just wondering?? one of my 35 whelens???

[fordwrench]

guys , i have 3 35 whelens in the safe . 2 7600 rem pumps and one newly aquired rem 700 bolt. years ago i developed a WARM load of 60.0 grs or h335 , rem brass, rem 9.5 mag primers at 3.260 in 225 sierra bt for my pump gun. the the load is easy sub moa and is very terminal on p.a. and w.v. whitetails. curious of the pressure generated by this load and or velocity since i have never had a chance since my chrono died. all 22in remington barrels on these guns. as a side note i have been toying with rl 15 in the new bolt gun which seems to pressure out early in bolt gun. i wonder which powder is giving me the best speed or is it the sierra bullet that is giving me the destruction on these 150lb whitetails. your thoughts..?

 

[DrMike]

QL projects that with a 225 grain Sierra bullet and 60 grains of H335, you're generating 67406 psi, which is well above SAAMI specs for the cartridge. However, your chamber may be slightly larger, allowing for more expansion and hence, less pressure. Assuming everything is to specs, you are generating 2759 fps at the muzzle and 3802 ft-lbs of energy. Fifty-six point five grains of H335 is a safe load, generating about 140 fps less velocity, but only 400 ft-lbs less energy. That is more than enough for whitetails.

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 225, Sierra SPBT 2850
Useable Case Capaci: 63.217 grain H2O = 4.105 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H335

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 71 45.20 2144 2298 30406 6540 95.4 1.429
-18.0 73 46.33 2193 2403 32362 6714 96.2 1.394
-16.0 75 47.46 2242 2510 34434 6880 97.0 1.360
-14.0 76 48.59 2290 2619 36613 7038 97.6 1.326
-12.0 78 49.72 2338 2730 38907 7187 98.2 1.289
-10.0 80 50.85 2385 2843 41337 7327 98.7 1.254
-08.0 82 51.98 2433 2957 43916 7457 99.1 1.220
-06.0 84 53.11 2480 3072 46650 7577 99.5 1.187
-04.0 85 54.24 2527 3189 49552 7685 99.7 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 87 55.37 2573 3307 52632 7783 99.9 1.125 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 89 56.50 2619 3427 55903 7869 100.0 1.096 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 91 57.63 2664 3547 59380 7944 100.0 1.067 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 92 58.76 2710 3668 63076 8016 100.0 1.040 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 94 59.89 2754 3790 67009 8085 100.0 1.014 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 96 61.02 2799 3914 71199 8153 100.0 0.988 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 98 62.15 2843 4038 75665 8218 100.0 0.964 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 89 56.50 2708 3663 66181 7567 100.0 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 89 56.50 2487 3090 45804 7972 97.3 1.189

The Sierra is a fine bullet and will perform very well for you, I should imagine. ReLoder 15 will give you fine performance in the Whelen. Here is a projection for that powder with the same bullet.

Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 225, Sierra SPBT 2850
Useable Case Capaci: 63.217 grain H2O = 4.105 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-15

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-20.0 82 47.60 2145 2299 30116 6826 89.0 1.437
-18.0 84 48.79 2198 2413 32113 7042 90.2 1.400
-16.0 86 49.98 2250 2529 34222 7253 91.3 1.365
-14.0 88 51.17 2303 2649 36466 7457 92.4 1.330
-12.0 90 52.36 2355 2771 38858 7655 93.4 1.292
-10.0 92 53.55 2408 2896 41407 7845 94.3 1.254
-08.0 94 54.74 2460 3024 44125 8027 95.2 1.218
-06.0 96 55.93 2513 3154 47025 8199 96.0 1.183
-04.0 98 57.12 2565 3287 50121 8363 96.7 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 100 58.31 2617 3423 53427 8516 97.4 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 102 59.50 2670 3560 56960 8658 98.0 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
+02.0 104 60.69 2722 3701 60740 8788 98.5 1.055 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 106 61.88 2773 3843 64787 8906 98.9 1.026 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 108 63.07 2825 3988 69125 9012 99.3 0.998 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 110 64.26 2877 4134 73781 9104 99.6 0.970 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 112 65.45 2928 4283 78784 9182 99.8 0.944 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 102 59.50 2791 3891 68120 8479 100.0 1.008 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 102 59.50 2506 3138 46229 8410 92.0 1.187

Pressure generates velocity, up to a point where velocity plateaus. If you wish to test for more velocity, step up your charge incrementally, watching for pressure signs.

