416 Taylor

[JD338]

Pretty cool round.
The 416 Taylor conversion is a s straight forward as it gets.
And efficiency, just under 78.0 grs of RL17 push a 400 gr bullet at 2475!
That is all you need for anything on the globe.

JD338

I know! And how much powder does the Rigby use to get 2400 fps with a 400?????

Fotis,

103.0 grs H4350. I shot one a couple weeks ago. :mrgreen:
I'm still rather partial to the 416 Wby though.

JD338

 

[LD375]

That beast well be a Hammer Jim! :grin:

Lou

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge          : .416 Taylor
Bullet             : .416, 350, Speer MAG-TIP 2477
Useable Case Capaci: 78.573 grain H2O = 5.102 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64840 psi, or 447 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

88 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-17                 110.0     83.6     5.42    2658    99.9    62908    7908   1.143  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                       109.8     84.1     5.45    2630    97.2    64840    7895   1.143  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     109.8     84.1     5.45    2630    97.2    64840    7895   1.143  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame                    108.3     81.0     5.25    2620    99.8    64840    7481   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  108.5     81.1     5.26    2618    99.8    64840    7470   1.146  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           104.6     75.7     4.91    2605    99.9    64840    7386   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       99.7     78.8     5.10    2595   100.0    64840    7219   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         105.9     76.7     4.97    2594    99.8    64840    7297   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                       105.3     76.3     4.94    2593    99.7    64840    7335   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 105.3     76.3     4.94    2593    99.7    64840    7335   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation         105.3     76.3     4.94    2593    99.7    64840    7335   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      107.6     78.8     5.10    2593   100.0    64840    7198   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      97.1     75.7     4.90    2588   100.0    64840    6919   1.156  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      110.0     78.8     5.11    2585   100.0    64840    7122   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       106.4     78.7     5.10    2578    98.9    64840    7375   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                      101.6     73.6     4.77    2577   100.0    64840    7111   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                       109.8     77.8     5.04    2576    99.9    64840    7134   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                           105.5     71.4     4.63    2574   100.0    64840    6539   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                       101.8     73.8     4.78    2573    99.8    64840    7143   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                           107.2     76.4     4.95    2572    99.8    64840    7048   1.151  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    110.0     81.4     5.28    2571    98.6    59382    7718   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                102.5     79.1     5.12    2568    98.9    64840    7281   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   102.5     76.7     4.97    2567    99.8    64840    7098   1.162  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      102.2     76.3     4.94    2565   100.0    64840    6710   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       102.2     76.3     4.94    2565   100.0    64840    6710   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                 98.8     74.7     4.84    2560   100.0    64840    6893   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        96.9     75.5     4.89    2559   100.0    64840    6917   1.170  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         96.1     74.5     4.83    2559   100.0    64840    6876   1.165  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                         106.4     75.0     4.86    2552   100.0    64840    6823   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                       100.5     78.4     5.08    2551    99.8    64840    6891   1.164  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                        107.2     75.4     4.89    2550    99.5    64840    7042   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                     107.6     75.4     4.89    2550    99.5    64840    7042   1.161  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   100.3     77.9     5.05    2547    98.8    64840    7076   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530                     97.8     71.2     4.61    2547   100.0    64840    6783   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      105.2     72.0     4.67    2547   100.0    64840    6435   1.197  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                    104.8     76.7     4.97    2546   100.0    64840    6715   1.169  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation       107.5     78.5     5.09    2544    97.2    64840    7166   1.153  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        92.4     73.0     4.73    2542   100.0    64840    6571   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           108.4     74.2     4.81    2542    99.6    64840    6887   1.166  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                          102.5     73.0     4.73    2541   100.0    64840    6552   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           98.5     72.9     4.73    2540   100.0    64840    6782   1.181  