Have any good loads for 300 WSM & 150 grain bullets?
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Big Squeeze
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....................JJ!........Here is a load that I worked up carefully in my individual rifle using IMR4007.JungleJim":ezl8bdu2 said:
Ruger Frontier compact; 300 WSM; 16.5" bbl.
64.5 gr. IMR 4007; WLRM primers; Win. cases; COL= 2.860"
150 gr. SST
Average chrono`d MV= 3118 fps.
3 shot group size (outer dimensions); NOT center to center= 0.544"
NOTE: BOOK MAXIMUM on the Hodgdon website IS 63.7 gr. IMR 4007!!!..........However with 64.5 gr, I had no sticky bolt lift, with only one shell out of the three showing a small shiny area at the bolt face............This is definately the max. for my rifle and was the most accurate!!...............
This may be somewhat off topic, but...
What would the benefits be of using a 150gr slug as opposed to say a 180gr or 200gr slug in a .30 Magnum (beit Wheatherby, Winchester or any of the others). I've always been in the "crowd" that feels the lighter slugs are more in line with the .308 Winchester.
Now, don't get me wrong, there is no doubt I think a good 150gr slug will do the job. I just think, if I'm shooting the Magnum variety, why not wring her out a bit and take advantage of the BC's of the heavier bullets?
Right now I shoot the 180gr AccuBond out of my .300 Win Mag and have only killed a coyote with it. Also shot one with the 165gr flat base. Big difference in wound channels between the two bullets on something as small as a coyote.
Are my thoughts a little twisted, or not.
Keep in mind, when it comes to my varmint rifles, I tend to lean to the lighter bullets (.223 40gr BT, .243 70gr BT) and I do argue with others that tell me I should used heavier slugs. So I do understand the the preferance for certain slugs.
This is just a question. Is it preferance or ballistically am I missing something?
What would the benefits be of using a 150gr slug as opposed to say a 180gr or 200gr slug in a .30 Magnum (beit Wheatherby, Winchester or any of the others). I've always been in the "crowd" that feels the lighter slugs are more in line with the .308 Winchester.
Now, don't get me wrong, there is no doubt I think a good 150gr slug will do the job. I just think, if I'm shooting the Magnum variety, why not wring her out a bit and take advantage of the BC's of the heavier bullets?
Right now I shoot the 180gr AccuBond out of my .300 Win Mag and have only killed a coyote with it. Also shot one with the 165gr flat base. Big difference in wound channels between the two bullets on something as small as a coyote.
Are my thoughts a little twisted, or not.
Keep in mind, when it comes to my varmint rifles, I tend to lean to the lighter bullets (.223 40gr BT, .243 70gr BT) and I do argue with others that tell me I should used heavier slugs. So I do understand the the preferance for certain slugs.
This is just a question. Is it preferance or ballistically am I missing something?
Richracer1
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I have the same opinion as you. I have a 300RUM and never even considered using anything under 180gn pills. I only use 200AB in it now. That's not to say I couldn't, but my line of thinking is, why shorten the barrel life even more by tossing a 165 or 150 pill down range at warp speed. To each their own. 
FWIW a buddy of mine says the same about his 300WM, why shoot anything but the 200gn pills?
FWIW a buddy of mine says the same about his 300WM, why shoot anything but the 200gn pills?
Big Squeeze
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I`ll also agree!............For hunting, the 165 grainers on up are better ballistically downrange in the 300 WSM or any .30! The only reason I have used the 150`s, was to simply test them at the range for curiosity reasons.............For the quality and price, the Hornady SST`s cannot be beat for their BC. They are an outstanding bullet for deer, and elk. Starting with the 165 gr. they are also my favorite for pigs of any size!
Are the Hornady SST's the same as the Remington Accutips? I'd heard that before and some friends used them on an Antelope hunt (.243 100gr and .30-06 150gr) I was not impressed. Both killed the antelope at 300+- yards, per range finder. Niether showed any significant sign of expanding. Both had .24 and .30 exit holes. Compared to my antelope shot at 185 yards, .25-06 110gr AccuBond, 3/4 inch exit. And one shot at 235 yards, 7mm-08 140gr ballistic tip with a tennis ball sized exit hole.
