accubond bullets

[chucksniper]

I noticed at thread, on this site, where a guy took out an cow elk with an AccuBond. The bullet was in two pieces. Is a tougher bullet needed to pass through bone, even on smaller critters, like whitetail?

I know the Partition is suppose to break in half.

Maybe the e-tip will be better?

 

[DrMike]

The Partition doesn't break in half, it is designed to permit expansion of the front portion while the mandrel maintains integrity of the rear portion of the bullet. This ensures both expansion and penetration. The AccuBond has a core that is bonded to the jacket to maintain a higher degree of integrity at impact velocities. Either are excellent bullets for elk and other large species. The fact that the poster recovered the bullet portions speaks of the death of the animal. The E-Tip is a good bullet. It will likely penetrate more deeply than either the AccuBond or the Partition, but that isn't saying much as either the AB or the PT will frequently pass through an animal. I suspect that there will be fewer recoveries of the E-Tip for this reason. I don't believe you would be disappointed in any of these fine bullets.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

The AccuBond is designed for 65-70% weight retention, so it's no unusual to see a loss of petals from an AccuBond. Regarding the two pieces, can you give more details?

 

[Powerstroke]

chucksniper -

As A-Sniper denoted, a little more detail would be nice to have.

I've launched a lot of Accubonds into water jugs + recovered them from elk.
First pic is of a 6.5 130 that weighed 76grains after - Also the link to the thread.
Last pic is of a 180gr AccuBond from my buddies 300 WM found lodged in the far ball and socket joint - can't remember final weight, but so far they have all performed "as advertised"
http://noslerreloading.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=11787

 

[Greg Nolan]

Several dead elk later, Accubonds rule. 61.5 avg. weight retention and will plow thrue 3 feet of rumen driven at 3100 fps from either the 375, 338 RUMs at 30 to 250 yards. 375 was .71"s at exit. 338 exited.
Never doubt an AccuBond's ability to penetrate and shed weight in a linear fashion. The Partition will commonly shed the front portion because it opens up at 308 velocities and isn't bonded. I believe from experience using both the Partition and AccuBond the AccuBond is more consistant. My 2 cents worth. :roll:
Greg

 

[Guy Miner]

Chucksniper - even a standard cup and core bullet is plenty for whitetail.

Something like the AccuBond can be used, but there's really no reason to go for anything "tough" for a deer bullet. One of my all time favorite deer bullets is the Nosler Ballistic Tip - essentially an AccuBond, without the bonding... It will penetrate deer shoulder blades, ribs, leg bones, whatever, and still make it into (and likely completely through) the vitals.

Nosler makes mighty fine hunting bullets.

Regards, Guy

 

[chucksniper]

The Partition doesn't break in half, it is designed to permit expansion of the front portion while the mandrel maintains integrity of the rear portion of the bullet. This ensures both expansion and penetration. The AccuBond has a core that is bonded to the jacket to maintain a higher degree of integrity at impact velocities. Either are excellent bullets for elk and other large species. The fact that the poster recovered the bullet portions speaks of the death of the animal. The E-Tip is a good bullet. It will likely penetrate more deeply than either the AccuBond or the Partition, but that isn't saying much as either the AB or the PT will frequently pass through an animal. I suspect that there will be fewer recoveries of the E-Tip for this reason. I don't believe you would be disappointed in any of these fine bullets.

Here it is from Nosler customer service, unless they aren't technical support... thier e-mail back from them...



The front core on the Partition stays with the jacket during penetration, as a bullet slows they tumble which wipes the lead off. The front core is usually found in close proximity to the bullet.

The AccuBond was designed to have the same terminal performance as the Partition ( weight retention & penetration ) They are more aerodynamic and slightly more accurate than the Partition, also less expensive.

 

[Guy Miner]

I don't read that as "breaking in half."

Have shot a few game animals (boar, mulies & elk) with the Partition over the past 35 years or so, and interestingly have yet to recover a single bullet. They expand & punch through, leaving a dead animal behind.

Break in half? I guess if you want to describe it poorly, go ahead. I call them great hunting bullets.

Have had excellent results from the Ballistic Tip Noslers too, as well as the good old "Solid Base" Noslers. Haven't tried the Accubonds on game yet, but am looking forward to doing so, given the great results I've had from all the other Nosler hunting bullets I've tried.

Regards, Guy

 

[JD338]

chucksniper

My experience with PT's mirrors that of Guy's. I have never recovered a PT in an animal but I have recovered many in water jugs. Often the front core is gone but the rest of the bullet is intact.
Here are some recovered bullets to give you an idea...