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                       100.0     72.4     4.69    2540   100.0    64840    6717   1.168  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   92.1     71.2     4.62    2538   100.0    64840    6528   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation       109.7     79.0     5.12    2537    98.1    64840    7053   1.160  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223)        92.0     71.3     4.62    2537   100.0    64840    6519   1.172  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                       107.5     79.0     5.12    2534    96.3    64840    7226   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                      104.9     73.2     4.75    2531   100.0    64840    6688   1.182  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       95.6     74.3     4.81    2528   100.0    64840    6533   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        95.6     74.3     4.81    2528   100.0    64840    6533   1.185  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         92.0     68.8     4.46    2528   100.0    64840    6335   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        97.9     68.8     4.46    2528   100.0    64840    6335   1.167  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp                    100.3     70.3     4.55    2525   100.0    64840    6043   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation       99.7     70.3     4.55    2525   100.0    64840    6043   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                90.2     70.0     4.53    2523   100.0    64840    6367   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      100.9     69.4     4.50    2516   100.0    64840    6408   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230                       93.9     72.9     4.72    2515   100.0    64840    6423   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4                        93.9     72.9     4.72    2515   100.0    64840    6423   1.183  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                    104.6     74.3     4.81    2515   100.0    64840    6285   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation       101.0     72.6     4.71    2512    99.9    64840    6598   1.171  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                      110.0     74.5     4.83    2511   100.0    59256    6654   1.235  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      110.0     78.2     5.07    2511    96.0    62733    7176   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         92.9     69.5     4.50    2504   100.0    64840    6406   1.175  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  97.6     72.1     4.67    2502   100.0    64840    6197   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                         101.7     71.6     4.64    2502    99.8    64840    6568   1.173  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   98.8     70.5     4.57    2498   100.0    64840    6373   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             91.0     70.2     4.55    2497   100.0    64840    6355   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                        100.9     72.3     4.69    2492    99.9    64840    6470   1.174  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                          110.0     78.8     5.11    2492    97.9    53339    7457   1.242
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         110.0     78.8     5.11    2491    97.9    53285    7453   1.242
Accurate 2200                       90.3     66.4     4.30    2487   100.0    64840    6180   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                     110.0     82.3     5.33    2487    95.9    53213    7617   1.241
Norma 204                          110.0     82.3     5.33    2485    92.9    56901    7439   1.213
Lovex S065                         110.0     77.9     5.05    2485    97.5    59093    7095   1.219  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 95.4     65.2     4.22    2482   100.0    64840    5949   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                      108.3     81.0     5.25    2481    95.9    64840    6748   1.182  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                    110.0     72.2     4.68    2481   100.0    61414    6069   1.204  ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39             92.1     68.1     4.41    2479   100.0    64840    5800   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015                       96.9     67.9     4.40    2474   100.0    64840    5883   1.193  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                       102.2     72.4     4.69    2473   100.0    64840    6032   1.189  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                         110.0     78.8     5.11    2464    95.8    56095    7219   1.242
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation        91.1     64.0     4.15    2453   100.0    64840    5817   1.176  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133                    104.1     69.0     4.47    2451   100.0    64840    5699   1.184  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       110.0     80.9     5.24    2451    94.7    53991    7250   1.246
Somchem S365                       110.0     79.2     5.13    2448    99.5    47372    7357   1.294
IMR 4350                           110.0     79.2     5.13    2441    94.5    55247    7055   1.237
Hodgdon H4198                       91.7     62.4     4.04    2440   100.0    64840    5682   1.179  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130                     98.2     66.5     4.31    2436   100.0    64840    5628   1.192  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198                            94.8     61.6     3.99    2435   100.0    64840    5518   1.180  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                    110.0     75.2     4.87    2432    99.9    55162    6560   1.249
