IMR 7828 in a 3006

[C.Smith]

Anyone tried 7828 in their 3006? If so what was your results and what was your load? I just bought one, and I'm planning on using the 165 AccuBond and have some of this powder.

Thanks.

Corey

 

[Guest]

I think you may find that 7828 is a bit slow for the 30-06. I'd lean more toward either of the 4895's, 4350's, or perhaps something like RL15 or RL19. Just my $.02.

 

[JD338]

RL22 would be a very good starting point in your 30-06 with a 165 gr bullet. :wink:

 

[R Flowers]

Again, JD338 is right on track. RL 22 is an excellant choice with 165 grain bullets in the 30-06.

I was amazed at the accuracy and speeds I got with a buddies 30-06 when I started using RL 22 in it.

Having said that, the classic powder for the 30-06 has to be any of the various 4350 offerings. I have loaded about a jillion rounds for a couple of other guys 30-06 rilfes using 4350 powders.

I do not think you will have good luck with IMR 7828 in the 30-06. It just burns too slow to be of much use in that cartidge. On the other hand, it works great in my 25-06 when shooting heavy bullets.

 

[Guy Miner]

Corey - I've never thought about using 7828 in the .30-06, but check your load manuals, maybe I've just missed something.

I've been loading the good old .30-06 for a long time. I think you're on the right track with that 165 grain bullet weight, it works really well. I'm with the other guys, my best results with the .30-06 have come with H4350 or Reloader 22. Both provided a great combination of velocity and accuracy.

Regards, Guy

 

[kraky]

I've gotten good speed and accuracy with the ssc version of 7828 under a 180. But, if you have the normal 7828 you'll never get enough in the case to get a good clean burn with a 165. AS the others have said...the 4350's and 165's are like apple pie and ice cream.

 

[Guest]

I checked several load manuals and websites, and found nothing for 7828 in relation to a 30-06. I think you're better off following the crowd and using 4350 or RL22.

 

[steve4102]

Hodgdon has data for the 30-06 with 7828, but only with the heavies, 190gr and up. I agree with the rest, to slow especially with the 165gr.

 

[rick smith]

My normal load for a 30/06 is 58.5-58.8grs of IMR-4350, WLR or 210M primer, just about any 165gr bullet. Used that load on at least 20 different 30/06s in the last ten years and it has worked great in all of them.Rick.

 

[reflex264]

My vote as well H4350 with 210M primers is hard to beat. I have had great success with 2015BR and 760 as well. I Have data for the 06 with 7828 and there is always some laying around here for my .264 and various other magnum cartridges but it is hard to stray from the obvious choices. reflex264

 

[C.Smith]

Well I don't know how I got by with out this sight. Thanks for the information I will just use the RL22.

I was asking about 7828 because when I was loading for my old .270 140 BT I was using 7828 and got great velocity and accuracy out of it. Plus I had some on hand from failed loads in my 7mm RM which I think I'm going to sell now.

What kind of velocities are we talking about out of a 22 inch barrel with a max load of RL22? Also my Nosler book says to WLR primers which I'm assuming is standard rifle primer and not a magnum?

And I'm sure I don't need a magnum primer, right?

Corey

 

[Guest]

You are correct, WLR is the Winchester Large Rifle primer. You won't need a magnum primer with the RL22, but you might find them to be better, or worse than standard. I don't use mag primers with Reloder powders in my standard cartridges.

As for velocities, you should get something on the order of 2900-3000 at max charge. Your gun may be off by 50fps or so to the low side. If you start seeing 3100fps, you're likely in dangerous territory. You likely know that every rifle is different, in terms of velocity.

Out of curiosity, what is wrong with your 7mmRemMag? And what gun is it? You might could sell it on here to someone.

 

[fredj338]

I like 7828ssc a bit better than RL22 under 180gr bullets in the 06. Accuracy is very good & vel. of 2750fps+ w/o any pressure signs.

 

[C.Smith]

You are correct, WLR is the Winchester Large Rifle primer. You won't need a magnum primer with the RL22, but you might find them to be better, or worse than standard. I don't use mag primers with Reloder powders in my standard cartridges.