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Thanks for the input.
OK here is my explanation on bullet weight. More or less want to experiment with the longer 30 cal 150 unleaded bullets such as the 150 grain Etip and Barnes TTSX bullets. Much of this depends on the accuracy I get out of the 150 grain unleaded bullets in this WSM. In bullet performance my main goals are combined / accuracy / penetration / expansion with...... ballistic coefficient taking a back seat within reason.
I am a big proponent on premium deep penetrating bullets. Heavy weight bullets for the cal does not necessary translate into deep penetration well performing bullets.
Tell you a little story here. Back in the 70s I shot a smallish black tail buck head on into the chest that was about 80 yards away and up hill from me. The rifle was a 30-06 700 with Rem FL 180 grain Core lokts. The little black tail was not impressed after I shot him. He charged right at me full speed fully intent on schikabobing me with his rack. I manged to jump out of the way at the last few seconds as he went by me. About 25 yards later he pilled up and died. When I was gutting him out I was totally shocked at the lack of penetration of that big bad 180 Core Lokt.
When I use 30 cal for hunting I normally use a 180 or 165 grain Partition. If I feel the need for more bullet than that for hunting I usually go up to my 338 W or 340 Roy. On these two rifles both of them shoot the 210 & 250 Nosler Partition very well. These two rifles have shot a lot of big game animals over a couple decades such as Elk, Deer with an occasional Moose and Bear thrown in with both the 210 & 250 Partition.
The odd thing is both the 210 grain and 250 grain Partition (If I do my part) seem to always result in 1 shot stops and rarely recovered slugs. Yet I read on the internet where some people think a lighter weight 210 338 cal would be very marginal at best compared to a 250 grain 338 cal on big game animals. In the real world I can not tell any difference in performance on big game other than the 210 Partition is flatter shooting.
Another thing is one of my Hunting buddys uses a 300 WBY with FL 150 partitions. He does not like the recoil of the FL 180 loads. So long ago he settled on the 150 grain partitions WBY FL load. I've never seen him fail to stop an animal with those good 150 grain bullets. In the 90s I watched him drop a mule deer at 435 yards with one shot. We checked it with range finder. So I got to wonder how important BC is under normal hunting conditions.
OK here is my explanation on bullet weight. More or less want to experiment with the longer 30 cal 150 unleaded bullets such as the 150 grain Etip and Barnes TTSX bullets. Much of this depends on the accuracy I get out of the 150 grain unleaded bullets in this WSM. In bullet performance my main goals are combined / accuracy / penetration / expansion with...... ballistic coefficient taking a back seat within reason.
I am a big proponent on premium deep penetrating bullets. Heavy weight bullets for the cal does not necessary translate into deep penetration well performing bullets.
Tell you a little story here. Back in the 70s I shot a smallish black tail buck head on into the chest that was about 80 yards away and up hill from me. The rifle was a 30-06 700 with Rem FL 180 grain Core lokts. The little black tail was not impressed after I shot him. He charged right at me full speed fully intent on schikabobing me with his rack. I manged to jump out of the way at the last few seconds as he went by me. About 25 yards later he pilled up and died. When I was gutting him out I was totally shocked at the lack of penetration of that big bad 180 Core Lokt.
When I use 30 cal for hunting I normally use a 180 or 165 grain Partition. If I feel the need for more bullet than that for hunting I usually go up to my 338 W or 340 Roy. On these two rifles both of them shoot the 210 & 250 Nosler Partition very well. These two rifles have shot a lot of big game animals over a couple decades such as Elk, Deer with an occasional Moose and Bear thrown in with both the 210 & 250 Partition.
The odd thing is both the 210 grain and 250 grain Partition (If I do my part) seem to always result in 1 shot stops and rarely recovered slugs. Yet I read on the internet where some people think a lighter weight 210 338 cal would be very marginal at best compared to a 250 grain 338 cal on big game animals. In the real world I can not tell any difference in performance on big game other than the 210 Partition is flatter shooting.
