6.5x284 load data please
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DrMike
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Cartridge : 6.5-284 Norma
Bullet : .264, 143, Hornady ELD-X 2635 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 61.232 grain H2O = 3.976 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 99 56.07 2605 2154 40842 13949 98.0 1.384
-09.0 100 56.69 2638 2210 42315 14097 98.4 1.360
-08.0 101 57.32 2672 2266 43849 14235 98.8 1.337
-07.0 102 57.94 2705 2324 45445 14362 99.1 1.314
-06.0 103 58.56 2739 2381 47105 14479 99.4 1.291
-05.0 104 59.19 2772 2440 48834 14584 99.6 1.269
-04.0 105 59.81 2805 2499 50635 14678 99.8 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 106 60.43 2839 2558 52511 14759 99.9 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 108 61.05 2872 2618 54465 14829 100.0 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 109 61.68 2905 2679 56504 14886 100.0 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 62.30 2938 2740 58629 14938 100.0 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 111 62.92 2970 2801 60849 14988 100.0 1.144 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 112 63.55 3003 2863 63164 15037 100.0 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 113 64.17 3035 2925 65583 15084 100.0 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 64.79 3068 2988 68113 15130 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 115 65.42 3100 3051 70753 15174 100.0 1.067 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 62.30 3082 3016 73274 14287 100.0 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 62.30 2717 2345 46556 15048 96.2 1.294DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
- 37,312
- 5,978
Code:
Cartridge : 6.5-284 Norma
Bullet : .264, 143, Hornady ELD-X 2635 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 61.232 grain H2O = 3.976 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon Retumbo
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 99 56.07 2605 2154 40842 13949 98.0 1.384
-09.0 100 56.69 2638 2210 42315 14097 98.4 1.360
-08.0 101 57.32 2672 2266 43849 14235 98.8 1.337
-07.0 102 57.94 2705 2324 45445 14362 99.1 1.314
-06.0 103 58.56 2739 2381 47105 14479 99.4 1.291
-05.0 104 59.19 2772 2440 48834 14584 99.6 1.269
-04.0 105 59.81 2805 2499 50635 14678 99.8 1.247 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 106 60.43 2839 2558 52511 14759 99.9 1.226 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 108 61.05 2872 2618 54465 14829 100.0 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 109 61.68 2905 2679 56504 14886 100.0 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 62.30 2938 2740 58629 14938 100.0 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 111 62.92 2970 2801 60849 14988 100.0 1.144 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 112 63.55 3003 2863 63164 15037 100.0 1.124 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 113 64.17 3035 2925 65583 15084 100.0 1.105 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 64.79 3068 2988 68113 15130 100.0 1.086 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 115 65.42 3100 3051 70753 15174 100.0 1.067 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 62.30 3082 3016 73274 14287 100.0 1.063 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 62.30 2717 2345 46556 15048 96.2 1.294DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
- 37,312
- 5,978
Some other powders to consider.
Code:
Cartridge : 6.5-284 Norma
Bullet : .264, 143, Hornady ELD-X 2635 G7
Useable Case Capaci: 61.232 grain H2O = 3.976 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.228 inch = 81.99 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59250 psi, or 408 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
30 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
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Vihtavuori N570 106.5 63.4 4.11 2965 95.7 59250 16622 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2218 110.0 66.2 4.29 2964 95.5 59250 16919 1.146 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 80 109.6 67.1 4.35 2959 96.7 59250 16438 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 108.3 66.3 4.30 2954 96.0 59250 16441 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.1 62.5 4.05 2947 100.0 59250 14952 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2225 110.1 62.5 4.05 2947 100.0 59250 14952 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 112.0 62.3 4.03 2922 99.9 57132 15394 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 94.4 57.3 3.71 2919 100.0 59250 14454 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 112.0 65.3 4.23 2917 97.0 57241 16031 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 100.3 60.4 3.92 2911 99.2 59250 14878 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 100.1 60.3 3.91 2910 99.3 59250 14849 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 105.3 59.5 3.85 2910 99.2 59250 15110 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 105.3 59.5 3.85 2910 99.2 59250 15110 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 103.1 57.9 3.75 2909 100.0 59250 14093 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 112.0 68.4 4.43 2903 94.7 56232 16578 1.216 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 95.4 56.2 3.64 2903 99.9 59250 14623 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 97.1 56.0 3.63 2902 98.4 59250 15030 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 92.7 55.7 3.61 2901 100.0 59250 14191 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 101.6 55.7 3.61 2897 98.8 59250 14604 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 96.1 55.7 3.61 2897 98.8 59250 14604 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 97.5 58.5 3.79 2895 97.3 59250 15158 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 101.2 59.3 3.84 2887 99.1 59250 14358 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 97.2 55.4 3.59 2885 98.8 59250 14460 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 106.4 59.4 3.85 2885 99.0 59250 14318 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 106.4 59.4 3.85 2885 99.0 59250 14318 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 97.4 55.6 3.60 2879 99.5 59250 14433 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 97.4 55.6 3.60 2879 99.5 59250 14433 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 97.4 55.6 3.60 2879 99.5 59250 14433 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 100.0 55.8 3.62 2878 99.4 59250 14451 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 100.0 55.8 3.62 2878 99.4 59250 14451 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 97.6 60.0 3.89 2868 99.8 59250 13897 