7mm wsm for a 300 rum

[nitis]

aside from a custom built rifle only remington has a production rifles in RUM as of now I know that there were some model 70s and maybe other but none other than the 700 are currently produced

the least expensive rum right now is about 500 for an all black sps which is what I have and you can go up from there I would do it in a heartbeat

 

[Desert Fox]

I do it in a heartbeat!

 

[craiger40]

corbin9191,

The 300 RUM is one hell of a cartridge to say the least. I have a SPS and it is truly a sweet shooting gun. The recoil pad they put on the 700 lineup is the best of any make or model, it absolutely tames the recoil. But you have to ask yourself 1. do i need this much power? 2 what ranges will i really hunt animals or target shoot at? 3. What is the cost ? if you don't reload then your left arm is what a box of ammo costs, if you do then it will take less that 20$ to reload a box that's awesome. I say the RUM is the superior cartridge but just by statistics, i do love 7mm's they can do everything most hunter/shooters need them too. don't forget the feeling of just getting a new(ish) gun is cool too. Do either of the rifles have scopes mounted on them? If your interested in long range target shooting you may want to look at the 190 SMK it gives less drop and just as good windage as the heavier bullets if you move them at the speeds the Rum is capable of moving them.

P.S. After all this i say make the trade and never look back

 

[corbin9191]

I probably dont need this much power but it would be nice to have that extra punch for longer range shots. The ranges I will be hunting animals is 25 yards- how far your rifle can shoot accurately. I do reload which is really nice. Yes my 7mm wsm does have a scope mounted on it, and I am not sure if the 300 rum does. The first bullet that I was looking at trying was the 240 SMK.

 

[JD338]

In order to take advantage of the long range capabilities of the 300 RUM, you will need to invest in a good scope with clear bright optics and repeatable turrets to dial in.
My recommendation would be a Leupold VX3 or Mark 4 4.5x14 as these will give you the most bang for your buck.

JD338

 

[corbin9191]

do these scopes have mildots and targets turrets already? How would a burris tactical scope work or a bushnell elite?

 

[YoteSmoker]

Either way, to get full elevation potential with the RUM I would recommend a 20 MOA base, such as one on mine made by EGW and/or a set of Burris Signature Zee rings with the posi-align inserts at a minimum. I have an elite 4200 6-24x40 on my 22-250. It has less MOA adjustment than the Leupold, but with the afore mentioned combo, would work just fine, however a scope in the power range of 4-16 would be best for the 300 RUM imo. I personally have a 5.5-16.5x44 Nikon Monarch sitting on mine. It's the older model with the AO on the bell. I would forego the idea of a Burris scope unless it were the high end Black Diamond and even then I would not go for it. You need a scope with good repeatable, well marked turrets for the long range game.

 

[JD338]

Spend the money on a Leupold and don't look back. Their quality is very good and customer service and turn around is excellent.

Burris is not good. Quality is terrible and customer service and turn around sucks. I have a very bad frustrating experience with Burris and will not recommend them to anyone. They will cost you more money in the long run than buying a Leupold.
I have had a Leupold Vari X III 2.5x8 and now a Mark $ 4.5x14 on my 338 RUM and have had zero problems. Both scopes handle the heavy recoil and are 100% repeatable with the dials. This means zero at 200 yds, dial 500 yds and then back to zero. The scope maintains its zero. This is an absolute must if you are serious about long range shooting.

JD338

 

[corbin9191]

Would anyone suggest using moly coated bullets in this rifle because of the pressure and the speed of the rounds?

 

[Divernhunter]

If you are going for the long range etc and one tough scope with great glass you might look into a Nightforce NXS or the benchrest model. I have 2 of the Nightforce NXS 5.5X22X56 NP-R2 on my 50's and they are great. I would not suggest a 56mm bell on a hunting rifle myself but they have smaller ones. Next to the Leupold MK4 they have the most MOA of adjustment. They are like a Leupold on steriods.