Did you ever have signs of excessive pressure when you shot the load you mentioned? Did either of your 7600s ever fail to extract? How was case life? There are a number of variables here that could allow for higher charge. Candidly, you are not gaining that much more velocity and there is ample energy to drop any deer in North America in your loads.

 

[FOTIS]

One sentence.


225 AccuBond and RL15

 

[fordwrench]

the h335 load has been problem free for a very long time in the 7600. very accurate and killed like lightning. i have seen a few cup seperartions but in over 10 kills since i fist made this box of bullets not one deer has went father the 20 ft. when i got the new to me 700 classic this year i started with rl 15 and the 225 sierras. pressure came at 57 gr i did another pressure test with aa 2520 and with similar results pressure earlier that max book loads. i then changed bullets and tried 225 npt with rl 15 and fed 210. got .75 in accuracy at 58 grs and primers were starting to just go flat at 59grs. i stopped for now as i did not have any more h335 to run a pressure work up with the partitions. it has been buging me however to have to take a step back with the newer 700. i know that no deer that walks can tell the difference but it drives me nuts to go backwards i guess. i realize that chamber and barrel dimensions are probably different but usually i can work to a book max load easy. also from what ive noticed the headspace is correct. is the AccuBond 225 much different in accuracy and or killing effect than the 225 Partition? i am very tempted to try a box but do not want to beat the dead horse if you will...?

 

[FOTIS]

TAC also works well


Cartridge : .35 Whelen
Bullet : .358, 225, Nosler AccuBond 50712
Useable Case Capaci: 57.705 grain H2O = 3.747 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 63000 psi, or 434 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

