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IdahoCTD":1gddncvi said:A large portion of the game I shoot is short distance as well but when I need to I shoot things at long range I'm prepared. In the last 2 years I have shot 2 elk under 150yds, one elk under 250yds, a antelope at 513yds, and a deer at 1006yds. If you add the year before that I shot a elk at just over 400yds.
Guy Miner":1t8vb5o3 said:IdahoCTD":1t8vb5o3 said:A large portion of the game I shoot is short distance as well but when I need to I shoot things at long range I'm prepared. In the last 2 years I have shot 2 elk under 150yds, one elk under 250yds, a antelope at 513yds, and a deer at 1006yds. If you add the year before that I shot a elk at just over 400yds.
Then for you sir, shooting game at 500 & 1000 yards, of course you need a rifle with match-grade accuracy! :grin:
The rest of us poor slobs are fine with our standard MOA or so rifles! :mrgreen:
I make a lot more difference by tuning up the shooter, than by tuning up the rifle or load.
Regards, Guy
Vince":ekqshlgl said:Guy Miner":ekqshlgl said:IdahoCTD":ekqshlgl said:A large portion of the game I shoot is short distance as well but when I need to I shoot things at long range I'm prepared. In the last 2 years I have shot 2 elk under 150yds, one elk under 250yds, a antelope at 513yds, and a deer at 1006yds. If you add the year before that I shot a elk at just over 400yds.
Then for you sir, shooting game at 500 & 1000 yards, of course you need a rifle with match-grade accuracy! :grin:
The rest of us poor slobs are fine with our standard MOA or so rifles! :mrgreen:
I make a lot more difference by tuning up the shooter, than by tuning up the rifle or load.
Regards, Guy
usmc 89":1ythuwwl said:Vince":1ythuwwl said:Guy Miner":1ythuwwl said:IdahoCTD":1ythuwwl said:A large portion of the game I shoot is short distance as well but when I need to I shoot things at long range I'm prepared. In the last 2 years I have shot 2 elk under 150yds, one elk under 250yds, a antelope at 513yds, and a deer at 1006yds. If you add the year before that I shot a elk at just over 400yds.
Then for you sir, shooting game at 500 & 1000 yards, of course you need a rifle with match-grade accuracy! :grin:
The rest of us poor slobs are fine with our standard MOA or so rifles! :mrgreen:
I make a lot more difference by tuning up the shooter, than by tuning up the rifle or load.
Regards, Guy
If one is tuning up the load, and testing it at the range wouldn't they also be tuning up, as the shooter, given that they are shooting more?
Yes and no. Yes if your shooting from a bench while you hunt, No if your shooting from the ground off a bipod, sitting, kneeling, or offhand which are generally the positions employed while hunting. Your point of impact will change from one position to the next due to recoil impulse and mass behind the rifle. Obviously your bench zero and your bipod prone will be similar in regards to predictable impact, but your kneeling, and sitting will tend to shoot high because of the recoil impulse and lack of linear mass behind the rifle. At least that is what i have experienced. This gets even more noticeable when shooting the larger rifles.Off hand is a whole other issue I try to avoid at all costs. Just my opinion and experience.
usmc 89":122r4iad said:Yes and no. Yes if your shooting from a bench while you hunt, No if your shooting from the ground off a bipod, sitting, kneeling, or offhand which are generally the positions employed while hunting. Your point of impact will change from one position to the next due to recoil impulse and mass behind the rifle. Obviously your bench zero and your bipod prone will be similar in regards to predictable impact, but your kneeling, and sitting will tend to shoot high because of the recoil impulse and lack of linear mass behind the rifle. At least that is what i have experienced. This gets even more noticeable when shooting the larger rifles.Off hand is a whole other issue I try to avoid at all costs. Just my opinion and experience.
Vince":1m659658 said:If one is tuning up the load, and testing it at the range wouldn't they also be tuning up, as the shooter, given that they are shooting more?
Vince
Guy Miner":39d8gsls said:I've based my rifle practice on what I do when I hunt, as well as decades of USMC & SWAT experience.
Regards, Guy
Guy Miner":213pi0t7 said:Vince":213pi0t7 said:If one is tuning up the load, and testing it at the range wouldn't they also be tuning up, as the shooter, given that they are shooting more?
Vince
No. Most load/rifle tweaking is done from a bench, to eliminate human error and make that rifle/ammo combo as accurate as possible.
My shooter tune-up includes a LOT of offhand, kneeling, sitting and prone practice. That's where I put my emphasis, on my marksmanship skills.
That's of course after I'm happy with the rifle, scope and ammo, from the bench. I don't spend a lot of time at the bench.
As hunting season approaches, I'll use a steel gong at 100, 200 & 300 yards. Typically using my .308 or .30-06, and fire 50 rounds over the course of an hour or two in the morning. By the time hunting season rolls around, every week I'm shooting 50 rounds at 300 yards with my hunting rifle:
10 prone
10 sitting
10 kneeling
20 standing
I'll also do other drills, like quick reaction stuff. Bringing the rifle up from carry position & taking a snap shot at that steel target at 50 yards or more. Good fun, and really sharpens up the ol skills. Makes me a better shot in the field.
I've based my rifle practice on what I do when I hunt, as well as decades of USMC & SWAT experience.
Regards, Guy
After you posted that I have been thinking about my last offhand shot. It has really been a long time. I know that I have killed several elk at under 50 yards and a couple closer than that, and those were offhand, but they were years ago. For anything in and around the 100-150 range I am usually off one knee, two of those in the last three years. But as my average range is in and around the 300 yard mark most have been killed prone. Without my notes it's hard for me to remember but say in the last five years, it breaks down like this. 1 sitting, 2 kneeling, 6 prone."Off hand is a whole other issue I try to avoid at all costs. Just my opinion and experience."
Vince":2tggumgj said:I always try to find the most stable position I can given the conditions presented.