Guaranteed Trophy Elk "Hunt"

[Guy Miner]

An outfitter I've corresponded with in the past recently sent me this ad. I'm disappointed because in the past he's only offered fair-chase, wild land hunts. I suppose he's just offering what the market demands, but I'm still sad to see it.

GUARANTEED TROPHY ELK HUNT

In addition to the wild elk hunts that we offer, we also offer guaranteed elk hunts on private elk ranches. We have a limited supply of big 6 to 10 year old bulls; most are going to score from the 340’s to 390’s. This 3-Day Trophy bull elk hunt is on a high fenced ranch that has great cover for a more challenging hunt. Use the weapon of your choice and hunt for the best bull you can find. The great thing about this hunt above other private elk hunts is that you can take any bull you see. You will not be told which bull you can shoot or not shoot or charged extra if you shoot the biggest bull on the ranch. We guarantee there will be bulls on the property that exceed 340 during every hunt. Hunters do not always find the biggest bulls, sometimes the biggest bulls are taken on later hunts. But the first hunters will get the first opportunity to try and find the biggest bulls. This is an excellent opportunity to archery, muzzle, or rifle hunt the big bull of your choice this fall.

First Hunt………$8950

Second Hunt…..$7950

Third Hunt………$6950

Fourth Hunt…….$6450

Last 4 Hunters…$5950

These elk hunts are going fast, call soon if you want one of these hunts.

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

Is that in WA state?? I didn't know it was legal, shouldn't be. If you cant get an elk the right way, you dont need to be hunting them. Lazy fools.

 

[Guy Miner]

I don't believe his high-fence elk ranch/ranches are in Washington, but I don't know where they are.

 

[JD338]

We have a game farm 45 min north of my house, The Sanctuary is world famous for B&C White Tail Deer. Hunts go for $6k up to $9K. There is also Elk hunting for similar pricing.
I guess some people have a lot of desire to kill a world class animal, and have the money to do it. Its all about the trophy on the wall and the bragging rights that go with it .
I would rather do 100 miles in the saddle to get my Elk and take plenty of Motrin 800. :?

JD338

 

[7mmfan]

I would rather go home empty handed for 30 years in a row then to hunt one of those high-fenced properties.

 

[Guest]

AMEN, AMEN, and AMEN!!!!!

I hate high fence. Why not just stay at home and shoot fish in a barrel?

That's the difference between hunters and shooters. How can you take pride in shooting a penned animal, even if the pen is 1000acres? It just isn't sporting.

 

[JD338]

I agree with you guys, its shooting instead of hunting. We all disagree with this because we are hunters who also put value on the hunt itself, the experience, sights, sounds, and smells.
Some day I hope to tag a 300+ class bull elk but it wont be from a game farm.

JD338

 

[Greg Nolan]

I've been on a couple of hunts when rich, instant gratification types were there and I've kind of re-thought the whole thing. I wish they WOULD of been on a high fence ranch hunt somewhere else instead of ruining my hunt. It's kind of like a brothel, it may serve a purpose in giving that type of people somewhere ELSE to go spend their money and time!
Just a thought. :roll:

Good Hunting

 

[remingtonman_25_06]

I stand by my original statement, if they cant hunt them the way there suppose to be hunted, which is not easy, they dont even need to be out there in the first place. Elk deserve a lot more respect then that, to let some lazy ass go out and pop an elk just because he has money. Jeez. Whatever happened to hunting hard, and doing all the dirty work?? Thats half the fun in itself when its all said and done.

 

[FOTIS]

I stand by my original statement, if they cant hunt them the way there suppose to be hunted, which is not easy, they dont even need to be out there in the first place. Elk deserve a lot more respect then that, to let some lazy ass go out and pop an elk just because he has money. Jeez. Whatever happened to hunting hard, and doing all the dirty work?? Thats half the fun in itself when its all said and done.

I concur, hoever but I woould take the kids out there so they can pet or feed the elk crackers or carrots. :mrgreen:

 

[Brad]

An outfitter I've corresponded with in the past recently sent me this ad.

GUARANTEED TROPHY ELK HUNT

In addition to the wild elk hunts that we offer, we also offer guaranteed elk hunts on private elk ranches. We have a limited supply of big 6 to 10 year old bulls; most are going to score from the 340’s to 390’s.

I believe they're called BROKE BACK MOUNTAIN OUTFITTER'S for obvious reason's...

 

[hardpan]

From the perspective of someone who has guided both.

I see a lot of pushback on the high fence. While some operations are a shoot, others can very well be a hard hunt, but with a guaranteed draw/tag, and the chance to at least harvest a trophy without spending the time afield that those with jobs out of state cannot do, most of the high fenced operations offer the hunter a reasonable choice. Safari Club recoginizes the high fence as a part of hunting. Most of African hunts are high fenced, and this is one of the few ways that they can mark the lands, keep poachers out and actually improve herds. I have yet to see the anger or the emotion generated at a poacher that I see generated on this thread towards a high fenced operation.