Kazan Sunar 308W                    93.6     66.3     4.30    2431   100.0    64840    5610   1.194  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207                         90.1     61.0     3.95    2421   100.0    64840    5484   1.199  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     77.1     4.99    2399    98.6    48836    6845   1.290
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          110.0     79.7     5.16    2397    91.2    50620    7184   1.276
Raufoss RA4                        110.0     79.7     5.16    2397    91.2    50620    7184   1.276
Hodgdon H4350                      110.0     77.9     5.05    2394    93.6    51882    6931   1.271
Accurate 4350                      110.0     76.2     4.94    2376    96.3    44915    7225   1.347
Vihtavuori N120                     92.6     61.2     3.97    2373   100.0    64840    5104   1.208  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        110.0     79.2     5.13    2371    90.3    48633    7203   1.296
Alliant Reloder-19                 110.0     79.7     5.16    2358    90.2    46694    7233   1.318
Rottweil R904                      110.0     78.5     5.09    2352    89.5    49899    6852   1.293
IMR 4831                           110.0     76.3     4.94    2351    96.3    44540    7026   1.350
Somchem S361                       110.0     84.9     5.50    2350    88.7    51627    6748   1.285
Winchester Supreme 780             110.0     84.0     5.44    2350    90.3    49375    6943   1.294
Norma MRP                          110.0     83.1     5.39    2345    90.1    42204    7747   1.366
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.0     79.7     5.16    2334    89.7    45627    7114   1.334
Somchem S385                       110.0     80.5     5.22    2319    91.3    44207    6995   1.358
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     81.8     5.30    2305    85.3    44315    7224   1.349
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.0     80.5     5.22    2290    85.9    45747    6799   1.340
Vihtavuori N560                    110.0     81.4     5.28    2283    84.0    40926    7336   1.394
ADI AR 2213                        110.0     80.5     5.22    2282    85.0    43690    7080   1.360
Raufoss RA15                       110.0     80.5     5.22    2276    87.2    40116    7269   1.404
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       110.0     80.5     5.22    2276    87.2    40116    7269   1.404
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.0     80.5     5.22    2276    87.2    40116    7269   1.404
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.0     84.7     5.49    2241    80.7    39475    7167   1.420
Rottweil R905                      110.0     79.1     5.12    2211    83.5    39044    6756   1.431
Winchester WXR                     110.0     78.8     5.11    2204    85.2    36725    6996   1.463
Hodgdon H4831                      110.0     77.4     5.02    2186    83.3    39853    6439   1.426
Vihtavuori N160                    110.0     76.4     4.95    2171    85.3    39978    6183   1.431
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       110.0     81.2     5.26    2167    79.5    39472    6467   1.435
Vihtavuori N165                    110.0     78.8     5.11    2167    87.2    38006    6342   1.455
Ramshot Magnum                     110.0     85.3     5.53    2155    80.4    37455    6861   1.463
IMR 7828                           110.0     77.4     5.02    2152    81.1    36507    6642   1.474
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  110.0     85.0     5.51    2148    80.3    37100    6833   1.469
PB Clermont PCL 517                110.0     85.0     5.51    2143    80.0    36913    6809   1.473
Alliant Reloder-25                 110.0     79.2     5.13    2134    86.8    33442    6953   1.520
ADI AP 2214                        110.0     82.7     5.36    2125    79.7    37915    6449   1.464
Accurate 3100                      110.0     75.3     4.88    2064    87.3    30350    6261   1.589
Lovex S071                         110.0     75.3     4.88    2064    87.3    30350    6261   1.589
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     79.7     5.16    2027    77.2    29418    6474   1.620
Hodgdon H1000                      110.0     78.8     5.11    1988    75.1    31689    5862   1.578
Vihtavuori N570                    110.0     84.0     5.44    1961    65.8    28988    6167   1.641
Alliant Reloder 33                 110.0     87.6     5.67    1943    65.9    28972    6099   1.647
Hodgdon Retumbo                    110.0     80.1     5.19    1913    73.6    26991    5946   1.678
Lovex D100                         110.0     85.7     5.56    1906    64.0    31059    5177   1.623
Vihtavuori N170                    110.0     78.8     5.11    1889    68.2    27127    5360   1.705
Vihtavuori 24N41                   110.0     84.9     5.50    1863    59.0    29331    5094   1.665
Rottweil P805                       90.0     32.3     2.09    1827   100.0    64840    2817   1.372  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218                        110.0     84.9     5.50    1818    55.3    27421    5007   1.712
Hodgdon H870                       110.0     82.3     5.33    1783    61.3    23368    5293   1.812
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star           103.8     37.5     2.43    1761   100.0    64840    2484   1.409  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG                      110.0     80.9     5.24    1725    51.7    23752    4550   1.818
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0     84.3     5.46    1715    53.1    20692    4938   1.893
Hodgdon US 869                     110.0     84.9     5.50    1711    53.9    23394    4542   1.835
Alliant Reloder-50                 110.0     86.2     5.58    1687    54.6    20460    5019   1.911
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  110.0     81.4     5.28    1669    57.2    20924    4532   1.915
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       110.0     8

