Load Development Coming Together

NYDAN

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My load development is finally all coming together for the .270 Win. Since I have had the rifle I have had inconsistent results - shooting a great group one day and then not so great the next day. Or, having a good group but also a flyer. Or, having consistent velocities one day and not consistent velocities the next.

Once, I had the chamber cast and realized how tight and short the throat was I made some adjustments and shot these groups on Friday. Two totally different loads using different bullets and different powders.

Friday.JPG

The adjustments included:

1. Utilizing a Hornady OAL guage to determine the where the bullet contacts the leade transition to the rifling.
2. Utilizing a Hornady Bullet Comparator to measure the ogive reading and set desired bullet jump.
3. Utilizing a Hornady Concentricity tool to correct loaded cartridge bullet concentricity.

Tools.JPG

I know this sounds like a Hornady advertisement but it is not intended to be. Any tools that perform the same functions would suffice.

I have found that the bullet comparators vary in size quite a bit. For example:

RCBS Precision Mic = .272"
Hornady # 27 Bushing = .267"
PTG Hex bullet comparator = .267"

I ended up using the Hornady #28 bushing (intended for the 7mm) since that has a diameter of .274" which seems to work well with my leade/throat dimensions.

I tested seven different .270 bullet types and due to the differences in point taper, every one had a different average ogive reading for contacting the barrel. Some bullets were extremely consistent (within .003" and others were less so (within .014".

For anyone just getting started in reloading, I don't think you could go wrong with the modest investment in the OAL gauge and any of the bullet comparators. The Hornady bullet comparator works very well the Hornady OAL gauge. For me, it is so much easier, faster, and more accurate than using the soot blackened method.

I found that I tend to get more consistent velocity measurements when the bullets are more concentric. Also, it seems that I get more consistent velocity reading with the 150 gr. BT than with the 150 gr. CTBST.

My main focus for deer hunting this fall will be with the 150 gr. BT. I just want to try a few different bullet seating depths to finalize the load.

The same is true with 140 AB and the Hornady 140 BTSP. Then I want to go back to the 150 gr. ABLR and try using what I know now.

When I run out of things to do I wil work with the 150 gr. PT and then the 140 gr. BT.
 
Taking care at this stage of load development will pay big dividends when hunting. I'd say you're doing all the right things. Looking good. Consequently, I use a lot of Hornady equipment. I don't know that Hornady and Nosler see themselves as competitors so much as they see themselves as complementing one another. That seems to be pretty well true throughout the shooting fraternity.
 
NYDAN":2izeed3i said:
My load development is finally all coming together for the .270 Win. Since I have had the rifle I have had inconsistent results - shooting a great group one day and then not so great the next day. Or, having a good group but also a flyer. Or, having consistent velocities one day and not consistent velocities the next.

Once, I had the chamber cast and realized how tight and short the throat was I made some adjustments and shot these groups on Friday. Two totally different loads using different bullets and different powders.

View attachment 1

The adjustments included:

1. Utilizing a Hornady OAL guage to determine the where the bullet contacts the leade transition to the rifling.
2. Utilizing a Hornady Bullet Comparator to measure the ogive reading and set desired bullet jump.
3. Utilizing a Hornady Concentricity tool to correct loaded cartridge bullet concentricity.



I know this sounds like a Hornady advertisement but it is not intended to be. Any tools that perform the same functions would suffice.

I have found that the bullet comparators vary in size quite a bit. For example:

RCBS Precision Mic = .272"
Hornady # 27 Bushing = .267"
PTG Hex bullet comparator = .267"

I ended up using the Hornady #28 bushing (intended for the 7mm) since that has a diameter of .274" which seems to work well with my leade/throat dimensions.

I tested seven different .270 bullet types and due to the differences in point taper, every one had a different average ogive reading for contacting the barrel. Some bullets were extremely consistent (within .003" and others were less so (within .014".

For anyone just getting started in reloading, I don't think you could go wrong with the modest investment in the OAL gauge and any of the bullet comparators. The Hornady bullet comparator works very well the Hornady OAL gauge. For me, it is so much easier, faster, and more accurate than using the soot blackened method.

I found that I tend to get more consistent velocity measurements when the bullets are more concentric. Also, it seems that I get more consistent velocity reading with the 150 gr. BT than with the 150 gr. CTBST.

My main focus for deer hunting this fall will be with the 150 gr. BT. I just want to try a few different bullet seating depths to finalize the load.

The same is true with 140 AB and the Hornady 140 BTSP. Then I want to go back to the 150 gr. ABLR and try using what I know now.