As for velocities, you should get something on the order of 2900-3000 at max charge. Your gun may be off by 50fps or so to the low side. If you start seeing 3100fps, you're likely in dangerous territory. You likely know that every rifle is different, in terms of velocity.

Out of curiosity, what is wrong with your 7mmRemMag? And what gun is it? You might could sell it on here to someone.

Well The 7mmRM is just been to unconsistant for me. I have tried mutliple powder, bullet, primer, case changes and can not get it to shoot like I want it to shoot. Maybe expecting to much out of it. It is a Remington 700 BDL.

I may keep the 700 and play with it when I have time, but I feel like it is consuming me and all I'm doing is playing around with components instead of shooting and practicing for the up and coming deer and elk season.

I got an unbelievable deal on the Savage model 14 Classic, wood stock, accutrigger, hinged floor plate. It was brand new and cost me $350 plus tax. I could not pass on the deal it was so good. (Good friend is the manager of a retail store, got this gun as a freebe from Savage for the amount they have sold).

Corey

 

[Guy Miner]

Corey - I'm getting 2750 fps with 165 Nosler Partitions from my 21" .30-06, but am loading a bit shy of max. It's such a nice shooting load, that I like it better than the max charge/max velocity version. Wouldn't be any problem to bump it up to 2800 or so, but I have no desire to do so.

By the way - you got a great deal on that Savage! :grin: Those are good looking rifles too, with excellent accuracy potential.

I've had great results with the 7mm Rem mag, and Rem 700 rifles. Usually they respond very well to a few proven loads, and maybe a little fussing with the rifle, if they don't shoot well right out of the box. Generally though, they shoot pretty darned well.

Best of luck, sounds like your new '06 is going to do a fine job for you this fall!

Regards, Guy

 

[GSSP]

Corey,

You can try 7828 in your 30-06. Don't worry about putting too much in as you won't be able to get too much in to damage anything. In fact you'll need to trickle in a charge very slowly through a long drop tube to get in enough to get decent velocities.....and.....you'll have to compress the heck out of it. Make sure it's the sc version. Best to use 180+ gr bullets as well.

I use Rel 25 (equal burn rate) in my 30-06 Ackley Imp with 180 BT/AB and easilty get 3000 from my 26" Lilja barrel. My max is around 3100 fps. My max was 70.5 gr but I settled on 68.5 which fills the case 3/4 up the neck. I seat .015" of the lands for .5 to .75" groups. Win cases and Fed 210M primers.

FYI, I'm getting about 4 gr more in my Ackley case vs the original '06 case.

 

[C.Smith]

Thanks for all the replies. Looks like a friend of mine is going to buy my 7mmRm. He is going to use the action for another project, so that works out well for both of us.

Corey

 

[C.Smith]

Corey,

You can try 7828 in your 30-06. Don't worry about putting too much in as you won't be able to get too much in to damage anything. In fact you'll need to trickle in a charge very slowly through a long drop tube to get in enough to get decent velocities.....and.....you'll have to compress the heck out of it. Make sure it's the sc version. Best to use 180+ gr bullets as well.

I use Rel 25 (equal burn rate) in my 30-06 Ackley Imp with 180 BT/AB and easilty get 3000 from my 26" Lilja barrel. My max is around 3100 fps. My max was 70.5 gr but I settled on 68.5 which fills the case 3/4 up the neck. I seat .015" of the lands for .5 to .75" groups. Win cases and Fed 210M primers.

FYI, I'm getting about 4 gr more in my Ackley case vs the original '06 case.

How hard was it to have it converted to the Ackley improved?

Corey

 

[JD338]

The AI is a blown out case with a 40* shoulder. You shoot standard 30-06 ammo in it to fire form your cases.
A good gunsmith can rechamber your rifle to an AI but for top performance, you should have the action blueprinted and have a high quality barrel fittted.

 

[C.Smith]

Cool thanks. Some day I will know what it means to blueprint an action.

Corey