31575 6985 92.8 1.531
-16.0 83 51.24 2058 2689 33611 7190 93.9 1.489
-14.0 85 52.46 2106 2816 35779 7387 94.9 1.449
-12.0 87 53.68 2154 2946 38088 7574 95.8 1.408
-10.0 89 54.90 2202 3078 40552 7751 96.7 1.368
-08.0 91 56.12 2250 3213 43182 7918 97.4 1.328
-06.0 93 57.34 2297 3351 45991 8073 98.1 1.291
-04.0 95 58.56 2345 3492 48993 8215 98.6 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 97 59.78 2393 3635 52207 8345 99.1 1.219 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 99 61.00 2440 3780 55649 8460 99.4 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 100 62.22 2487 3928 59341 8562 99.7 1.152 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 102 63.44 2534 4078 63305 8648 99.9 1.120 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 104 64.66 2581 4230 67567 8718 100.0 1.089 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 106 65.88 2627 4383 72161 8775 100.0 1.059 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 108 67.10 2673 4539 77115 8827 100.0 1.030 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 99 61.00 2542 4105 66271 8123 100.0 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 99 61.00 2293 3340 46026 8357 94.5 1.290

Cartridge : 9.3 x 62
Bullet : .366, 250, Nosler AccuBond 59756
Useable Case Capaci: 63.960 grain H2O = 4.153 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.291 inch = 83.59 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 81 50.40 2065 2367 29072 6669 88.1 1.493
-18.0 84 51.66 2117 2488 30989 6899 89.5 1.452
-16.0 86 52.92 2169 2612 33033 7122 90.8 1.412
-14.0 88 54.18 2222 2740 35219 7338 92.0 1.374
-12.0 90 55.44 2274 2871 37556 7546 93.1 1.335
-10.0 92 56.70 2327 3006 40056 7745 94.2 1.295
-08.0 94 57.96 2380 3144 42736 7934 95.2 1.257
-06.0 96 59.22 2433 3286 45608 8112 96.1 1.220
-04.0 98 60.48 2486 3431 48690 8279 96.9 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 61.74 2539 3580 52004 8432 97.6 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 63.00 2593 3731 55569 8572 98.2 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 64.26 2646 3886 59411 8698 98.8 1.084 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 65.52 2699 4043 63561 8808 99.2 1.052 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 66.78 2752 4204 68045 8903 99.6 1.022 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 68.04 2805 4367 72904 8980 99.8 0.993 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 69.30 2857 4532 78178 9040 100.0 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 63.00 2717 4099 66169 8344 100.0 1.037 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 63.00 2423 3259 45967 8280 91.7 1.218
 
DrMike,

Would you be able to run some STA loads through QL please?

Thanks!
 
boomer68,

What bullet are you interested in? The Nosler Manual lists a maximum charge of 88.5 grains of IMR 7828 with the 250 grain PT, and a maximum charge of 85.5 grains of N160 with either the 225 grain AB or the 225 grain PT. These are pressure tested and would be considered safe maximum charges in chambers matching theirs. Interestingly enough, QL treats the 358 STA as a wildcat. Therefore, it is necessary to plug in some numbers.
 
DrMike,

Maybe the 250gr Noslers, Hornady and Woodleigh as a start.

Thanks!
 
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