Another thing is one of my Hunting buddys uses a 300 WBY with FL 150 partitions. He does not like the recoil of the FL 180 loads. So long ago he settled on the 150 grain partitions WBY FL load. I've never seen him fail to stop an animal with those good 150 grain bullets. In the 90s I watched him drop a mule deer at 435 yards with one shot. We checked it with range finder. So I got to wonder how important BC is under normal hunting conditions.
Big Squeeze
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................I don`t consider the SST`s like the Rem Accu-tips.....I consider the SST`s to be better! I have had no problem with expansion on the many pigs, large and small I have killed! None have ever needed a second shot with the SST`sColin":3p0wvnyx said:
Jungle Jim,
Perfect response, thank you. I was just curious. I hope it did not come across that I was saying it was the wrong choice. What you said makes sence to me.
Big Squeeze,
Much to my suprize... I was told the Accutip, was the exact bullet as the SST just a different colored tip and in a Remington box. I could be remembering incorrectly, though. Glad they are working well for you.
Perfect response, thank you. I was just curious. I hope it did not come across that I was saying it was the wrong choice. What you said makes sence to me.
Big Squeeze,
Much to my suprize... I was told the Accutip, was the exact bullet as the SST just a different colored tip and in a Remington box. I could be remembering incorrectly, though. Glad they are working well for you.
Big Squeeze
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.....................Colin............Best to try calling Hornady directly and ask them what the differences are between the SST`s and the Remy Accutips. They may know, they may not!..........From experience, what I can tell you is that the SST`s are a devastating pig/boar bullet. Except for the tip, who told you that the two bullets were the same??.........You may wish to tell Hornady the same bullet story you mentioned on this thread and see what they say!............Colin":3krqkmb0 said:
Big Squeeze
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........................Also! On the "reloadersnest" website under "bullet review" you`ll find a list of just about every bullet out there and the comments from the shooters/hunters who have used them!Big Squeeze":2p1alpht said:
I had told the story about the Accutips...and a friend of mine who, also is a fan of the SST's told me they were the same bullet. He had a hard time with my story, as he (and so many others) have had great results from the SST's. I'm not challenging the bullet, just was curious if anybody else had heard they were the same. I don't think I have heard a bad thing about the SST's, yet, had heard a number of bad stories about the Accutip.
Alaska
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HYBRID 100V™
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Works very good with 150's in the 300 WSM.
This excellent new product is the result of combining the technologies of spherical powders and extruded propellants. The chemistry of a spherical powder is combined with the geometry of an extruded propellant, creating a smooth-metering, super short granule extruded shaped propellant with high energy. HYBRID 100V has a burn speed between H4350 and H4831, yeilding superb performance in such popular calibers as 270 Winchester, 243 Winchester Super Short Magnum, 7mm Remington Magnum, 300 Winchester Magnum and dozens more.
Works very good with 150's in the 300 WSM.
