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Bitteroot Bonded Core
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DrMike
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Can't wait. :?
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tddeangelo
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You know you want to expand this business into the traditional muzzleloader market, too....
I would volunteer to partner with your stock guy to begin a custom line of BP rifles, from strict traditionalist options to "what the heck is THAT?" concepts!
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I would volunteer to partner with your stock guy to begin a custom line of BP rifles, from strict traditionalist options to "what the heck is THAT?" concepts!
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andrewctillman
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SJB,
Yo may have already seen it since you are an elk hunter, but Dr. Wayne Van Zwoll mentioned Bitterroots in his monthly column for Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation magazine, Bugle. (Page 149 July/August issue).
I dont know if Wayne visits here or not but Id like too say thank yo to him for acknowledging Bill's influence on the premium bullet market.
Wayne accurately described the BBC's use of pure, and thick copper jackets and pure lead. But he was mistaken about them taking up powder volume or seating them deeply. Dont know where he got that from?
A 180 grain BBC is 1.231 inches long. A 180 Nosler Partition is 1.263. In .375, a 275 grain BBC is 1.230 compared to 1,271 for a 270 grain Hornady spire point.
Wayne also said that they needed more frequent bore cleaning than conventional bullets. I dont know if he ever shot any or not, he might have since he was a North West guy. (Phd in wild life I think). But I shot alot more than most people due to my point blank to 500 yard tests, and all I ever had to do was use 762 solvent occasionally. They certainly did not need as much scrubbing as the Barnes TSX. At a buck apeice in the late 70's, most customers probably never shot enough BBC's to have to worry about copper fouling.
The reason more people did not shoot Bitterroots in the earlry days of premium bullets, when Nosler had the niche market to themselves, was #1 they were expensive, #2 Bill had more customers than he could handle, and #3 he could not afford to hand out freebies to the gun press, which he generally had a low opinion of.
Nit picking aside, I would like to thank Wayne for giving credit where it is due.
I imagine he has got alot more flack by pointing out the inadequate cartridges that have been used to kill elk (243, 300 savage, 32 winchester), all of them without premium bullets.
Yo may have already seen it since you are an elk hunter, but Dr. Wayne Van Zwoll mentioned Bitterroots in his monthly column for Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation magazine, Bugle. (Page 149 July/August issue).
I dont know if Wayne visits here or not but Id like too say thank yo to him for acknowledging Bill's influence on the premium bullet market.
Wayne accurately described the BBC's use of pure, and thick copper jackets and pure lead. But he was mistaken about them taking up powder volume or seating them deeply. Dont know where he got that from?
A 180 grain BBC is 1.231 inches long. A 180 Nosler Partition is 1.263. In .375, a 275 grain BBC is 1.230 compared to 1,271 for a 270 grain Hornady spire point.
Wayne also said that they needed more frequent bore cleaning than conventional bullets. I dont know if he ever shot any or not, he might have since he was a North West guy. (Phd in wild life I think). But I shot alot more than most people due to my point blank to 500 yard tests, and all I ever had to do was use 762 solvent occasionally. They certainly did not need as much scrubbing as the Barnes TSX. At a buck apeice in the late 70's, most customers probably never shot enough BBC's to have to worry about copper fouling.
The reason more people did not shoot Bitterroots in the earlry days of premium bullets, when Nosler had the niche market to themselves, was #1 they were expensive, #2 Bill had more customers than he could handle, and #3 he could not afford to hand out freebies to the gun press, which he generally had a low opinion of.
Nit picking aside, I would like to thank Wayne for giving credit where it is due.
I imagine he has got alot more flack by pointing out the inadequate cartridges that have been used to kill elk (243, 300 savage, 32 winchester), all of them without premium bullets.
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I haven't seen it yet Andrew but I will. Living in two houses right now so keeping track of my kit is trying!
Looking forward to shooting a Bitterroot pretty quickly. Working with the 225 PT right now and once I have that load dialed in properly I will shoot a Bitterroot to verify and one of them will go into the jugs. I gotta try at least 1 of them. I've been tempted too much to not try at least one!
Looking forward to shooting a Bitterroot pretty quickly. Working with the 225 PT right now and once I have that load dialed in properly I will shoot a Bitterroot to verify and one of them will go into the jugs. I gotta try at least 1 of them. I've been tempted too much to not try at least one!
BD1
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Hey Scotty,
Was wondering if you had a chance to work up a load and shoot any of the 225 gr. BBC's I sent you ?
Hope all is well with you,
Bob
Was wondering if you had a chance to work up a load and shoot any of the 225 gr. BBC's I sent you ?
Hope all is well with you,
Bob
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Bob, I have been working with the 225 PTs right now. I wanna try to have a perfect load with them before I even slit the package on the BBCs you sent along. I'm dieing to shoot one into the water jugs but I won't do it till I verify my load at 300 yards. Once I've done that and I'm satisfied I'll sacrifice one for the jugs. I figure 58 of them should be enough to hunt with for awhile.
Thank you again!