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 100.8 58.0 3.76 2856 97.1 59250 14290 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 98.7 55.3 3.58 2853 98.4 59250 14136 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 108.6 65.3 4.23 2852 89.5 59250 14849 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 94.0 52.8 3.42 2845 99.4 59250 13690 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 99.6 55.0 3.56 2842 100.0 59250 12999 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 94.4 53.3 3.45 2842 99.4 59250 13747 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 95.2 53.7 3.48 2836 99.4 59250 13657 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 90.8 52.9 3.43 2835 100.0 59250 13365 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 90.1 52.5 3.40 2831 100.0 59250 13241 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 112.0 66.9 4.33 2829 86.7 57352 15525 1.225 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 91.3 50.2 3.25 2825 100.0 59250 12708 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 99.7 54.7 3.54 2824 98.2 59250 13637 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 95.8 54.7 3.54 2824 98.2 59250 13637 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 92.6 52.3 3.39 2822 99.3 59250 13417 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 92.6 52.3 3.39 2822 99.3 59250 13417 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 109.2 60.9 3.95 2811 94.1 59250 14092 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 91.2 51.2 3.32 2808 100.0 59250 12297 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 94.6 54.0 3.50 2806 99.8 59250 13148 1.190 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 93.5 55.6 3.60 2802 99.4 59250 13126 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 93.5 52.0 3.37 2798 98.7 59250 13128 1.169 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 90.4 51.8 3.36 2798 99.9 59250 12896 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 99.8 55.7 3.61 2796 99.7 59250 12890 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron 97.0 53.3 3.45 2792 98.3 59250 13186 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 94.0 50.8 3.29 2792 100.0 59250 12406 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 103.2 55.1 3.57 2791 100.0 59250 12764 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 97.6 55.1 3.57 2791 100.0 59250 12764 1.208 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D100 106.1 64.4 4.18 2787 90.4 59250 13760 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 99.9 54.1 3.50 2784 98.7 59250 12913 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 112.0 67.3 4.36 2773 88.0 54494 14540 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 92.7 55.7 3.61 2771 98.2 59250 12910 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 92.0 50.2 3.25 2768 100.0 59250 11721 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 112.0 64.2 4.16 2767 83.8 54341 14574 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7977 Enduron 101.7 56.8 3.68 2742 92.0 59250 12825 1.168 ! Near Maximum !- Thread starter
- #5
Looking at trying H-1000 in the 6.5-284. I have Hornady 143 gr ELD-X (#2635), 142 gr Nosler LRAB (#58922) and Hornady 140 gr SP Interlock (#2630) on hand. LR primers, both magnum and regular, plus WLR which claims to be both by some arcane magic. Lapua, Norma and Nosler brass.
My various trys with H-4831 have shown pressure signs rather below the max levels published, sometimes at or below the lowest published powder weight.
I am working with a 22" barrel, this is the factory barrel on a Savage 111. Not the "long range hunter" or other models with long barrels, the plain jane rifle they sell as a package with a mounted and (allegedly) bore sighted cheap 3-9X scope. That scope is long gone, as is the floppy Tupperware stock Savage sent it out the door with. Rifle is wearing a decent scope and is installed in an aftermarket stock with an aluminum chassis. I have killed 3 deer with it so far, using Barnes 120 TTSX and Hornady 140.
From the above and several other online resources, I conclude one could start the 143 ELD-X at 54 gr of H-1000, possibly working up from there, but not likely to much above 56 gr- Nonwithstanding the Quickloads entry at 59.4 gr above as "near maximum" I would tend to believe others who have tried this and state that 56 is about as high as one should go.
Hodgdon H1000 106.4 59.4 3.85 2885 99.0 59250 14318 1.153 !
Yes, I know I should be seeking reloading information from "reliable published sources", not anonymous people on web forums. However, I'm not finding the combination in my reloading manuals.
My various trys with H-4831 have shown pressure signs rather below the max levels published, sometimes at or below the lowest published powder weight.
I am working with a 22" barrel, this is the factory barrel on a Savage 111. Not the "long range hunter" or other models with long barrels, the plain jane rifle they sell as a package with a mounted and (allegedly) bore sighted cheap 3-9X scope. That scope is long gone, as is the floppy Tupperware stock Savage sent it out the door with. Rifle is wearing a decent scope and is installed in an aftermarket stock with an aluminum chassis. I have killed 3 deer with it so far, using Barnes 120 TTSX and Hornady 140.
From the above and several other online resources, I conclude one could start the 143 ELD-X at 54 gr of H-1000, possibly working up from there, but not likely to much above 56 gr- Nonwithstanding the Quickloads entry at 59.4 gr above as "near maximum" I would tend to believe others who have tried this and state that 56 is about as high as one should go.
Hodgdon H1000 106.4 59.4 3.85 2885 99.0 59250 14318 1.153 !
Yes, I know I should be seeking reloading information from "reliable published sources", not anonymous people on web forums. However, I'm not finding the combination in my reloading manuals.
You’re probably going to hit max a little faster in the Lapua than the Norma and Nosler.
Might want to check capacity on them.
If you want a little extra zip and don’t mind the expenditure, I’d consider screwing a longer barrel on especially if you’re going to use slower powders.
Might want to check capacity on them.
If you want a little extra zip and don’t mind the expenditure, I’d consider screwing a longer barrel on especially if you’re going to use slower powders.
I have a question about the above data. The OAL listed is quite long; could the 6.5-284 be squeezed into a short action using binderless AICS style mags with the VLD style bullets?
In other words could something like the 140g RDF be effectively loaded to around an OAL of 3.00”?
In other words could something like the 140g RDF be effectively loaded to around an OAL of 3.00”?