 

[craiger40]

corbin9191,

A stock Remington 700 will not stabilize the 240 SMK. The twist rate is just too slow. The 190 or 200 gr SMK has less drop at any range than the 240 SMK. The only way to make use of the 240 SMK is to switch to a top brand 30" fast twist barrel. If you need a scope i suggest Leupold. If you don't have that kind of money Nikon is a comparable scope but usually 2 hundred cheaper. But i must say i did have trouble with customer service one time they just weren't able to get me a new scope quickly. I have read great things about the Millett line of scopes recently but that may just lead to false economy.

www.Leupold.com
www.Nikonusa.com
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthr ... ber=704221
www.millettsights.com

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Just say NO to moly.

Black shadow is a low end Winchester.
if the RUM is in either a Sendaro or CDL you would be BIG money ahead.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

The 240g SMK can be shot out of some stock 700 barrels with the 1 in 10" twist. Scientifically or whatever they say no, but theres been several people on LRH that have shot the 240's from there stock 700 barrel which is a 1 in 10". I myself never cared to shoot or try the 240's from my LSS in 300 RUM simply because there to slow. The 210-220g bullets were just fine at 3000fps.

Hell my 7 RM is a stock 700 with a 1 in 9.25" and it has stabilized 162g amax which say you need a 1 in 8" and it also stabilizes 180g vld's out to 1000 yards. So never say never.

Only way to know for sure is to put some rounds downrange.

Best thing to do is see if someone has some 240's they can send you to try out, that way you dont have to buy a whole box and have them go to waste or the hassle of selling them if they dont work out.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

The pressure and speed of the 300 RUM is basically no different then the pressure and speed of any other rifle that shoots 3000+fps.

Moly is not needed with this cartridge or any other cartridge for that matter IMO. Its a sales gimmick and nothing more.

I put 1200rounds through my 300 RUM in 2 years and maybe 100 of them the 180g combined technology ballistic silver-tip at 3300-3400fps. I saw no improvement over the regular 180g nbt's so I scrubbed the barrel and went back to using naked bullets.

Over the years I've tried the moly coated vmax's in several rifles and never found them to be more accurate or less cleaning then using naked bullets. Also shot the ballistic silvertips in .257" 85 and 115g in my 1st 25-06 that I had. I shot them before I really knew much about moly coated bullets but they seemed to work great. Once again though, I never noticed an increase in accuracy or decrease in cleaning while using them though.

 

[corbin9191]

What was your load for those 180 grain if you dont mind me asking. How long will the 300 rum barrels last if you take good care of them?

 

[Greg Nolan]

The Win mod 70 Black shadow is a low end version with matte barrel and synthetic stock if it's the same as the Black Shadow 223 WSSM I have.
Any Rem 700 will be a better rifle and the 300 RUM will give you plenty of power. I just sold my 300 WBY Vanguard to buy a Rem 700 300 RUM. I have all the RUMs now and got there by trying other rifle/caliber combinations first and nothing lived up to the power/weight/balance and 26" barrel length's velocity that the RUMs have to offer. You will not be dissapointed. A good recoil pad takes the bite out and I have gone to muzzle breaks on them. Not because of the shoulder recoil but because now I don't have to worry about getting careless with the scope recoil.
Let us know what you choose to do. :wink:

 

[nitis]

As far as recoil is concerned my sps bucks like a son of a gun but it does not hurt at all I shot it over 20 time one day and felt no issues from it if I had done that with my 7mag I would be one bruised shouldered dude it flat out bites me bad I am hoping the 160s will tame her into more of a push like the 300s

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Stiff charges of H-1000. It was about the only powder I used out of my 300. I shot a few loads with Retumbo, but I'd say 90% was H-1000 with all weights from 150-220.

I did take good care of my barrel and I got about 1200 rounds of good accuracy. I never let it get hot. Never put more then 3-4 rounds downrange in a few minutes. Cleaned it regularly. Thats the price you pay for a round of this class.

I could tolerate the recoil from my LSS. I only weighed 145# to. 20-30 rounds could be fired in a practice session from field positions. With a lead sled, I could shoot it all day. I didn't want to spend the money on a brake when I knew the barrel would be shot in 2 years.

 

[corbin9191]

How much does a good barrel cost for these rifles after they go out?

 

[DrMike]

Don't worry overly much about recoil. Good stock design and a decent recoil pad can take the sting out of almost any cartridge. However, if the stock if poorly designed, it doesn't matter that it is a mild cartridge, it can still be vicious off the bench. Anyone can work up to tolerating recoil. You won't feel recoil in the field if you have done your work at the bench.