Well, I stopped into a gun shop that is kinda near where I work today, and to my surprise they have an excellent supply of alot of powders, and bullets, Hdy, Speer, Nosler and some Sierra. They had a box of 275gr 338cal bullets, (Speer). They were the only ones there, so I asked how much, to my surprise, they were 11.00. I almost had a small stroke. I have been wanting to try some in my 338, and those will be pretty cool. I also grabbed a box of Speer 358cal 250gr Hot Cors. I know, they are not Noslers, but they were only 12.00. Anyhow, if anybody has any old data for the 338 with 275gr Speers, send it. I have an old Speer load manual and it list 2600FPS with IMR7828. It has a BC .456, so it is actually pretty decently shaped. Anyhow, I was stoked to actually find a shop that had those old monsters, and they were so cheap. Scotty
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Scotty,
From the Speer Reloading Manual, 11th Edition.
275 grain Speer semi-spitzer
CCI250
24 inch barrel
Maximum charge:
75 grains IMR 7828 (2615 fps)
74 grains MRP (2614 fps)
72 grains A3100 (2595 fps)
68 grains IMR4831 (2502 fps)
66 grains IMR4350 (2491 fps)
62 grains H414 (2399 fps)
60 grains 760 (2353 fps)
58 grains IMR4064 (2405 fps)
This is, of course, old data, and needs to be treated with caution. According to RCBS.Load, there were changes by the 12th edition of the manual. According to that manual (the last to list the data for the 275 grain Semi-spitzer), maximum charges are:
72 grains of A4350 (2631 fps)
75 grains of IMR7828 (2598 fps)
70 grains of RL19 (2554 fps)
78 grains of H1000 (2548 fps)
70 grains of IMR4831 (2541 fps)
69 grains of H4350 (2505 fps)
66 grains of IMR4350 (2499 fps)
72 grains of A3100 (2492 fps)
70 grains of H4831 (2467 fps)
65 grains of A2700 (2460 fps)
64 grains of H414 (2445 fps)
64 grains of 760 (2444 fps)
It is always neat to find old bullets hiding on the shelves.
From the Speer Reloading Manual, 11th Edition.
275 grain Speer semi-spitzer
CCI250
24 inch barrel
Maximum charge:
75 grains IMR 7828 (2615 fps)
74 grains MRP (2614 fps)
72 grains A3100 (2595 fps)
68 grains IMR4831 (2502 fps)
66 grains IMR4350 (2491 fps)
62 grains H414 (2399 fps)
60 grains 760 (2353 fps)
58 grains IMR4064 (2405 fps)
This is, of course, old data, and needs to be treated with caution. According to RCBS.Load, there were changes by the 12th edition of the manual. According to that manual (the last to list the data for the 275 grain Semi-spitzer), maximum charges are:
72 grains of A4350 (2631 fps)
75 grains of IMR7828 (2598 fps)
70 grains of RL19 (2554 fps)
78 grains of H1000 (2548 fps)
70 grains of IMR4831 (2541 fps)
69 grains of H4350 (2505 fps)
66 grains of IMR4350 (2499 fps)
72 grains of A3100 (2492 fps)
70 grains of H4831 (2467 fps)
65 grains of A2700 (2460 fps)
64 grains of H414 (2445 fps)
64 grains of 760 (2444 fps)
It is always neat to find old bullets hiding on the shelves.
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Mike, thanks a ton for the info. You are right about finding old bullets on the shelve. I am going to try to do a conservative work up with them, so I can save at least 25-30 of them for actually hunting. I have a great AccuBond load, but I think the 338 with the 275's would be pretty cool to hunt with. They look like giant THUMBS. I have the Speer 11 so thank you very much for the 12 Edition info. Hopefully I get a chance to try them out sooner that later. I am stoked to find them. I would like to see if I can turn up anymore of them. Kinda cool to have a brand new box of discontinued bullets that were used by Elmer Keith. Scotty
DrMike
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Indeed, it is always fun to find old stuff. I have some Norma 8mm 227 grain bullets I'm planning to work up for my 325 WSM. I also found some Speer 225 grain. I plan to work on this this winter as well. Always fun.
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I have some of those 275gr speer bullets also. Do not use them much. I think you will find there are only 50 to a box. I also have some of the old Barnes 300gr solids(lead core) for the .338. They penatrate a pretty good sized tree :wink:
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I loaded the 275's in mine, and I found that they wouldn't group until I loaded them hot. Think that you will like them.
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Yeah, I am not really going to use them for much this year, but I would like to have a load that would be suitable for Spring Bear this next year. They should really lay a bear flat. Thanks for the comments on them. I wished they still made them, they would be a cool bullet to have for the 338. Be nice is Nosler made a 275gr Partition in a Semi Spitzer. That would be a humdinger for 338 guys. Scotty
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beretzs":4fxod86n said:
What would be nice is a 275-300 gr AB or BT for long range hunting.
Get the BC up over .6 and it would be an awesome bullet and I bet Nosler wouldn't be able to keep up with the demand.
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I would like to have an AccuBond like either of those two. It would defianately give me an excuse to get that 338/378WBY I have been wanting. I would still like to have the 275gr Partition. I think it would be excellent for big bears if I ever got the chance, and since it would probably have pretty good BC numbers, I am sure it would be pretty good out to 300 or so pretty easily. Scotty
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beretzs
I have had no problems shooting the 250 gr PT out of my 338 RUM at 515 yds. The 250 gr AB shoots a little flatter. Both hit very hard down range.
JD338
I have had no problems shooting the 250 gr PT out of my 338 RUM at 515 yds. The 250 gr AB shoots a little flatter. Both hit very hard down range.
JD338
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JD. I really like both the 250's you mentioned and the 225's also. I just think there would be some good application to a bigger 338 bullet for someone wanting a stopping rifle for big bears and a hammer on elk and moose. Kind of like the 220gr 308. I don't think we are really missing anything too much by not having them, but I kinda think the big mags really shine with those big hunks of leads and they would have to shoot through about any big NA animals. Scotty
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Actually, the 338 250 gr PT is an amazing bullet. It penetrates into tomorrow yet opens up on deer sized game. The most spectacular kill I ever made on a WT deer was with a 250 gr PT from my 338 RUM at 2900 fps.
I shot a big 9 pt tight behind the shoulder and the bullet exited through the off shoulder. The buck reared up, spun 180* and fell to the ground stone dead.
I leaned the rifle up in the blind and poured myself a cup of coffee.
The exit wound was the size of a quarter.
JD338
I shot a big 9 pt tight behind the shoulder and the bullet exited through the off shoulder. The buck reared up, spun 180* and fell to the ground stone dead.
I leaned the rifle up in the blind and poured myself a cup of coffee.
The exit wound was the size of a quarter.
JD338
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Great pictures JD. It is awesome to see guys using their big guns on deer, really gives a good idea of bullet performance on light game and it seems like it would not harm too much meat. I am going to try some of the 275's once I get back and try them for deer maybe. They may not open a whole lot, but with the lead up front it seems like they would do enough to lay deer down. Scotty
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Like Elmer Keith says, "You can eat right up to the bullet hole".
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DrMike
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I have never had much blood shot meat with either my 358 or my 356. I should imagine that the heavier bullets in the 338 would give similar performance.