87 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hodgdon BL-C2 102.7 59.6 3.86 2709 99.4 63000 8137 1.043 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 100.1 57.3 3.71 2709 99.8 63000 7874 1.037 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 104.5 55.6 3.60 2689 99.0 63000 7990 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 104.8 55.7 3.61 2682 98.6 63000 7989 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 105.0 57.6 3.73 2676 99.9 61973 7649 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 105.0 57.6 3.73 2676 99.9 61973 7649 1.061 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 101.6 56.4 3.66 2673 99.4 63000 7774 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 98.9 56.3 3.65 2672 99.4 63000 7759 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 99.7 57.1 3.70 2672 99.5 63000 7804 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp 103.7 53.4 3.46 2669 100.0 63000 6876 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation 103.2 53.4 3.46 2668 100.0 63000 6876 1.044 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 105.0 57.7 3.74 2666 98.4 62277 7902 1.050 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H335 95.1 55.2 3.58 2664 100.0 63000 7458 1.047 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 105.0 59.5 3.86 2661 96.6 62432 8002 1.048 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 10 94.7 53.9 3.49 2660 100.0 63000 7421 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 100.5 53.8 3.48 2660 99.4 63000 7655 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 508 (PCL223) 94.7 53.9 3.49 2659 100.0 63000 7411 1.051 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 103.4 59.2 3.84 2658 98.4 63000 7695 1.045 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2219 94.8 52.1 3.37 2655 100.0 63000 7199 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322 100.8 52.1 3.37 2655 100.0 63000 7199 1.046 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201 101.4 55.1 3.57 2653 99.4 63000 7653 1.062 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202 105.0 54.9 3.56 2652 100.0 62034 7431 1.059 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 102.8 54.7 3.54 2652 99.4 63000 7574 1.049 ! Near Maximum !
Nitrochemie A/S 0300 92.1 50.3 3.26 2651 100.0 63000 6941 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot X-Terminator 92.9 52.9 3.43 2648 100.0 63000 7231 1.053 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 105.0 55.9 3.62 2648 98.0 57804 8126 1.083 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 103.1 58.8 3.81 2647 96.6 63000 7808 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2460 98.5 56.2 3.64 2645 99.8 63000 7431 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.5 98.5 56.2 3.64 2645 99.8 63000 7431 1.065 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 103.9 52.5 3.40 2637 100.0 63000 7302 1.073 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2230 96.6 55.1 3.57 2631 99.7 63000 7298 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.4 96.6 55.1 3.57 2631 99.7 63000 7298 1.063 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12 100.4 54.5 3.53 2625 100.0 63000 7022 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031 105.0 52.2 3.38 2622 100.0 55601 7354 1.094 ! Near Maximum !
SF033 fl, russ. 5,45x39 95.1 51.7 3.35 2620 100.0 63000 6593 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation 103.7 54.7 3.55 2619 98.8 63000 7377 1.052 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2210 95.4 52.4 3.39 2618 99.7 63000 7244 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 105.0 55.9 3.62 2615 97.2 56498 7981 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 105.0 55.9 3.62 2615 97.2 56498 7981 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 105.0 55.9 3.62 2615 97.2 56498 7981 1.095 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-10x 98.2 49.3 3.19 2615 100.0 63000 6749 1.064 ! Near Maximum !