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Cartridge : .300 WSM (CIP)
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch or 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
106 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon H4350 103.3 69.3 4.49 3288 99.6 64000 11179 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 100.5 72.2 4.68 3284 99.4 64000 11312 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 97.9 69.8 4.53 3280 98.9 64000 11324 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 103.2 68.9 4.46 3268 100.0 64000 10913 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 103.3 68.9 4.46 3268 100.0 64000 10910 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 100.3 69.1 4.48 3267 99.9 64000 11042 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 105.0 70.4 4.56 3266 100.0 61975 10552 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 94.1 67.6 4.38 3250 99.2 64000 11025 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 102.5 71.4 4.62 3250 97.3 64000 11199 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 99.5 67.1 4.35 3249 100.0 64000 10525 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 96.5 67.2 4.36 3247 100.0 64000 10510 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 95.3 62.2 4.03 3240 100.0 64000 9941 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 94.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 10414 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 94.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 10414 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 94.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 10414 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 94.4 63.7 4.13 3226 100.0 64000 10324 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 70.8 4.59 3224 97.1 62285 11128 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 105.0 70.8 4.59 3224 97.1 62285 11128 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 95.2 65.6 4.25 3218 99.8 64000 10526 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 95.7 65.2 4.23 3214 100.0 64000 10148 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 95.9 63.6 4.12 3211 100.0 64000 10030 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 91.8 66.0 4.27 3210 99.8 64000 10399 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 100.7 65.3 4.23 3208 100.0 64000 10067 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 98.0 64.6 4.19 3203 100.0 64000 10078 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 91.7 63.9 4.14 3201 100.0 64000 10063 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 105.0 67.7 4.39 3199 99.8 59585 10799 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.0 70.4 4.56 3199 96.6 59156 11214 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 105.0 73.9 4.79 3197 97.3 53857 11990 1.128
ADI AR 2208 96.4 63.1 4.09 3191 100.0 64000 10041 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 96.8 63.1 4.09 3191 100.0 64000 10041 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 100.1 66.2 4.29 3191 98.4 64000 10520 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 96.9 66.3 4.30 3190 98.4 64000 10512 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 93.5 58.9 3.82 3186 100.0 64000 9367 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 97.4 62.0 4.02 3183 100.0 64000 9858 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 90.8 63.1 4.09 3179 100.0 64000 9547 1.082 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 70.8 4.59 3178 96.5 57703 11232 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 96.5 63.0 4.08 3176 100.0 64000 9498 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 99.9 62.9 4.08 3173 100.0 64000 9536 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 105.0 69.8 4.52 3164 95.7 60951 10721 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 93.9 61.1 3.96 3159 100.0 64000 9539 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 91.5 60.7 3.93 3157 100.0 64000 9341 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 93.7 63.9 4.14 3157 100.0 64000 9476 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 103.1 65.6 4.25 3156 100.0 64000 9462 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 72.7 4.71 3154 93.9 54521 11545 1.117
Vihtavuori N140 99.4 64.4 4.17 3151 100.0 64000 9414 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 105.0 67.8 4.39 3147 95.6 58674 10808 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 92.9 59.3 3.84 3147 100.0 64000 9194 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 70.8 4.59 3146 96.2 56353 11072 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 90.2 57.8 3.75 3137 100.0 64000 9204 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 97.9 68.2 4.42 3134 98.2 64000 9895 1.071 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 105.0 71.6 4.64 3132 97.4 57116 10793 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 91.1 60.8 3.94 3129 100.0 64000 9274 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 90.3 60.9 3.95 3124 100.0 64000 9242 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 72.3 4.69 3119 92.7 51358 11717 1.153
Vihtavuori N135 99.5 60.8 3.94 3118 100.0 64000 8774 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 71.6 4.64 3111 93.3 53179 11301 1.130
Raufoss RA15 105.0 71.6 4.64 3098 95.0 50704 11433 1.163
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 71.6 4.64 3098 95.0 50704 11433 1.163
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 71.6 4.64 3098 95.0 50704 11433 1.163
