Don't you hate it when...

[Dr. Vette]

you put a new Vanguard 30-06 rifle together, grab your cheapest ammo to sight it in, and it groups the Remington Core-Lokt 180gr PSP into a group well under an inch.

What am I now supposed to do with all the brass and bullets I have for this rifle when the cheap stuff shoots better than I can probably load? :shock:

As it shot two other loads just over an inch my hope is that I can use the brass and bullets I want and do well also. I at least have to try...

 

[HeathSexton]

My old Ruger MKII 30/06 shoots the Federal blue box under 1". I have dies/brass/bullets just in case I decide to stop using that old cheap Federal blue box stuff. I buy a box or 2 a month and just put it up. I figure it's one less rifle to fool with finding the right recipe for.

 

[SJB358]

HA! That's is why I don't shoot much, if any factory loads. I don't wanna feel badly if I can't make it better..

 

[DrMike]

Now that is funny. Too true, but nevertheless funny. :grin:

 

[Dr. Vette]

I have two Vanguards in 270 Win that shoot cheap Winchester PowerMax ammo very well, a third that shoots Federal blue box, and this one I put together (Cerakoted, restocked, bedded and retriggered) shoots the Remington CoreLokt well. I think the moral of the story is that if you buy a Vanguard, don't buy expensive ammo. :mrgreen:

I wish my Mark V's shot as well as the "lesser" Vanguards do, but they seem to be the picky ones.

 

[PJGunner]

you put a new Vanguard 30-06 rifle together, grab your cheapest ammo to sight it in, and it groups the Remington Core-Lokt 180gr PSP into a group well under an inch.

What am I now supposed to do with all the brass and bullets I have for this rifle when the cheap stuff shoots better than I can probably load? :shock:

As it shot two other loads just over an inch my hope is that I can use the brass and bullets I want and do well also. I at least have to try...

A few years back I was at a gun show and came across a Winchester M70 XTR that had what appeared to be a McMillan stock in the shape of the M70 Featherweight. Scope was a cheapie but the guy said it was sighted in at 100 yards and as it was Sunday and the show was closing down I bought it. I'm a sucker for those FWT stocks with the schnable. I stuck the rifle behind the seat of my truck and one the way home bought two boxes of 150 gr. Winchester Power points. The next day I went to the range to try out my new toy. I set the target up at 100 yards and fired a shot. It hit 3" high at at the 100 yard mark. 8) I waited a few mintues then shot round #2. Where did it go? Did I screw up and jerk a shot? Fired shot #3 and it was right alongside #1. I walked down and checked the target and shot #2 was literally in the same hole as #1. Shot two more and the final 5 round group was .5". :shock: Factory ammo no less. :shock: :shock: Shot three more 5 shot groups and the largest was .80".
I worked up a load with the long discontinued Winchester Magnum Rifle powder (WMR) with the 150 gr. Sierra Game King and groups are equal to what the factory ammo produced. 8)
In 2009 I took that rifle with the 150 gr/WMR load on an antelope hunt and after afairly easy stalk took my goat at 75 yards. If I'd known I could get that close I'd have brought my 30-30 shooting my cast bullet deer load. :lol: The bullet hit the last rib on the left side and exited just behind the right shoulder. Very little meat damage although the bullet did nick the stomach but no contents spilled out. The antelope did a short 30 foot half circle and expired. His head now adorns a wall in our TV room.
Funny thing about the .270. I've had one since 1973 and have acquired three more including the XTR but have never shot much game. Back in 1973/74 I took a few deer, maybe three and a couple of coyotes and a bunch of jack rabbits but never seriously considered it all that much of a big game rifle. Guess I was just too stuck on the 30-06. One thing I have noticed. Three of my .270's give extremely good groups, usually one inch or less. The only one that does not shoot under an inch most of the time is the Ruger #1A and most of the time it's good for 1.25" or slightly less. I do prefer 150 gr. bullets over the 130's though. Just my personal prefernce.
Paul B.

 

[ScreaminEagle]

I have a rem 700 classic 06 that will do that with federal blue box. I

Sent from my SCH-S738C using Tapatalk

 

[Guy Miner]

Dr V - some years back I had a similar situation with a .300 Win mag Ruger Number 1-S.