ADI BM2 93.3 52.9 3.43 2610 99.7 63000 7182 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark 101.4 53.1 3.44 2610 99.6 63000 7196 1.057 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060 104.2 53.9 3.49 2606 98.5 63000 7319 1.055 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015 99.9 51.4 3.33 2605 100.0 63000 6684 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2200 92.6 50.0 3.24 2604 99.9 63000 7013 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B 105.0 55.9 3.62 2604 97.6 55412 7942 1.104 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540 105.0 56.5 3.66 2602 99.9 57698 7498 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206 103.4 54.4 3.53 2598 98.8 63000 7224 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 105.0 52.8 3.42 2596 100.0 55530 7261 1.134 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335 105.0 54.6 3.54 2594 100.0 63000 6834 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140 105.0 54.8 3.55 2578 100.0 57956 7067 1.089 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902 105.0 53.9 3.49 2576 98.9 57628 7422 1.105 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP1 NT ~approximation 93.4 48.2 3.12 2573 100.0 63000 6596 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4198 97.4 46.5 3.01 2568 100.0 63000 6245 1.054 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N130 100.9 50.2 3.25 2564 100.0 63000 6367 1.067 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 105.0 57.1 3.70 2563 95.1 54210 7846 1.120
Ramshot BigGame 105.0 57.7 3.74 2562 96.5 51133 7963 1.128
Hodgdon H4198 94.0 46.9 3.04 2561 100.0 63000 6448 1.056 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 105.0 54.3 3.52 2561 98.6 54834 7506 1.121 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder- 7 92.0 47.4 3.07 2559 100.0 63000 6309 1.072 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2207 92.7 46.1 2.99 2557 100.0 63000 6200 1.071 ! Near Maximum !
Kazan Sunar 308W 96.1 50.0 3.24 2557 100.0 63000 6345 1.069 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 105.0 57.7 3.74 2557 96.4 50895 7942 1.131
Norma 203 old 105.0 56.5 3.66 2555 97.8 51406 7827 1.145
IMR 4320 105.0 54.9 3.56 2554 96.9 53791 7574 1.107
Vihtavuori N133 105.0 51.1 3.31 2538 100.0 59420 6402 1.085 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 105.0 54.2 3.51 2532 96.4 53979 7492 1.116
Alliant Reloder-17 105.0 58.6 3.80 2531 95.6 46759 8326 1.163
Hodgdon VARGET 105.0 54.0 3.50 2524 96.3 53404 7469 1.121
Vihtavuori N120 95.2 46.3 3.00 2509 100.0 63000 5770 1.077 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 105.0 59.1 3.83 2504 90.0 48232 7956 1.159
Winchester 760 105.0 59.1 3.83 2504 90.0 48232 7956 1.159
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 105.0 56.3 3.65 2503 91.9 53536 7406 1.115
IMR 4064 105.0 52.8 3.42 2499 96.3 51996 7305 1.139
Somchem S355 105.0 54.6 3.54 2493 96.8 48905 7563 1.173
Rottweil R903 105.0 55.2 3.58 2487 96.7 47572 7592 1.186
IMR 4007 SSC 105.0 56.6 3.67 2486 90.7 52826 7435 1.141
Vihtavuori N550 105.0 57.1 3.70 2451 92.6 43898 7849 1.210
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 105.0 55.5 3.60 2444 92.4 49390 7197 1.159
Accurate 4064 105.0 52.2 3.38 2434 99.1 43838 7320 1.253
Vihtavuori N135 105.0 50.6 3.28 2433 100.0 46217 6708 1.202
Accurate 2700 105.0 57.7 3.74 2417 89.8 51599 6891 1.161
Rottweil R907 105.0 54.8 3.55 2402 89.0 47436 7171 1.197
Lovex S065 105.0 54.6 3.54 2380 91.2 44678 7166 1.229
Norma URP 105.0 55.2 3.58 2368 91.0 39913 7502 1.260
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 105.0 55.2 3.58 2367 90.9 39875 7497 1.261
Ramshot Hunter 105.0 57.7 3.74 2352 87.6 40048 7494 1.260
Norma 204 105.0 57.7 3.74 2347 83.9 42635 7212 1.232
Lovex S070 105.0 55.2 3.58 2347 88.4 42033 7178 1.258
Vihtavuori N150 105.0 52.7 3.41 2344 96.4 41309 6890 1.257
IMR 4350 105.0 55.6 3.60 2327 86.7 42066 6948 1.244