 

[Rem Jim]

Thks Fotis - 2650 fps with a 350 gr-er will get er done ! :shock: :grin:

Cheers RJ

 

[andrewctillman]

MAY I SUGGEST A SERIOUS 350 GRAIN BULLET FOR BIG GAME?

DONT USE THE SPEER. TRY THE THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY GRAIN NORTH FORK INSTEAD. IT IS BONDED SOLID BASE LIKE A TBBC BUT BETTER. (BARNES BORROWED THEIR USE OF GROOVED BEARING SURFACE TO REDUCE COPPER FOULING AND PRESSURE).

I SHOT A BUFFAO AT POINT BLANK RANGE IN 2005 WITH A 400 AND 450 GRAIN .458 NORTH FORK AT 2750 FPS AND 2550 FPS. THE 450 HAS SIMILAR SD AS THE THREE HUNDRED SEVENTY GRAIN FOUR SIXTEEN.

I GOT EIGHTY FIVE CALIBER AND NINETY PERCENT WEIGHT RETENTION AND A BIG BULDGE ON OFFSIDE SHOULDER WHERE BULLETS WERE RECOVERED. EVEN AFTER BREAKING BOTH FEMURS WITH THE LITTLE FOUR HUNDRED GRAIN. I DONT THINK ANY OTHER BULLET OF THAT SD AND VELOCITY COULD DO THAT.

DONT FOOL YOURSELF ABOUT TAYLOR THOUGH. LOOK AT PSI OF THE HIGHER VELOCITY LOADS. YOU DONT WANT TO GO THERE AT ONE HUNDRED TWENTY DEGREES F ON A SAND RIVER IN ZIMBABWAE TRACKING ELEPHANT.

I KNOW A FELOW WHO LOVES THE TAYLOR AND HAS KILLED MANY BULL ELEPHANTS WITH IT USING WOODLEIGH FMJ RN. KNOCK ONE HUNDRED FEET PER SECOND OFF THOSE QUICKLOAD MAXIMUM VELOCITIES FOR THE DARK CONTINENT.

ONLY PURPOSE FOR A TAYLOR IS LIGHT WEIGHT COMPARED TO A REMINGTON OR RIGBY. SO CONSIDER A FAIRLY LIGHT AND SHORT BARRREL?

ALSO LOOK AT THE GOOD OLD FOUR O FOUR JEFFERY.

GOOD HUNTING.

 

[JD338]

Good point on the pressures. That is why the old classic African rounds are favored, they are rum at lower pressures. If you want faster speeds, get a bigger engine (case).

JD338

 

[Rem Jim]

Tks for the info - i am building this 416 fairley light - A #3 taper sporter barrel 21 " lenght i have decided - i will prob use a B & C stock for it :grin:

Cheers RJ

 

[FOTIS]

Here is a teaser for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU63N8skDT8

Doubletap AMMO

 

[gerry]

Tks for the info - i am building this 416 fairley light - A #3 taper sporter barrel 21 " lenght i have decided - i will prob use a B & C stock for it :grin:

Cheers RJ

A #3 sounds pretty light for 416 Taylor are you sure you don't want to go slightly heavier?

 

[Rem Jim]

Tks for the info - i am building this 416 fairley light - A #3 taper sporter barrel 21 " lenght i have decided - i will prob use a B & C stock for it :grin:

Cheers RJ

A #3 sounds pretty light for 416 Taylor are you sure you don't want to go slightly heavier?

Ok maybe a 4 at most ! I need it light im getting old :shock: unless you pack it for me ! :grin: RJ

 

[Rem Jim]

Here is a teaser for you!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU63N8skDT8

Doubletap AMMO

Shes a BEAUTY for sure ! :grin: Bears are gonna Hate her ! :shock: :lol: RJ

 

[JD338]

Man, that is going to be one slick feeding round.

JD338

 

[Blkram]