I had one heck of a time getting it to shoot much of anything. One day, I don't know why, I grabbed a box of Remington 180 gr soft-point factory ammo... And the first five shots were right around an inch at 100 yards...

Dang did I feel silly about my handloading efforts then.

Found that if I handloaded flat-base 180's to about factory velocity, the rifle shot well. Other than that, it just didn't care for products from my bench, but it sure did like that green-box Remington stuff! :mrgreen:

 

[cloverleaf]

I had a stevens mod 200 in 7-08 that would do that with Winchester super - x. Got stupid and broke and depressed and sold it. More depressed. yup I hate it, CL

 

[1Shot]

That Federal Blue Box is some really accurate ammo. My friend that owns a gun shop in NC offers a rifle sighting in service. When people don't bring their own ammo he sales them Federal Blue Box to use. I have helped my hunting buddy that does the zeroing of the rifles for years when I am over there on my annual hunting trip. That Federal Blue Box ammo proves to be VERY ACCURATE in about any caliber and people say that it also kills deer really well.

Usually if a rifle will shoot some factory ammo well you will find a hand load that will shoot as good or better.
For that 30-06 give 51.2 grs IMR 4064 with a 150 gr Ballistic tip a try. This has been VERY accurate in most bolt rifles.

 

[Elkman]

What am I now supposed to do with all the brass and bullets I have for this rifle when the cheap stuff shoots better than I can probably load? [/q
The real downside is those countless hours that you will miss at the bench with load development. Enjoy the ride, I will bet you can find something to do with all of that extra stuff.

 

[DrMike]

What am I now supposed to do with all the brass and bullets I have for this rifle when the cheap stuff shoots better than I can probably load? [/q
The real downside is those countless hours that you will miss at the bench with load development. Enjoy the ride, I will bet you can find something to do with all of that extra stuff.

Ah, the voice of experience? :grin:

 

[Dr. Vette]

What am I now supposed to do with all the brass and bullets I have for this rifle when the cheap stuff shoots better than I can probably load? [/q
The real downside is those countless hours that you will miss at the bench with load development. Enjoy the ride, I will bet you can find something to do with all of that extra stuff.

Yah, well, its not like I don't own more rifles....
And if you note in the 257 thread, at least one of my rifles is not cooperating.

 

[Dr. Vette]

Usually if a rifle will shoot some factory ammo well you will find a hand load that will shoot as good or better.

Would you mind telling that to this rifle?

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=27904

 

[baltz526]

You can buy Remington coreloc bullets from Midway and a Lee crimp Die. Then just find a suitable powder to get the same velocity of the factory ammo. Disassemble one of the Remington's and it should give you a good idea on what powder to test. OAL is easy, just put a factory on press, screw the die down until it gets good contact. Done.

 

[Dr. Vette]

You can buy Remington coreloc bullets from Midway...

In theory, but no one has any in stock right now.

I have a lot of 180gr Nosler Partitions as well as 180gr Barnes TTSX bullets to use, plus brand new Lapua brass. My hope is that with premium components I can get a load that does quite well. If not, for $42 I can buy 2 boxes of Remington ammo and at least get the rifle through bear hunting in mid- August.

 

[baltz526]

At Midway use the http://www.midwayusa.com/product/139010 ... uctFinding -Then use the Notify me button. Midway will then Email you as soon as they come in.

 

[Dr. Vette]

Took the rifle out and shot steel today. The target happened to be 210 yards - and it shot a nice tiny group right on center.

I shot Rem Core-Lokt 150s in my Rem 7400, and it too shot a tiny group. This rifle REALLY likes 150gr bullets no matter who loads them. However, both rifles are dead nuts on should I choose to use them for black bear this August.

I was hitting steel with my Marlin 336 in 35 Rem out to 260 yards with no problem. I didn't think that was too bad for what many consider a 100 yard rifle. The Vortex BDC reticle really makes it easy.

 

[DrMike]

Ringing steel on a holiday--maybe the finest way to celebrate the nation that was forged in fire and tempered by hardship. Good move!