64gr BSB in 223

[laylandad]

Has anyone experimented with W748 or H335 with these bullets in a 223/5.56? I know the Nosler #7 lists only 4 powders (IMR4895, Varget, Benchmark, CFE 223), I don't have any of these! Any help or advice is appreciated.

 

[FOTIS]

I can run a QL sim what I get home in 10 hours.

 

[laylandad]

That would be awesome! Thanks, FOTIS!

 

[FOTIS]

Sure thing!

 

[Guy Miner]

I bought some of those little 64 gr bonded rascals too... Looking forward to playing with them.

Am hoping Varget works well with them, 'cause I've got about 10 pounds of the stuff.

 

[FOTIS]

Cartridge          : .223 Rem.
Bullet             : .224, 65, Sierra SPBT 1395
Useable Case Capaci: 25.566 grain H2O = 1.660 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.260 inch = 57.40 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

85 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
IMR 3031                           110.0     24.2     1.57    3119   100.0    58407    7877   0.962  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                           109.1     25.7     1.67    3117    96.6    60000    8438   0.961  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                     101.5     25.7     1.67    3116    98.6    60000    8138   0.953  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp                    105.6     24.1     1.56    3109   100.0    60000    7262   0.953  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation      105.0     24.1     1.56    3109   100.0    60000    7262   0.953  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                      104.0     26.7     1.73    3108    97.7    60000    8308   0.961  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                       109.8     25.9     1.68    3097    95.9    60000    8310   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                 109.8     25.9     1.68    3097    95.9    60000    8310   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation         109.8     25.9     1.68    3097    95.9    60000    8310   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                       107.0     26.0     1.68    3096    99.1    60000    7966   0.969  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                      107.0     26.0     1.68    3096    99.1    60000    7966   0.969  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                      105.9     24.9     1.62    3091    97.1    60000    8183   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                      110.0     24.5     1.59    3089   100.0    58356    7769   0.998  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                         110.0     25.9     1.68    3089    96.4    59142    8288   0.968  ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300                93.6     22.6     1.47    3087   100.0    60000    7360   0.961  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                       106.1     25.0     1.62    3080    96.5    60000    8150   0.966  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                       102.2     23.4     1.52    3077    99.9    60000    7597   0.957  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219                         96.1     23.4     1.52    3077    99.9    60000    7597   0.957  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335                        96.3     24.8     1.61    3075    99.5    60000    7777   0.962  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                          106.9     24.8     1.61    3074    99.5    60000    7775   0.966  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10                   96.0     24.2     1.57    3073    99.4    60000    7758   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                102.9     25.3     1.64    3073    97.8    60000    7974   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                        100.1     25.3     1.64    3072    97.9    60000    7964   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223)        95.9     24.2     1.57    3071    99.4    60000    7747   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                       100.9     25.6     1.66    3071    98.0    60000    8004   0.968  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                    109.1     26.0     1.68    3068    99.4    60000    7852   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                   106.6     25.9     1.68    3068    96.4    60000    8045   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator                94.1     23.7     1.54    3065    99.8    60000    7605   0.966  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530                    101.8     24.1     1.56    3065    97.9    60000    7887   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39             96.8     23.3     1.51    3057   100.0    60000    6974   0.975  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                       104.0     24.5     1.59    3053    97.7    60000    7789   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                          102.7     24.7     1.60    3053    97.8    60000    7873   0.977  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                106.4     26.7     1.73    3051    94.0    60000    8047   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                      105.4     23.6     1.53    3048    99.4    60000    7660   0.987  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                       104.6     26.5     1.72    3047    96.2    60000    7811   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460                       99.8     25.2     1.63    3046    98.5    60000    7694   0.980  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5                        99.8     25.2     1.63    3046    98.5    60000    7694   0.980  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x                 99.7     22.2     1.44    3046   100.0    60000    7152   0.973  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                    109.1     25.2     1.63    3044    99.6    60000    7459   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                      109.3     24.8     1.61    3042    97.8    60000    7768   0.979  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                       110.0     26.5     1.72    3041    93.7    58447    8128   0.979  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                         110.0     25.2     1.63    3041    97.6    58307    7879   