Critique my bullets performance

Just a quick question... I've shot a lot of deer with my little 7mm-08 using 120 BT's and have never had a bullet fail to exit. Archer Adam cites 2 incidents where very close range shots from a 30-06 using a fairly stout 150 bullet failed to exit from a relatively thin skinned animal.

I know there are a lot more experienced and educated minds than mine on this site, so I'm compelled to ask is there a velocity issue here? Old powder? Old ammo? It's hard for me to imagine hitting anything on a deer with a 150 grain core-loct bullet that was launched from a 30-06 that would cause such a massive loss of energy and velocity that the bullet would not exit at 15 and 25 yard shot distances. My only personal experience with a bullet failing to exit was when I was using 12-14 year old factory [Rem 7mm-08, 139 grain core-loct bullet] ammo shot at a large bodied deer at 90 yards; I wrote it off to old ammo, and then immediately began reloading for my 7mm-08. But the deer did drop at the shot, a very effective and efficient kill.

Addressing the original question: I can't find a performance issue with the bullet. It's unrealistic to expect a bang-flop, but it's always nice when it happens. I've shot deer at 15 yards that ran 50 yards trailing pieces of lung along the way and others at 115 yards that dropped at the shot. All deer are different in how they respond to the trauma of the shot, and minute differences in point of impact and the resulting would channel, bullet performance, bullet construction, and pre-post shot adrenaline can affect recovery.

My experience: The only predictable 100% guaranteed 16 inch [vertical] recovery distance results from a head [brain] shot. Anything else will likely result in a bit of tracking.
 
I once discussed this with a doctor I knew who hunted. We were discussing heart and lung shots and this is basically what he thought happened. If the deer was hit in the lungs while they were full of air, the deer would most likely drop quickly. If the deer exhaled just as the shot hit, the blood would be oxygenated and the deer mostly likely would run some distance. The same thing would apply to a heart shot. If the heart was full of blood when hit, death would come much sooner that if it had just fed the deer's body with a fresh supply of oxygen rich blood. I figured he's a doctor and probably knew what he was talking about. I may have the comment on the lungs bass ackwards as he told me this a very long time ago. :oops:
Paul B.
 
Adam,
The 150 gr. did what it's supposed to at the velocities it was designed for. It's supposed to open up and kill a deer at any range and it did. The newer bullets like the AccuBond does the same thing but better since it's bonded and you will get better penetration and less blow up at close range. 165 gr. is a great weight for deer. I would go to reloading and bonded bullets like the AccuBond are superior in many ways to the older style bullets.
Good Hunting
 
I've taken a few deer, seen a few more taken, and cleaned a bunch. Deer do funny stuff when hit with a bullet or an arrow. Take the last three deer I've taken - all with a rifle. First was with my 270Wby, 130gr E-Tip @3420fps MV, shot through the left shoulder quartering hard away at about 175yds and dropped like a sack of doorknobs. Ran off when I went to get him, and I let him sit overnight (snow on the ground, sub-zero temps, figured I'd rather track him in the morning than in the dark). Second, shot with my 8x57 Mauser broadside at somewhere between 95-140yds (didn't range him, but knew the edges of the field he was walking in were those distances). That one was with a 180gr Nosler Ballistic Tip at 2700fps MV. He hunched and ran about 60-70yds and dropped dead in the brush. Bullet went in high in the ribs, clipped both lungs and caught the liver going out. No blood trail on that one, but a flood when I gutted him. Third deer was a small doe at ~180yds with my 30-06 and a 168gr Nosler BT at just over 2900fps. First shot, she jumped and bucked and kicked. Then she just walked around eating again. As I do not take chances anymore, I shot again. This time, she stepped down into a hole right as I tripped the sear, and I shot through her spine, dropping her on the spot. When I got to her, I found the first shot had gone through both lungs, but had missed ribs on both sides. She was walking dead when I shot the second time, but neither of us knew it. We both do, now.

I'd say that 150gr CoreLokt held up pretty well for a short range impact at near muzzle velocity. If you're handloading, I'll confirm the comments about the 165gr bullet for the -06. I use Ballistic Tips, though, as I don't find the velocity of the -06 to exceed the design specs of the BT, and thus I don't spend the extra money. Of course, I don't have black bear on the potential menu, either, so that might make me move to the AccuBond. Regardless, you've got a good rifle, and a good result. Enjoy the venison (if you have any left...)
 
I often think about how the deer was before the shot. You mentioned it was alert. With that, a spooked deer can cover 100 yards in a quick hurry. I have shot a few deer and the ones that are relaxed travel a shorter distance. I have shot them with a bow and then just stand there or kept eating until they do down. I have seen them hit by a car, jump up and take off. If a deer wants to cover ground it will. Lastly, not saying you are wrong, but last year my wife's buck went 60 yards from the tree but the blood trail felt like 200 yards because it was a light trail. Most people over guess blood trail distances.

The bullet did the job and so did you. Meat in the pan is all that matters!!!
 
I have noticed that the 150 .30-06 bullet does have a tendency to tumble inside game, especially at higher velocities or closer ranges. This is probably because of lower sectional density which allows the bullet to turn over on axis more easily whereas a heavier, longer shank bullet will track straight ahead better. You might try the 165 grain bullet for deer? I have killed several deer and an elk with the .30-06 and the 165 Partitons always fully penetrated, exited and the animal died quickly.
 
Thanks for the comments guys!

I was just a little shocked--I did not think this could physically happen....twice!! Fortunatley most of the deer I have shot with my rifle have been dead within a few steps.

I am now going to venture off and start reloading with my uncle who already reloads. I will be trying the 165 grain AB and go from there.

Happy hunting and hunt safe!
 
Adam, seems like all the 30-06 guys that shoot 165's are using around 57 grains of IMR4350 or H4350 and getting some very impressive speeds. I think a few use Hunter as well. I don't think you will have many problems finding a load for your rifle.
 
I use 57-58 grs of IMR4350 and H4350 either powder will give good accuracy and velocity in a 30-6 pushing a 165gr bullet.
 
My -06 load is a 168gr Nosler BT over 59gr of H4350. That's a max charge in current published data, so as always, work up carefully. I've talked to a lot of folks and it seems that almost every -06 likes something in the 57-59gr range of either H or IMR 4350. Current published charges from Hodgdon show that range within the max for each powder.

Bottom line is, anything from 2800fps on up that will put three shots into a tight group is going to make your -06 a great tool for taking game out to 250-300yds without having to figure holdover.
 
My .30-06 Model 70 shoots 57.5 grains of IMR 4350 at about 2860 fps (15 ft. Inst. Vel.) for the 165 Partition and shoots groups that you would not believe out to 300 yards. The Nosler 165 gr AB or PT bullet will absolutely stone kill deer in their tracks, if you hit them well. You get a little more penetration from the PT but pick the one which gives you better accuracy.
 
You will have no difficulty taking game with your '06 when it is loaded with 165 grain ABs. They will not let you down when called on to perform.
 
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