Somchem S335 91.7 60.5 3.92 3084 100.0 64000 8655 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 75.3 4.88 3083 90.4 50253 11594 1.170
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 71.6 4.64 3069 92.3 54037 10690 1.130
Vihtavuori N133 93.5 57.7 3.74 3061 100.0 64000 8260 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 67.8 4.39 3059 98.1 51576 10576 1.173
Rottweil R905 105.0 70.3 4.55 3018 91.9 48976 10825 1.184
Winchester WXR 105.0 70.0 4.54 3005 93.4 46345 11102 1.213
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 75.6 4.90 2988 91.5 46207 11194 1.208
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 75.6 4.90 2982 91.2 45951 11177 1.211
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 105.0 75.4 4.89 2977 91.1 45699 11167 1.214
IMR 7828 105.0 68.8 4.46 2954 90.5 44927 10814 1.222
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 70.0 4.54 2944 94.6 47652 10008 1.206
ADI AP 2214 105.0 73.5 4.76 2939 90.5 46137 10633 1.209
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 67.9 4.40 2935 92.5 48979 9832 1.191
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 68.8 4.46 2934 90.0 47144 10199 1.203
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 70.4 4.56 2933 95.9 41826 11033 1.265
Accurate 3100 105.0 67.0 4.34 2825 95.0 41132 9853 1.319
Norma MRP 2 105.0 70.8 4.59 2812 88.0 37488 10674 1.341
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 74.7 4.84 2758 78.7 36482 10705 1.358
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 70.0 4.54 2754 86.5 38601 9858 1.316
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 71.2 4.61 2656 86.9 33025 10146 1.409
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 70.0 4.54 2605 77.9 34492 8935 1.409
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 75.4 4.89 2594 70.2 35599 8874 1.381
ADI AR 2218 105.0 75.4 4.89 2567 70.2 33415 9425 1.416
Hodgdon H870 105.0 73.1 4.74 2515 75.0 29301 9412 1.499
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 75.4 4.89 2482 71.5 30112 8878 1.486
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 71.9 4.66 2404 61.8 29057 7980 1.510
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 72.3 4.69 2342 69.2 26013 7996 1.586
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 72.3 4.69 2275 65.5 24633 7599 1.624
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 76.2 4.94 2255 62.6 24471 7597 1.627
Accurate 8700 105.0 72.5 4.70 2235 64.0 24305 7313 1.634
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 69.3 4.49 2128 44.6 24426 5527 1.639
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 69.3 4.49 2105 48.2 22664 5852 1.688
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 69.3 4.49 1522 22.1 13167 2702 2.151
Bullet : .308, 150, Nosler AccuBond 56719
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.860 inch or 72.64 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch or 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
106 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon H4350 103.3 69.3 4.49 3288 99.6 64000 11179 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 100.5 72.2 4.68 3284 99.4 64000 11312 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 97.9 69.8 4.53 3280 98.9 64000 11324 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 103.2 68.9 4.46 3268 100.0 64000 10913 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 103.3 68.9 4.46 3268 100.0 64000 10910 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 100.3 69.1 4.48 3267 99.9 64000 11042 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 105.0 70.4 4.56 3266 100.0 61975 10552 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 94.1 67.6 4.38 3250 99.2 64000 11025 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 102.5 71.4 4.62 3250 97.3 64000 11199 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot BigGame 99.5 67.1 4.35 3249 100.0 64000 10525 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 96.5 67.2 4.36 3247 100.0 64000 10510 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 95.3 62.2 4.03 3240 100.0 64000 9941 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 94.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 10414 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 94.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 10414 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 94.0 63.4 4.11 3230 100.0 64000 10414 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 94.4 63.7 4.13 3226 100.0 64000 10324 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 70.8 4.59 3224 97.1 62285 11128 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 105.0 70.8 4.59 3224 97.1 62285 11128 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 95.2 65.6 4.25 3218 99.8 64000 10526 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 95.7 65.2 4.23 3214 100.0 64000 10148 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 95.9 63.6 4.12 3211 100.0 64000 10030 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 91.8 66.0 4.27 3210 99.8 64000 10399 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 100.7 65.3 4.23 3208 100.0 64000 10067 1.079 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 98.0 64.6 4.19 3203 100.0 64000 10078 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 91.7 63.9 4.14 3201 100.0 64000 10063 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 105.0 67.7 4.39 3199 99.8 59585 10799 1.109 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 105.0 70.4 4.56 3199 96.6 59156 11214 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 105.0 73.9 4.79 3197 97.3 53857 11990 1.128