When I run out of things to do I wil work with the 150 gr. PT and then the 140 gr. BT.
How do you fix a concentricity problem ?

On your first go , what kind of groups with all the variations and at what yardage ?

How far off the lands and how far off after chamber casting ?

I'm learning, just curious.
Thanks......
 
RAY":z4v1lp9x said:
NYDAN":z4v1lp9x said:
My load development is finally all coming together for the .270 Win. Since I have had the rifle I have had inconsistent results - shooting a great group one day and then not so great the next day. Or, having a good group but also a flyer. Or, having consistent velocities one day and not consistent velocities the next.

Once, I had the chamber cast and realized how tight and short the throat was I made some adjustments and shot these groups on Friday. Two totally different loads using different bullets and different powders.

View attachment 1

The adjustments included:

1. Utilizing a Hornady OAL guage to determine the where the bullet contacts the leade transition to the rifling.
2. Utilizing a Hornady Bullet Comparator to measure the ogive reading and set desired bullet jump.
3. Utilizing a Hornady Concentricity tool to correct loaded cartridge bullet concentricity.



I know this sounds like a Hornady advertisement but it is not intended to be. Any tools that perform the same functions would suffice.

I have found that the bullet comparators vary in size quite a bit. For example:

RCBS Precision Mic = .272"
Hornady # 27 Bushing = .267"
PTG Hex bullet comparator = .267"

I ended up using the Hornady #28 bushing (intended for the 7mm) since that has a diameter of .274" which seems to work well with my leade/throat dimensions.

I tested seven different .270 bullet types and due to the differences in point taper, every one had a different average ogive reading for contacting the barrel. Some bullets were extremely consistent (within .003" and others were less so (within .014".

For anyone just getting started in reloading, I don't think you could go wrong with the modest investment in the OAL gauge and any of the bullet comparators. The Hornady bullet comparator works very well the Hornady OAL gauge. For me, it is so much easier, faster, and more accurate than using the soot blackened method.

I found that I tend to get more consistent velocity measurements when the bullets are more concentric. Also, it seems that I get more consistent velocity reading with the 150 gr. BT than with the 150 gr. CTBST.

My main focus for deer hunting this fall will be with the 150 gr. BT. I just want to try a few different bullet seating depths to finalize the load.

The same is true with 140 AB and the Hornady 140 BTSP. Then I want to go back to the 150 gr. ABLR and try using what I know now.

When I run out of things to do I wil work with the 150 gr. PT and then the 140 gr. BT.
How do you fix a concentricity problem ?

On your first go , what kind of groups with all the variations and at what yardage ?

How far off the lands and how far off after chamber casting ?

I'm learning, just curious.
Thanks......

Ray, I wrote a big long explanation but when I tried to post it, I was kicked back to the signin screen. I must have timed out. Sorry, Dan
 
Since the last time I shot, I have played more with the concentricity of my reloads and adjusted the torque of the action screws.

I got to shoot again yesterday. It was cold and windy. But I shot anyway. First up were a couple of reloads with the Hornady 140 gr. BTSP. It looks like a bullet jump of .020" will give me a good group. The fourth shot might have been in with first three if the wind had not changed direction on me. The wind was blowing from my right to my left for the first three, but a gust from left to right came up just as I was squeezing off round number four. Still the four shot group measured only 0.60".

140_Horn_BTSP.jpg

The group with a .030" bullet jump opened up some. So, I am going to stop at .020" for this bullet for now.

Next I shot two targets with the 150 gr. NBT's. The first target was with a bullet jump of .030" and the second target was with a bullet jump of .040". The four shot group with the .030" jump measure about 0.65". However, the neck of the fourth cartridge had a total non-concentricity measurement of .004". I will repeat this again with another group with all concentric necks.

The second target was with a bullet jump of .040". I think I will try a bullet jump of .050" to see if the fourth bullet comes in with the other three. In not, I will stay with a bullet jump of .030".

150_NBT.jpg

Now I see why rifle manufactures will give an accuracy guarantee based on three shot groups. Look what two of my groups would have been if I had stopped at three shots.... :)
 
Man I have a hunch looking at .030 bullet jump you are already there as far as seating depth goes. I would play with the charge in small increments of no more than .2 grains increase. Its a guess on my part. I,m just saying what I,m thinking. The 150 BT,s are already looking pretty darn good I think. Your really close to perfection in that rifle with the 150,s
 
Nice shooting Dan. Looks like you have found the sweet spot for the .270.... Had not seen this last post when I sent you my last e-mail..
 
Wow, those 150 BTs look great. I'd call it a day there.. 2900 and sub MOA accuracy.
 
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