JD338

 

[Scott Spencer]

That is just too cool of a demonstration, Jim!! I've got to start saving my gallon tea jugs and do the same with some of my loads.

I've not killed anything with a Partition but I've killed an elk and mule deer with the AccuBond. I love those bullets!

 

[jmad_81]

Well I have taken a few deer, and one elk with the Partition. They work great. But for elk, deer and black bear I find the AB to be more to my liking. Now if I was going to hunt some kind of buff I would go with the Partition, or maybe an ETip if they come out with one for the 375. The AB is now my go to bullet for everything I hunt (except for yotes). Are they needed for deer, no but it sure is nice to have them when I'm deer huntiing and a HUGE boar blak bear pokes his head out of the brush!

Here are a few 260 gr ABs that I pulled out of a bull elk. Shot was 240 yards. Fisrt shot he was quartering away and pretty steep downhill. Put it high just in ront of his back leg. Went the length of him and took out the far shoulder stopping under the skin. Bull turned sideways and was in the process of bleeding out. I put another one in him to anchor him (sure didnt want him falling to the bottom of the hell hole he was in!). Right threw both shoulders dropping him. Found it on the far side as well.

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[SJB358]

Great pictures Jake. Those are some great looking bullets. I am kind of on the fence, I have taken deer and elk with Accubonds, and deer and bear with PT's and both are nearly the same in my book. Just in my use, I have had an easier time making the PT shoot. This is only in a few different calibers though. Neither has shot "bad" though. Scotty

 

[JD338]

The AB's are tough bullets as well.
Here are some 338 cal 225 gr AB's recovered from water...

JD338

 

[jmad_81]

I'm going to be trying the PT in my wifes 7-08 if I can't get the 140 AB to shoot under an inch. Right now it is just over an inch. But I still got a bit of tweaking to do.

 

[Ridge_Runner]

couple of exits from a 160 AccuBond
Impact velocity of 2690 fps, range was 536 yards

this one impact velocity of 2450 fps, range was 702 yards

There have been 26 deer stot with this bullet with this particular rifle, of those 25 exited ranges have been from 307 to 1350 yards, the one that didn't exit, was a buck shot at 450 yards the bullet hit an unseen limb on a hard quartering away shot, impact was on the onside hip socket, entrance was tennis ball sized, the buck was blowing blood from the nose/mouth on his death sprint. bullet was lost during field dressing and not recovered.
I have recovered 1 AccuBond, fired into a block of hard sugar maple had an impact velocity of approx 3520 fps, don't remember the retained weight but it was 60+%
heres the pic,
7mm rem mag on the left for comparison, 7mm Allen Mag, an unfired 160, and the recovered AccuBond

I ever tell y'all I like accubonds?
RR

 

[Elkman]

At one time I had about 5 or 6 recovered Partitions. Where they ended up I don't know. This was an accumulation of 80 or so years of hunting (primarily elk) with two of us using .300 Mags. They "all" were in excess of 60 percent retention, they weren't pretty like JD's but they worked well. I haven't tried the AccuBond in my go to rifle because I don't feel the need to. I follow the motto "if it works don't change it", PT's work
Have a great day all.

 

[Powerstroke]

I don't want to change the subject, but what does everyone test bullets upon numerous occasions, velocities etc? I took JD's idea and ran with it - I'm a little luck and have a 7yr old Son in the house to keep the retired milk jug supply coming in. :grin:

This has been a big eye opener for me on bullet performance.

 

[JD338]

Powerstroke,

Looks just like my barn.

JD338

 

[Elkman]

I have to admit that I have never tested my bullets other than on game. I know that probably sounds odd but I really don't feel that most testing mediums give an accurate example of what the bullet will do on game. In addition different ranges will effect the bullet differently. I have a picture/chart which was done many years ago showing many brands of bullets that were shot at varying velocities into a medium. It was an eye opener for me. The testing must have taken weeks, each bullet was shot into the same stuff at a different speed. Then it was recoverd pasted on a background then a picture and narrative was posted with each bullet. At that time the A-frame and Partition were the number one and two for weight retention, penetration and exit diameter (diameter of the bullet when stopped) if I can find it I will post a short narrative on some popular bullets performance. Of course this chart is at least ten years old so some of the newer bullets will not be on here. I am sure that someone else here has seen the same chart.

 

[Antelope_Sniper]

Elkman, the milkjug tests are a lot of fun!!!

At 10 yards, with a 130gr BT out of a .270 Win, you will get wet!!