ADI AR 2208 96.4 63.1 4.09 3191 100.0 64000 10041 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 96.8 63.1 4.09 3191 100.0 64000 10041 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 100.1 66.2 4.29 3191 98.4 64000 10520 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 96.9 66.3 4.30 3190 98.4 64000 10512 1.066 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 93.5 58.9 3.82 3186 100.0 64000 9367 1.070 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064 97.4 62.0 4.02 3183 100.0 64000 9858 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 90.8 63.1 4.09 3179 100.0 64000 9547 1.082 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 70.8 4.59 3178 96.5 57703 11232 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 96.5 63.0 4.08 3176 100.0 64000 9498 1.060 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 99.9 62.9 4.08 3173 100.0 64000 9536 1.098 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 105.0 69.8 4.52 3164 95.7 60951 10721 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 93.9 61.1 3.96 3159 100.0 64000 9539 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 91.5 60.7 3.93 3157 100.0 64000 9341 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 93.7 63.9 4.14 3157 100.0 64000 9476 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150 103.1 65.6 4.25 3156 100.0 64000 9462 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 72.7 4.71 3154 93.9 54521 11545 1.117
Vihtavuori N140 99.4 64.4 4.17 3151 100.0 64000 9414 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 105.0 67.8 4.39 3147 95.6 58674 10808 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 92.9 59.3 3.84 3147 100.0 64000 9194 1.103 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 70.8 4.59 3146 96.2 56353 11072 1.111 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 90.2 57.8 3.75 3137 100.0 64000 9204 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700 97.9 68.2 4.42 3134 98.2 64000 9895 1.071 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 105.0 71.6 4.64 3132 97.4 57116 10793 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 91.1 60.8 3.94 3129 100.0 64000 9274 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 90.3 60.9 3.95 3124 100.0 64000 9242 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 72.3 4.69 3119 92.7 51358 11717 1.153
Vihtavuori N135 99.5 60.8 3.94 3118 100.0 64000 8774 1.081 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 71.6 4.64 3111 93.3 53179 11301 1.130
Raufoss RA15 105.0 71.6 4.64 3098 95.0 50704 11433 1.163
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 71.6 4.64 3098 95.0 50704 11433 1.163
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 71.6 4.64 3098 95.0 50704 11433 1.163
Somchem S335 91.7 60.5 3.92 3084 100.0 64000 8655 1.080 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 75.3 4.88 3083 90.4 50253 11594 1.170
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 71.6 4.64 3069 92.3 54037 10690 1.130
Vihtavuori N133 93.5 57.7 3.74 3061 100.0 64000 8260 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 105.0 67.8 4.39 3059 98.1 51576 10576 1.173
Rottweil R905 105.0 70.3 4.55 3018 91.9 48976 10825 1.184
Winchester WXR 105.0 70.0 4.54 3005 93.4 46345 11102 1.213
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 75.6 4.90 2988 91.5 46207 11194 1.208
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 75.6 4.90 2982 91.2 45951 11177 1.211
Ramshot Magnum (Big Boy) 105.0 75.4 4.89 2977 91.1 45699 11167 1.214
IMR 7828 105.0 68.8 4.46 2954 90.5 44927 10814 1.222
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 70.0 4.54 2944 94.6 47652 10008 1.206
ADI AP 2214 105.0 73.5 4.76 2939 90.5 46137 10633 1.209
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 67.9 4.40 2935 92.5 48979 9832 1.191
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 68.8 4.46 2934 90.0 47144 10199 1.203
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 70.4 4.56 2933 95.9 41826 11033 1.265
Accurate 3100 105.0 67.0 4.34 2825 95.0 41132 9853 1.319
Norma MRP 2 105.0 70.8 4.59 2812 88.0 37488 10674 1.341
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 74.7 4.84 2758 78.7 36482 10705 1.358
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 70.0 4.54 2754 86.5 38601 9858 1.316
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 71.2 4.61 2656 86.9 33025 10146 1.409
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 70.0 4.54 2605 77.9 34492 8935 1.409
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 75.4 4.89 2594 70.2 35599 8874 1.381
ADI AR 2218 105.0 75.4 4.89 2567 70.2 33415 9425 1.416
Hodgdon H870 105.0 73.1 4.74 2515 75.0 29301 9412 1.499
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 75.4 4.89 2482 71.5 30112 8878 1.486
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 71.9 4.66 2404 61.8 29057 7980 1.510
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 72.3 4.69 2342 69.2 26013 7996 1.586
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 72.3 4.69 2275 65.5 24633 7599 1.624
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 76.2 4.94 2255 62.6 24471 7597 1.627
Accurate 8700 105.0 72.5 4.70 2235 64.0 24305 7313 1.634
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 69.3 4.49 2128 44.6 24426 5527 1.639
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 69.3 4.49 2105 48.2 22664 5852 1.688
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 69.3 4.49 1522 22.1 13167 2702 2.151
Antelope_Sniper
Handloader
- Jan 25, 2008
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Nice Post Jim.