0.984  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                 101.6     24.4     1.58    3035    99.8    60000    7362   0.965  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame                    110.0     26.8     1.73    3035    95.1    54994    8261   0.989  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230                       97.9     24.7     1.60    3033    98.5    60000    7562   0.977  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4                        97.9     24.7     1.60    3033    98.5    60000    7562   0.977  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                           110.0     25.5     1.65    3032    95.6    57774    7898   0.969  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                      110.0     26.2     1.70    3030    96.6    54941    8161   1.004  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                   104.3     26.4     1.71    3029    93.9    60000    7860   0.974  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                  110.0     26.8     1.73    3029    95.0    54730    8237   0.991  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015                      101.3     23.1     1.50    3028   100.0    60000    7075   0.979  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 200                           90.5     22.1     1.43    3025   100.0    60000    6974   0.987  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210                         96.5     23.5     1.52    3020    98.4    60000    7498   0.969  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200                       93.7     22.4     1.45    3013    99.0    60000    7329   0.967  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation       104.8     24.5     1.59    3011    96.9    60000    7537   0.967  ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2                             94.3     23.7     1.53    3009    98.4    60000    7423   0.970  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                  102.5     23.8     1.54    3008    98.3    60000    7428   0.970  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                        110.0     25.2     1.63    3006    95.0    57632    7808   0.978  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198                            98.8     20.9     1.35    3002   100.0    60000    6633   0.959  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                       106.2     24.5     1.59    2998    99.8    60000    7159   0.980  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                         105.3     24.1     1.56    2997    96.4    60000    7467   0.970  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                     110.0     25.1     1.63    2996    94.8    56971    7784   0.982  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207                         94.1     20.7     1.34    2996   100.0    60000    6578   0.974  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133                    108.4     23.4     1.52    2993   100.0    60000    6817   0.969  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                 110.0     27.2     1.76    2991    94.0    50659    8594   1.019
ADI AR 2206                        104.4     24.3     1.58    2987    96.9    60000    7375   0.971  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder- 7                  93.2     21.3     1.38    2986   100.0    60000    6691   0.978  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation        94.4     21.6     1.40    2985    99.6    60000    6961   0.963  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130                    102.2     22.5     1.46    2984   100.0    60000    6724   0.975  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4198                       95.0     21.0     1.36    2976    99.7    60000    6836   0.964  ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W                    97.3     22.4     1.45    2974   100.0    60000    6702   0.977  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation       110.0     26.1     1.69    2971    90.3    58200    7643   0.973  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                           110.0     24.5     1.59    2965    94.8    55227    7633   0.999  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                     110.0     27.4     1.78    2962    88.2    52284    8165   1.014
Hodgdon H414                       110.0     27.4     1.78    2962    88.2    52284    8165   1.014
Somchem S355                       110.0     25.4     1.64    2953    95.3    51851    7885   1.031
IMR 4007 SSC                       110.0     26.3     1.70    2951    89.0    57189    7665   0.996  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                      110.0     25.6     1.66    2946    95.3    50477    7910   1.042
Vihtavuori N120                     96.6     20.8     1.35    2942   100.0    60000    6121   0.979  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S053                          90.2     19.1     1.24    2900   100.0    60000    5899   0.981  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation       110.0     25.8     1.67    2899    90.7    53254    7438   1.013  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                    110.0     26.5     1.72    2895    90.7    46890    8086   1.063
Vihtavuori N135                    110.0     23.5     1.52    2889    99.5    48150    7169   1.059
Accurate 4064                      110.0     24.2     1.57    2877    98.0    45498    7737   1.111
Accurate 2700                      110.0     26.8     1.73    2870    88.2    56136    7094   1.012  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      110.0     25.4     1.65    2846    87.1    50839    7391   1.049
Lovex S065                         110.0     25.4     1.64    2816    89.2    47476    7402   1.080
Norma URP                          110.0     25.6     1.66    2793    88.7    42465    7721   1.109
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         110.0     25.6     1.66    2792    88.7    42425    7715   1.110
Norma 204                          110.0     26.8     1.73    2775    81.8    46285    7363   1.077
Vihtavuori N150                    110.0     24.5     1.58    2774    94.7    43524    7185   1.107
Ramshot Hunter                     110.0     26.8     1.73    2774    85.4    43002    7662   1.107
Lovex S070                         110.0     25.6     1.66    2772    86.2    44618    7382   1.107