Hello Rem Jim,

I'm on my second 416 Taylor...
Bought the first one, a used rifle built by Ralf Martini on a blued right handed Ruger action, with a 22" barrel back in '98. At the time I had some 350 gr Swift A-Frames that came with the rifle, but thought that they were too expensive to use for load development. So after talking to Barnes, played with the 325 and 350 gr X Bullets and IMR 3031. Which I had found a good supply at a cheaper price. Do not recall the exact loads, but do recall that I used the same charge as they recommended for the 400 gr X, and got very accurate groups at 100 yards (three bullets all touching in a classic cloverleaf pattern) with open sights, and decent recoil.(Found that it felt less than my 338 Win Mag with 225 gr ammo). Was a pleasure to shoot. The fellow that now owns the rifle took a nice elk running through the aspens, and had the bullet kill the elk after completely penetrating a 10" aspen that he did not recall seeing as the elk ran across in front of him at just under 100 yards!
I had always said that I would get another, but on a left handed rifle. Finally had the rifle commissioned about 6 years ago. Took them 3 years to build the rifle as I was not in a big hurry, and also wanted to get the properly head stamped brass from Quality Cartridge in to use in this rifle (which took a while to get).
It is on a left handed Ruger action, with a 22" King barrel in a Wenig pepper laminated stock. I had the barrelled action tefloned, and had two cross bolts installed in the stock, and it is pillar bedded and glass bedded as well. I had a banded front sight installed, and have a removable NECG peep sight made for the Ruger integral rear base, for when I need a back up sight. I do intend to get a Trijicon 1-4 scope with a green triangle/post reticle for this rifle. Unfortunately, with other priorities since |I have brought this rifle home, I have not sat down at the bench to start loading for this rifle. But it is on my priority list for this spring. Since I will not be going to Africa for a couple of years, I will be focusing on the 350 gr bullets first for some serious bear and bison hunting.
A great cartridge with plenty of frontal area on bullets that will penetrate like crazy, and won't kill your shoulder. The cartridge will handle anything that walks, has proven field performance on the biggest of the big 6, and will tame the nastiest of our bears with bad attitudes that we could ever come across. And quite a bit of load data out there for it. A recipe for fun, and something a little more unique than what most of the guys at the range will be shooting.
Oh, and the Boyd's stocks are not overly pricey, but not sure for your action. But definitely install cross bolts.

 

[FOTIS]

That 450 gr at 2200 fps will penetrate more than the 458 Lott!

 

[Rem Jim]

That 450 gr at 2200 fps will penetrate more than the 458 Lott!

And that is a LOTT of pentration ! :grin: lol

Cheers RJ

 

[gerry]

Just the ticket for deer in the Queen Charlottes you could probably fill all 5 tags with one shot :mrgreen:

 

[andrewctillman]

Fotis,

A 450 grain 416 soft point at 2200 fps will not necessarily out penetrate a Lott with a 500 grain at 2200 fps.

Energy divided by unit of frontal area predicts penetration of a FMJ of identical design and configuration pretty well but does not take into acconut stability.

But penetration of a soft point depends almost entirely on how much frontal area the bullet develops. In emperical tests on ballistic media and buffalo, an expanding 400 grain .458 can equal the penetration of a 400 grain .416 even though the .416 has much greater SD. In my tests of hundreds of bullets in water buckets penetration is governed by FA of the expanded bullet.

It is difficult to test large bore FMJ's because they penetrate so much water or gelatin. FMJRN veer off course when they "tumble" which they invarably do, and FN solids penetrate way more than they do in elephants. 3/4 inch pine boards spaced one inch apart like Mike Lagrange used in Kruger many years ago correlates more closely than water when comparing both FMJ RN and FN bullets.

It is easy and fun to test your statement, and I hope you will give it a try.

the heavy for caliber FMJ or monometals definately penetrate more than the lighter for calibers in a solid. (About 20% more as i recall).

yet I prefer the lighter bonded soft points because they do so much more damage with their large temporary cavity.

after much experimentation and a buffalo and elephant I came up with use a heavy FN for elephant and a lighter bonded solid base for everything else.

The heavy for caliber bullets like the 450 grain .416 has real problems with stability even with a quick twist once it hits flesh and bone.

I will try to upload my FMJ and premium .458 tests to the bullet test site.

Dont get me wrong, I like the 416 Taylor. the short bolt throw is a big advantage, as much or more so than the light weight. I used a 3.75 inch long Magnum Mauser style action (highly modified CZ550) and the bolt actually dips down on full extraction and slows down the bolt throw. Though I operated it pretty fast when I ran into a tuskless cow at nine paces. Could have done it faster w the short .416, and been less winded after carrying my 450 Dakota land cannon 20 miles after buffalo.

Andy

 

[FOTIS]

Yes you're correct. I was speaking in theoretical terms.

Theoretically speaking given the same construction of the bullets the one with the greatest Sectional density will penetrate more in the same exact media.

416 450 .371
450 500 .310

 

[JD338]

Yes you're correct. I was speaking in theoretical terms.

Theoretically speaking given the same construction of the bullets the one with the greatest Sectional density will penetrate more in the same exact media.

416 450 .371
450 500 .310

Either one will penetrate into tomorrow.

JD338

 

[FOTIS]

Practically speaking yes!