Alot of people don't realize you can have a bullet too big realitive to the game you are shooting. Now this was a much bigger issue in the "old days" before we had things like BT, Etips, and Accubonds.
But if you have a big bullet, of solid construction, and a small target, like a little blacktail, that bullet will be out the other side before it has time to expand. My dad used to shoot deer and antelope with his .338Mag wsing 215 - 250 gr Sierra's. He also used 200gr speer's and adventually Nosler began making the 200gr BT for the .338. The funny thing was, I left bigger holes with my little 130-150gr Nosler Solid base bullets out of my .270 win. The smaller, higher velocity bullets had more of an opportunity to expand. Of course, on something big like Elk, we know who did more damage, and it wasn't me! :grin:
Another advantage of a lighter bullet, is the higher velocity. Even though the lighter bullet may have a lower BC, it's not uncommon, that after you plug the results into a balistic's program, to discover the lighter higher velocity bullet will have a flatter trajectory.
High velocity 150gr ab/etip would make a nice deer/antelope bullet for the 300 wsm, but for a deer/antelope/elk/moose hunt, I'd probably go with a nice 180gr bullet.
Alot of people don't realize you can have a bullet too big realitive to the game you are shooting. Now this was a much bigger issue in the "old days" before we had things like BT, Etips, and Accubonds.
But if you have a big bullet, of solid construction, and a small target, like a little blacktail, that bullet will be out the other side before it has time to expand. My dad used to shoot deer and antelope with his .338Mag wsing 215 - 250 gr Sierra's. He also used 200gr speer's and adventually Nosler began making the 200gr BT for the .338. The funny thing was, I left bigger holes with my little 130-150gr Nosler Solid base bullets out of my .270 win.
The smaller, higher velocity bullets had more of an opportunity to expand. Of course, on something big like Elk, we know who did more damage, and it wasn't me! :grin: Another advantage of a lighter bullet, is the higher velocity. Even though the lighter bullet may have a lower BC, it's not uncommon, that after you plug the results into a balistic's program, to discover the lighter higher velocity bullet will have a flatter trajectory.
High velocity 150gr ab/etip would make a nice deer/antelope bullet for the 300 wsm, but for a deer/antelope/elk/moose hunt, I'd probably go with a nice 180gr bullet.
Jim, I have been working with the 150 ET/BT combo out of a .300WSM.
Here's my rifles favorite loads(both fairly mild).
Sako 85 (24 3/8" barrel)
.300 WSM
W/W Brass
CCI 250's
150 ET
65.5 grains H4350
2.82" COL
3120 FPS
150 BT
65 grains H4350
2.85" COL
3100 FPS
Using the above loads, both bullets share the same POI. Accuracy is right around 1"@100.
I'm really looking forward to hunting with the E-Tip this Fall.
Here's my rifles favorite loads(both fairly mild).
Sako 85 (24 3/8" barrel)
.300 WSM
W/W Brass
CCI 250's
150 ET
65.5 grains H4350
2.82" COL
3120 FPS
150 BT
65 grains H4350
2.85" COL
3100 FPS
Using the above loads, both bullets share the same POI. Accuracy is right around 1"@100.
I'm really looking forward to hunting with the E-Tip this Fall.
Guy Miner
Master Loader
- Apr 6, 2006
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Given the "monolithic" construction of the E-tip - do you fellows figure the 150 grain .30 caliber is enough for elk?
I'd be running it from a .300 WSM.
I'd be running it from a .300 WSM.
- Oct 30, 2004
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Absolutely! 8)
Richracer1
Handloader
- May 12, 2005
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- 117
Guy Miner":20voywel said:
I agree with POP.
You'll find some that will say no, but far more will say that's more than enough bullet.