IMR 4350                           110.0     25.8     1.67    2750    84.5    44982    7132   1.092
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       110.0     26.3     1.71    2739    84.1    43066    7282   1.111
Somchem S365                       110.0     25.8     1.67    2715    90.7    37600    7764   1.168
Hodgdon H4350                      110.0     25.4     1.64    2692    83.0    42245    6952   1.124
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                110.0     25.1     1.63    2687    89.6    39110    7172   1.152
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          110.0     25.9     1.68    2669    79.3    41176    7021   1.135
Raufoss RA4                        110.0     25.9     1.68    2669    79.3    41176    7021   1.135
ADI AR 2209                        110.0     25.8     1.67    2629    77.6    39760    6936   1.153
Rottweil R904                      110.0     25.6     1.66    2627    77.8    40674    6691   1.146
Accurate 4350                      110.0     24.8     1.61    2622    85.0    34199    7314   1.221
Somchem S361                       110.0     27.6     1.79    2618    77.2    41858    6555   1.142
Alliant Reloder-19                 110.0     25.9     1.68    2615    77.8    38048    6981   1.175
IMR 4831                           110.0     24.8     1.61    2613    85.4    35035    7120   1.211
Winchester Supreme 780             110.0     27.3     1.77    2594    77.7    40015    6673   1.157
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.0     25.9     1.68    2586    77.1    37205    6843   1.190
Somchem S385                       110.0     26.2     1.70    2559    78.9    35043    6805   1.220
Norma MRP                          110.0     27.1     1.75    2540    74.9    34020    7188   1.232
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.0     26.2     1.70    2529    72.8    37383    6421   1.194
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     26.6     1.73    2512    70.2    36124    6608   1.210
ADI AR 2213                        110.0     26.2     1.70    2499    70.3    35757    6493   1.216
Vihtavuori N560                    110.0     26.5     1.72    2483    69.1    33222    6705   1.249
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       110.0     26.2     1.70    2479    72.6    32444    6741   1.259
Raufoss RA15                       110.0     26.2     1.70    2479    72.6    32444    6741   1.259
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.0     26.2     1.70    2479    72.6    32444    6741   1.259
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.0     27.6     1.79    2420    65.5    31933    6432   1.276
Rottweil R905                      110.0     25.7     1.67    2414    69.1    31605    6235   1.277
Vihtavuori N160                    110.0     24.9     1.61    2410    72.6    32673    5887   1.262
Hodgdon H4831                      110.0     25.2     1.63    2409    69.7    32583    5997   1.266
Winchester WXR                     110.0     25.6     1.66    2397    70.1    29747    6409   1.307
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       110.0     26.4     1.71    2382    65.5    32576    5855   1.272
Vihtavuori N165                    110.0     25.6     1.66    2379    73.4    30796    5975   1.296
IMR 7828                           110.0     25.2     1.63    2340    65.2    29796    5914   1.312
ADI AP 2214                        110.0     26.9     1.74    2298    62.6    31078    5530   1.305
Ramshot Magnum                     110.0     27.8     1.80    2297    62.5    30433    5834   1.314
Alliant Reloder-25                 110.0     25.8     1.67    2296    68.6    27248    6044   1.361
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  110.0     27.7     1.79    2291    62.4    30146    5810   1.319
PB Clermont PCL 517                110.0     27.7     1.79    2284    62.0    29990    5775   1.322
Accurate 3100                      110.0     24.5     1.59    2227    71.9    23669    5806   1.432
Lovex S071                         110.0     24.5     1.59    2227    71.9    23669    5806   1.432
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star           101.0     11.9     0.77    2181   100.0    60000    2825   1.112  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     25.9     1.68    2164    59.7    23846    5500   1.440
Hodgdon H1000                      110.0     25.6     1.66    2151    57.8    26025    4899   1.404
Vihtavuori N570                    110.0     27.3     1.77    2083    48.7    23696    4904   1.460
Lovex D100                         110.0     27.9     1.81    2063    50.7    25556    4462   1.433
Alliant Reloder 33                 110.0     28.5     1.85    2056    48.4    23720    4783   1.468
Hodgdon Retumbo                    110.0     26.1     1.69    2045    54.2    22180    4686   1.499
Vihtavuori N170                    110.0     25.6     1.66    2042    54.2    22014    4693   1.500
Vihtavuori 24N41                   110.0     27.6     1.79    2017    45.3    24280    4203   1.466
ADI AR 2218                        110.0     27.6     1.79    1950    41.1    22682    3969   1.510
Hodgdon H870                       110.0     26.8     1.73    1894    44.4    19216    4080   1.599
Hodgdon 50BMG                      110.0     26.3     1.71    1867    39.4    19660    3729   1.593
ADI AS 25 BP                       110.0      8.7     0.57    1860   100.0    36174    2195   1.365
IMR TrailBoss                      110.0      8.7     0.57    1860   100.0    36174    2195   1.365
Hodgdon US 869                     110.0     27.6     1.79    1841    40.5    19414    3646   1.611
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 110.0     27.4     1.78    1805    39.6    16729    3991   1.718
SNPE Vectan SP 13                  110.0     26.5     1.72    1786    42.1    17297    3573   1.680
Alliant Reloder-50                 110.0     28.0     1.82    1765    38.0    16767    3688   1.734
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520       110.0     26.5     1.72    1735    39.4    16522    3333   1.717
Accurate 8700                      110.0     26.5     1.72    1700    37.4    16550    3080   1.728
Vihtavuori 20N29                   110.0     27.9     1.81    1689    35.7    16382    3137   1.738
NC A3502 ,test only                110.0     25.4     1.64    1684    29.4    17345    2605   1.704
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only           110.0     25.4     1.64    1645    30.4    15908    2639   1.760
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only       110.0     25.4     1.64    1216    14.6     9903    1266   2.267