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 105.0 56.7 3.67 2318 86.3 40064 7113 1.268
Somchem S365 105.0 55.6 3.60 2309 93.2 35387 7548 1.320
Hodgdon H4350 105.0 54.6 3.54 2280 85.4 39673 6779 1.278
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 105.0 54.0 3.50 2279 92.0 36819 6955 1.308
Raufoss RA4 105.0 55.9 3.62 2261 81.8 38302 6886 1.294
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 105.0 55.9 3.62 2261 81.8 38302 6886 1.294
Accurate 4350 105.0 53.4 3.46 2231 87.8 32573 7136 1.380
ADI AR 2209 105.0 55.6 3.60 2230 80.2 36967 6823 1.314
Rottweil R904 105.0 55.1 3.57 2225 80.2 37950 6556 1.306
IMR 4831 105.0 53.5 3.47 2222 88.2 33341 6940 1.365
Alliant Reloder-19 105.0 55.9 3.62 2221 80.4 35613 6866 1.333
Somchem S361 105.0 59.5 3.86 2215 79.2 38572 6442 1.305
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 105.0 55.9 3.62 2196 79.8 34833 6734 1.347
Winchester Supreme 780 105.0 58.9 3.82 2194 79.9 36518 6573 1.326
Somchem S385 105.0 56.5 3.66 2175 81.5 32909 6689 1.378
Norma MRP 105.0 58.3 3.78 2166 78.0 31635 7147 1.397
Hodgdon H4831 SC 105.0 56.5 3.66 2145 75.3 34610 6337 1.357
IMR 7828 SSC 105.0 57.4 3.72 2136 73.0 33388 6574 1.377
ADI AR 2213 105.0 56.5 3.66 2124 73.1 33117 6451 1.383
Vihtavuori N560 105.0 57.1 3.70 2117 72.1 31044 6673 1.414
Alliant Reloder-22 105.0 56.5 3.66 2114 75.6 30399 6692 1.426
Raufoss RA15 105.0 56.5 3.66 2114 75.6 30399 6692 1.426
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.0 56.5 3.66 2114 75.6 30399 6692 1.426
Accurate MAGPRO 105.0 59.4 3.85 2063 68.2 29600 6421 1.446
Rottweil R905 105.0 55.4 3.59 2056 72.0 29615 6188 1.448
Winchester WXR 105.0 55.2 3.58 2047 73.4 28060 6379 1.477
Hodgdon H4831 105.0 54.3 3.52 2047 72.5 30515 5933 1.429
Vihtavuori N160 105.0 53.5 3.47 2047 75.3 30806 5796 1.427
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 105.0 56.9 3.69 2025 68.2 30312 5828 1.438
Vihtavuori N165 105.0 55.2 3.58 2025 76.3 28916 5908 1.458
IMR 7828 105.0 54.3 3.52 1997 68.6 27990 5920 1.486
Alliant Reloder-25 105.0 55.6 3.60 1966 72.7 25682 6111 1.538
Ramshot Magnum 105.0 59.8 3.88 1957 65.5 27775 5886 1.498
ADI AP 2214 105.0 58.0 3.76 1955 65.7 28560 5572 1.486
SNPE Vectan SP 12 105.0 59.6 3.86 1952 65.5 27547 5863 1.503
PB Clermont PCL 517 105.0 59.6 3.86 1947 65.1 27417 5831 1.506
Lovex S071 105.0 52.8 3.42 1908 75.6 22681 5772 1.614
Accurate 3100 105.0 52.8 3.42 1908 75.6 22681 5772 1.614
Norma MRP 2 105.0 55.9 3.62 1857 63.4 22527 5576 1.624
Vihtavuori N32C Tin Star 103.0 27.3 1.77 1846 100.0 63000 2699 1.251 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 105.0 55.2 3.58 1838 61.4 24299 4969 1.593
Vihtavuori N570 105.0 58.9 3.82 1787 51.8 22107 5025 1.649
Alliant Reloder 33 105.0 61.4 3.98 1761 51.3 21888 4897 1.663
Lovex D100 105.0 60.1 3.89 1755 52.9 23471 4479 1.632
Hodgdon Retumbo 105.0 56.2 3.64 1755 57.8 20910 4791 1.693
Vihtavuori N170 105.0 55.2 3.58 1746 57.1 20844 4708 1.695
Vihtavuori 24N41 105.0 59.5 3.86 1721 47.8 22390 4259 1.665
ADI AR 2218 105.0 59.5 3.86 1666 43.4 20930 4033 1.714
Hodgdon H870 105.0 57.7 3.74 1629 47.6 18090 4198 1.802
Hodgdon 50BMG 105.0 56.7 3.67 1596 41.8 18429 3796 1.801
Hodgdon US 869 105.0 59.5 3.86 1578 43.0 18099 3723 1.822
Bofors 12,7mmRA NC1214 Lot20115087 105.0 59.1 3.83 1554 42.2 15834 4084 1.893
SNPE Vectan SP 13 105.0 57.1 3.70 1536 45.2 16319 3677 1.893
Alliant Reloder-50 105.0 60.4 3.91 1522 40.9 15724 3835 1.912
IMR TrailBoss 105.0 18.8 1.22 1514 100.0 34839 1955 1.597
ADI AS 25 BP 105.0 18.8 1.22 1514 100.0 34839 1955 1.597
PB Clermont PCL 513/520/9520 105.0 57.1 3.70 1493 42.3 15596 3428 1.935
Accurate 8700 105.0 57.2 3.71 1460 40.0 15551 3157 1.951
Vihtavuori 20N29 105.0 60.1 3.89 1452 38.2 15294 3230 1.962
NC A3502 ,test only 105.0 54.6 3.54 1440 31.1 16396 2619 1.927
TLP A 502(RH) ,test only 105.0 54.6 3.54 1411 32.3 15096 2675 1.986
V1734 7-multiperf ,test only 105.0 54.6 3.54 1043 15.6 9450 1282 2.564