Thank you again!
BD1
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You are more than welcome, if you happen to find any in 7mm well....you know how to get ahold of me ;>)
I didn't realize you were over on this forum too, always great to have another place to visit with your buddies !
Let me know how they worked for you when you've had a chance to squirt a couple down range, I'm interested to hear how things went.
Best,
Bob
I didn't realize you were over on this forum too, always great to have another place to visit with your buddies !
Let me know how they worked for you when you've had a chance to squirt a couple down range, I'm interested to hear how things went.
Best,
Bob
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Sure will Bob. I will for sure keep you in mind for the 7mm bullets. Those things seem to really be rare.
Looking forward to running a couple down range. Getting close to getting the 338 load together so hopefully I'll do it before I have to head back to NC.
Looking forward to running a couple down range. Getting close to getting the 338 load together so hopefully I'll do it before I have to head back to NC.
Scotty, looks like you got some for the 338
do you want us to look for some 7mm, so as to give back to your friend. We had requested 338 when we sent the carrier pigeons out. I am sure you would take more of the same thing, but besides the 7mm, what would you like to have. We may come up empty, but we wont know until we try
do you want us to look for some 7mm, so as to give back to your friend. We had requested 338 when we sent the carrier pigeons out. I am sure you would take more of the same thing, but besides the 7mm, what would you like to have. We may come up empty, but we wont know until we try
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Well, I am thinking it is time to at least shoot one of these in the 338. I have a decent load with the 225 PT's so if they pan out the next time on the range, I will put one of the 225 BBC's downrange. Well, and I loaded another jug to smash into the jugs if it shoots with the others on the range..
225 PT next to the 225 BBC..
225 PT next to the 225 BBC..
DrMike
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Dwh7271":2lmtdlg0 said:
That could get your attention. :grin:
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Scotty
The Bitterroots were o.k.. We used them and liked them. I dont remember an animal hitting the ground any quicker when we used them than they do today when we use Nosler products.
Woodleigh makes good bullets. we use them and like them. however, Australian hunters, ( where the woodleigh's are made ) prefer Nosler products, go figure.
The United States has some excellent bullet companies. In addition to Nosler, both Swift and Northfork produce a nice bullet.
We also use and like the Norma Oryx, but it is my understanding that they are in short supply in the United States.
You enjoy playing with different bullets Scotty, so you might want to give GS Custom and Rhino a whirl, just for fun. I like the GS Custom, but not the Rhino, but a lot of people do, maybe you will.
I saw some Bitterroots for sale somewhere and if I run across them again I will pick them up for you. they are a little more than they were in the 1970's but it was not anything that would keep one from buying them for a friend. The pre 64 Model 70's are also a little more now, but we keep buying them.
Speaking of things expensive, but pretty. Mauser/Blaser bought the Rigby rights from the people in the United States and opened up a shop in London under the name, John Rigby & Co LTD. I visited the shop and would love to own one of their new "London Best 416 Rigby " rifles. Sweet looking rifle.
Anyway back to the premium bullet market. Northfork, Swift, Woodleigh, Bitterroot--we may be debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, as they are all good bullets and made to put an animal down and they all do. But it is still fun to play with them, especially with water Jugs Enjoy
The Bitterroots were o.k.. We used them and liked them. I dont remember an animal hitting the ground any quicker when we used them than they do today when we use Nosler products.
Woodleigh makes good bullets. we use them and like them. however, Australian hunters, ( where the woodleigh's are made ) prefer Nosler products, go figure.
The United States has some excellent bullet companies. In addition to Nosler, both Swift and Northfork produce a nice bullet.
We also use and like the Norma Oryx, but it is my understanding that they are in short supply in the United States.
You enjoy playing with different bullets Scotty, so you might want to give GS Custom and Rhino a whirl, just for fun. I like the GS Custom, but not the Rhino, but a lot of people do, maybe you will.
I saw some Bitterroots for sale somewhere and if I run across them again I will pick them up for you. they are a little more than they were in the 1970's but it was not anything that would keep one from buying them for a friend. The pre 64 Model 70's are also a little more now, but we keep buying them.
Speaking of things expensive, but pretty. Mauser/Blaser bought the Rigby rights from the people in the United States and opened up a shop in London under the name, John Rigby & Co LTD. I visited the shop and would love to own one of their new "London Best 416 Rigby " rifles. Sweet looking rifle.
Anyway back to the premium bullet market. Northfork, Swift, Woodleigh, Bitterroot--we may be debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin, as they are all good bullets and made to put an animal down and they all do. But it is still fun to play with them, especially with water Jugs Enjoy
DrMike
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Europe,
Welcome to the forum. I would draw from your post that you know Scotty. Of course, we'll forgive you for that. :grin: Hope to see you posting again.
Welcome to the forum. I would draw from your post that you know Scotty. Of course, we'll forgive you for that. :grin: Hope to see you posting again.
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DrMike
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SJB358":218wjufu said:
Yeah, he's a curmudgeon. :grin:
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