Grizzly delisting. I just read an article the interior secretary is onboard with delisting the grizzly. Apparently the secretary and other important officials feel the grizzly has adequatly recovered in yellow stone and many other areas as well. Could happen as early as 2014. Once the grizzly is in control of the states, the governors will be able to allow hunting in areas that have huntable populations. That would be cool.
Grizzly delisting
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Guy Miner
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That would indeed be a great hunting opportunity! Thanks for posting. I knew it was being considered, but hadn't heard anything about it in some time.
The ranchers and others I know in Wyoming & Montana near Yellowstone are all in favor of a grizzly season. They're getting more and more bears in the area, straying from the park, and some nasty man-bear encounters. I found grizzly sow & cub tracks while hunting mule deer in Wyoming, 2009. My .25-06 didn't seem like enough gun at that particular moment.
It's going to be a tough tag to obtain, but what a hunt! To take a grizzly, legally, in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho... Terrific!
Guy
The ranchers and others I know in Wyoming & Montana near Yellowstone are all in favor of a grizzly season. They're getting more and more bears in the area, straying from the park, and some nasty man-bear encounters. I found grizzly sow & cub tracks while hunting mule deer in Wyoming, 2009. My .25-06 didn't seem like enough gun at that particular moment.
It's going to be a tough tag to obtain, but what a hunt! To take a grizzly, legally, in Wyoming, Montana, Idaho... Terrific!
Guy
wildgene
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...none of the actual facts of grizzly populations will make any difference, "Delisting" will become another huge politcal football...
DrMike
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Should be some fevered political machinations taking place around the issue. I could wish for those living in the Northern Plains that opportunity. I guess I'm less optimistic, especially under the current administration. If the Interior Department/State Department can't/won't permit building the Keystone Pipeline because of pressure from enviro-wackos, you can bet they will be sensitive to the pressure of those same anti-hunters.
Oldtrader3
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Unfortunately you are Correct DrMike when I see the legal/political machinations and hugger lawsuits going on here over one deep water (demon) coal depot, I want to throw up!
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Actually Charlie at this point it is very likely to happen. Interior Secretary Salazar has essentially completed the court ordered study regarding how the decline of the white bark pine tree will threaten the mighty grizz. The long political football game regarding that matter is now complete. The study concludes that global warming and pine tree problems have no effect on grizzly populations. The wack jobs that filed suit when the the grizzly was delisted in 2007 are about to lose there case in Federal court. Salazar will present the final report in Jan, 2014. If the judge agrees with the final report put together by the feds with the help of the states then the political football game is over. In addition to all of that the Wyoming governor has said there will be limited hunting in his state upon succsessful delisting. Looks like the grizzily will follow the wolf and be delisted real soon. There is tremendous support for this especially since four people have been killed by grizzlies in the past two years in yellow stone alone. Fotis, you better get those big bores ready to go. Looks like ya might get the chance to shoot something larger than pronghorn.
wildgene
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...while I really hate to say it, hubcap, I think you're being a little, well, actually a lot, over-optimistic. These people have been playing this game for years, just add another spurious garbage science claim, shop around for a liberal judge, file a suit, get an injunction, get paid by the gov't to sue the gov't while pleading for donations from the "Hollyweird Elite", then keep it tied up in the courts for 2-3 decades (Roadless Act ring any bells???)...
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Man Wildgene, I hope I,m not over optimistic on this issue. After some rather long hours checking on the matter I found out some interesting stuff. The mission of the endangered species act is to ensure animals have recovered. Mission accomplished. The Federal judge agreed. He ordered a study regarding how a pine tree that is dying may affect the future of the grizzly. The study is complete. The white bark pine tree and its nuts have no effect on grizzly populations even if all the trees die. The bogus law suit has been proven worse that stupid. IN addition the US forest service has with help of state officials put together a comprehensive conservation plan regarding the grizzly. Without this plan more law suits would likely derail delisting of the grizzly. The government allowed more than adequite time for puplic input in the matter. The only thing left is essentially go to Fed- court with all the work the federal government has completed and submit the all findings to the federal judge that ordered it. Hmmmm- I could still be wrong but I,m betting on the US fish and wildlife service. I understand the feds are trying to fast tract the issue since former INTERIOR Secretary Salazar informed Governor Matt Mead of Wyoming he shares the governors desire to delist the bear. As far as hunting goes that will depend on how well the states game departments want to handle delisting. Hunting is authorized by the feds upon delisting the bear. Each bear state governor can initiate grizzly hunts if they choose to. At this point I remain cautiously optimistic that grizzly hunting will occur in the lower 48 in the near future. That depends on successfull delisting which appears very close to a done deal.
DrMike
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I hope you're correct, hubcap. However, I know that where there's a will, there's a lawyer prepared to contest that will.
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True enough. The feds did there home work this time. I think. When special interest groups continually fought to keep the wolf on the endangered list two senators Crapo and Fritz from the state of Idaho crafted an amendment which was cleverally attached to one of those short term Obama Budgets. The amendment delisted the wolf most likely on a permanent basis. The government always finds ways to get what they want. I,m still laughing about that one. In short order govenor Otter had hunters reducing the wolf population for a very minimal fee. Mitch MaConnel, the minority leader in the senate slipped that one right by the senate demos. The demos obviously did not read the amendment. They just wanted a budget deal. Kinda funny I think. Yes the government does have a few good guys that know how the game is played.