 

[JD338]

I have had good success in my M700 Classic 35 Whelen with IMR 4064 and AA2015BR in the past. These days, its RL 15.

JD338

 

[fordwrench]

Thanks for all the great info. Looks like i have some options available and will just have to get a new chrono and a pound of powder or two. Those accubonds will be on the list as well. When i get some good test data i will be sure to repost. Thanks again, Pat

 

[DrMike]

The AccuBonds are an excellent bullet. They will not, however, kill any more effectively than do the Partitions. Partitions have been around and favoured by knowledgeable hunters for several decades for a reason--they work.

 

[BK]

Just curious, Mike. Does QL predict a different max load for different bullets of the same weight? Say, 225 grain Sierra, AB, Partition, TSX?

 

[SJB358]

Kurt, yeah, it sure does. Different bullets will show much different pressures within the same bullet weights.

I have used alot of RL15 in the 35 Whelen and it has done excellent for me. I do think Varget has alot of merit as well. Just depends on what you use the most of. I started with RL15 and it has worked really well for me, so I haven't found the need to switch it up.

 

[DrMike]

Kurt,

Scotty nailed it. QL generates data on the basis of samples presented to Harmut Broemel for measurement and tests. Data is dependent upon a variety of parameters, including, but not limited to, jacket composition, bearing surface and obturation qualities.

 

[PJGunner]

I use 60.4 gr. of RL15 with the 225 gr. Barnes TSX bullet for 2710 FPS. No apparent signs of pressure in my custom Mauser. Accuracy is superb.
I tried 53.0 gr. H335 with the 250 gr. Speer Hot Core and Hornady spire point and round nose bullets in the Mauser and my Remington M700 Classic and Ruger M77RS. Velocity ranged from 2500 to 2550 depending on the rifle and bullets. Accuracy was good. Pressures appeared to be normal.
I'll be doing load work ups with the 225 gr. Partition and a box of 225 gr. ballistic Tips I came across at a yard sale. I think I'll stick with RL15. I may see what it does with the various 250 gr. bullets as well.
Paul B.

 

[fordwrench]

Fotis, you were right.. the accubonds were the trick! Showed accuracy nodes at 58 and 60 grs. No pressure issues. Grouped right at a measured 5/8 in at 100 yds. Happy camper here! Thanks again guys!

 

[Elkman]

mike
what is"obturation" ?

 

[Elkman]

fordwrench

In 1958 my first experience with Sierra's, on big game (elk) did not go well. With several well placed bullets at medium range he was still able to navigate several miles. I have not be able to recreate the same experience with Nosler Partitions, since 1961. Perhaps a 225 at modest velocities would work better for you. For elk speed them up for pass thru penetration.

 

[DrMike]

Bill, Obturation refers to plugging an opening. In this case, it refers to the quality of a bullet to seal the barrel, permitting the gasses to push the bullet the length of the barrel.

 

[fordwrench]

Elkman, after using them on lots of whitetails i would agree with you. I speculate i had them going 2700 fps. They killed well but seemed to grenade. My concern was the patition being too tough a bullet for these thin boned whitetails. I try to avoid a runaway deer as there are many people in the woods. I try my best to ancor them to the ground asap to keep this from happening. I had never shot anything with the patition thus my questioning. I i was hunting elk i wouldnt hesitate.

 

[SJB358]

Elkman, after using them on lots of whitetails i would agree with you. I speculate i had them going 2700 fps. They killed well but seemed to grenade. My concern was the patition being too tough a bullet for these thin boned whitetails. I try to avoid a runaway deer as there are many people in the woods. I try my best to ancor them to the ground asap to keep this from happening. I had never shot anything with the patition thus my questioning. I i was hunting elk i wouldnt hesitate.

The 225 PT will open very fast at 358 Winchester speeds of around 2450. It blows through deer from any angle and will shed enough weight and hammer deer. In the 35 cal's, I love the 225 PT's. More bullet than needed for deer, but it will thump them. It is impressive.

 

[Elkman]

Obturation refers to plugging an opening.

I will not go there. I will not go there. I will fight the urge! Oh!!!!!!!!!! I can't resist. Do you have to use a bullet?

 

[DrMike]

Do you have to use a bullet?

Nope.