I guide hogs and deer in Ca and have guided high fenced hunts in both Colorado and Texas. Frankly, on private land, I can get you a hog or deer in Ca just as easily as I could on a high fenced hunt in Texas. it is my job to get you on a quality animal.

THe other point and the real point is that we hunters and gun owners have enough problems with the anti's without having to bicker among ourselves about fences. I doubt that anyone has a real problem with stocking a lake with bass or trout, but if someone fences a few miles of forest, then many hunters automatically condemn the owner.
Let's take our real fight to the places where it counts the most, against the anti's and the popular press that supports them.
Thanks for listening.
Hardpan

 

[Greg Nolan]

I agree with hardpan. There should be places for both kind of hunter. I don't hunt on or agree with high fence hunts but it's kind of like taxes, they are going to be there. For the wealthy they can, so lets solidify behind the basic concept of ( It's ok to hunt) by whatever legal means. I guess if I were rich I'd go to the far corners of the earth to hunt but for us average Jo's hunting elk and deer where we can is a privelige beyond the wildest dreams of 3/4s of the populations on earth. I hope we all realize and thank God that we have that privelige! Sorry about the pontification but I feel pretty lucky to have been born here.
Elkhunt
Good Hunting :grin:

 

[baltz526]

high fence animal killing is not hunting. no matter how hard someone thinks it is to kill an animal on a ranch like this, it can not be hunting. it is the same as shooting a beef cow in the back 40.

 

[Guy Miner]

Since my original post in February - I learned about a place called "Sanctuary" which seems to be a very interesting, well-run high fence operation. Well worth reading about before condemning the place.

http://www.sanctuary-ranch.com

Looks like the owner simply fenced off a nice chunk of whitetail real estate long ago, and has dedicated considerable resources to improving the habitat and growing really nice whitetail.

It's still not what I want in a hunt - I want the wide-open spaces, but it's an interesting operation and I'm left with the impression that it's a quality operation. All that however, is based simply on the info from their web site. I have to wonder if, given the pressure of continued development, along with the often mediocre public wildlife management, if perhaps there is a place for some operations like the one at Sanctuary. I hesitate to write harshly of the place, or any place like it. Perhaps I need to rethink my previously held beliefs and prejudices against "high fence" operations?

Regards, Guy

 

[Greg Nolan]

I'm not trying to be argumentitave about the issue but I buy beef at the store and I don't feel guilty. Yes there's hunting and there's harvesting. I guess it's a personal conscious issue. If someone feels it's wrong then they have options. The anti-hunters feel that any hunting is just slaughtering poor defensless animals. I guess we all have to decide where we stand. We don't HAVE to hunt high fence ranches, it's a choice.

 

[baltz526]

if they did not fim so called hunting shows, on these game ranches. representing them as real hunting to sell hunting products, the owners of these operations would not have brought the wrath of the non hunters/antihunters/biased hunters down on themselves nearly as bad as it has. building a high fence around a resident deer herd then selling them is just wrong. there is no moral high ground for them to stand on. standing on a fence post with yapping antihunters jumping at their tired feet is how i see it

 

[hardpan]

256;
I will stand my original statement. BTW, in Ca, we release millions of trout for "fishing." Those fish cannot escape their lake!

SCI takes a different view on the high fence. Basically, if you can hunt a specific animal, then it is not fair. But the whitetail deer almost will NEVER travel more than a mile from its birthplace, and that is about 600 acres.

But again, i do not understand the venom associated with the high fence. We use electronic gear for fishing, stock ponds, lakes, streams, and no one complains. But, the high fence automatically gets skewered.

I do know of a good fence hunt in texas. He put up the fence because the local police and wardens would not uphold trespassing laws/[poaching laws without the fence. But now, they definitely do.

Finally, we have more than enough to worry about with the current congress and a non-gun/hunting friendly press than to fight with ourselves.

Best,
Hardpan.

 

[hardpan]

One more quick point, anti hunters are against all hunting, not limited to high fences. Try taking a mountain lion in CA (illegal) Or, listen to the kooks when there is an attack in CA and they state that the lion was here first.
Hardpan

 

[old #7]

Just a Question.
If I catch a fin clipped salmon was I fishing. Should I release the fin clipped fish so I can keep a native?
Sometimes private ranches and property owners can do a better job at wildlife management than our governments.
Just look at South Dakota's pheasant population. Those ranches are making a bundle of morey and also benifiting wildlife at the same time.

I have considered going on guided out of state hunts and just because I may or may not be able to afford it doesn't mean I should be on a fenced hunt. I would rather hunt on unfenced property.
Would it make a difference if the fenced property was 50,000 acres?