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

I will be playing with some H322 behind mine here real soon.
500 on the shelf, another 500 on the way. Thank you proshop.

 

[Guy Miner]

Antelope Sniper - you thinking deer & pronghorn with your .223?

 

[laylandad]

Forgive me for asking as I am not familiar with QL, but is the charge weight listed considered the Max and should I reduce that number by 10% to get my starting load? I will be using H335 first followed by W748.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Antelope Sniper - you thinking deer & pronghorn with your .223?

.223's been legal in South Dakota for some time, and Wyoming just made it legal for deer and antelope. Could be fun to take the AR up to Wyoming on a year when they allow 9 goat tags. Of course, that could be a lot of work.

In general I figure it's a good bullet if a guy just wants to be prepared for a variety of things bigger then a P-dog but smaller then an elk.

 

[FOTIS]

Forgive me for asking as I am not familiar with QL, but is the charge weight listed considered the Max and should I reduce that number by 10% to get my starting load? I will be using H335 first followed by W748.

Yes......

 

[laylandad]

Thanks again, Fotis!

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Guy, your question was so good I had to think about it some more.

This is going to be my "Any where my AR goes, this load follows....load...."

I don't know if I can think of a better general survival load. My AR sports a 16" medium match barrel and a 1-4 Leopold VXII. If I found myself stranded someplace with it and a few mags of the 64gr BSB, I'd be in pretty good shape. I could take a cottontail without blowing it up, and deer or antelope with confidence, and perhaps an elk with a well placed shot. It would server well in in the personal defense capacity. This bullet just seems to provide everything thing I want in a non-varmint round for the AR.

My oldest daughter just turned 12, and for her birthday she had a choice of a new wool coat or an AR stripped lower......she choose the stripped lower. It will be a few more birthday's and Christmas's before we have it built out for her, but I imagine this load will make short work of some SD whitetails on Grandpa's place.

 

[Woodycreek]

I bought some of those little 64 gr bonded rascals too... Looking forward to playing with them.

Am hoping Varget works well with them, 'cause I've got about 10 pounds of the stuff.

Varget is giving under an inch groups and running 2790 fps out of my 20" bbl AR. Have some Benchmark load up to see if I gain more speed and tighten up groups.