Looking for reloading data for 22-250 and Reloder 16
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300WSM
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That combo is in no man's land.
In my humble .02 cents of good ol' cash
The bearing surface of the 60gr Partition in the 22-250 really needs a faster burning powder than R16...
Might I ask..
Why are you set on R16 for that? There are many other powders much, much, much,MUCH better suited for the 22-250 than R16. No matter the bullet
RL16 looks like a good choice of powder to me . it's a touch high on case fill , but I used higher case fills than this . use a drop tube funnel and you shouldn't have any problems .
Code:
Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 60, Nosler Partition 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 39.985 grain H2O = 2.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch = 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 65000 psi, or 448 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 105.3 40.7 2.64 3868 100.0 65000 10370 0.971 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 104.5 40.4 2.62 3845 100.0 65000 10329 0.975 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Elcho 17 104.5 40.4 2.62 3845 100.0 65000 10329 0.975 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 107.8 42.3 2.74 3830 99.1 65000 10688 0.974 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T 109.8 39.4 2.55 3826 99.7 65000 10320 0.972 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 109.8 39.4 2.55 3826 99.7 65000 10320 0.972 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62 108.2 41.8 2.71 3797 99.3 65000 10311 0.992 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 511 105.8 41.5 2.69 3780 98.3 65000 10360 0.985 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter 109.3 41.6 2.70 3778 98.3 65000 10342 0.985 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 518 110.0 41.9 2.71 3776 98.0 64817 10380 0.986 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760 103.3 40.3 2.61 3775 97.5 65000 10344 0.987 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414 103.3 40.3 2.61 3775 97.5 65000 10344 0.987 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP *C 109.1 39.8 2.58 3773 99.4 65000 10093 0.989 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 109.1 39.8 2.58 3772 99.4 65000 10090 0.989 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550 *C 105.9 39.9 2.58 3770 99.3 65000 10203 0.994 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350 108.3 39.9 2.59 3769 99.4 65000 10074 1.002 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon LVR 106.2 39.2 2.54 3764 99.0 65000 10043 0Good info, Jim!
I used RL17 with the 77g TMK and it worked pretty good, but I had better accuracy with a couple other powders.
300WSM
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And that's the thing...
Almost any powder can propel a bullet from any case....
The results are the tell all.
Good, bad, indifferent...
If things were that simple we'd have a handful of powders that would work in every cartridge made.
300WSM
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To add....
Here is the actual manufacturer of Reloader 16, Alliant...
This is every caliber they have a recipe for...
What cartridge don't we see here?
22-250
I'm not saying this tells the whole story but if that powder(r16) worked well in the 22-250 , no matter the bullet weight, the mfg would have some recipes for it. A couple...at least one...right? Any bullet...?
You'd think so.
Any bullet...
But not one recipe.
Again that doesn't say everything but it does say something.
Good luck brotha but I'd try Accurate 4064...
Meters well...decent velocity
Good accuracy with a 60gr Partition
This is from hodgdon data center
Good luck
Here is the actual manufacturer of Reloader 16, Alliant...
This is every caliber they have a recipe for...
What cartridge don't we see here?
22-250
I'm not saying this tells the whole story but if that powder(r16) worked well in the 22-250 , no matter the bullet weight, the mfg would have some recipes for it. A couple...at least one...right? Any bullet...?
You'd think so.
Any bullet...
But not one recipe.
Again that doesn't say everything but it does say something.
Good luck brotha but I'd try Accurate 4064...
Meters well...decent velocity
Good accuracy with a 60gr Partition
This is from hodgdon data center
Good luck
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- #10
Why Reloder 16? I have 8 lbs bought for another project. Results with H4350 left the Reloder 16 sitting on the shelf. The sierra manual list it with their 60 gr bullets and I was curious if there was any institutional experience with this powder and the 60 gr Partition.
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- #11
Thanks for posting the QL data. So far, no response from Alliant or Nosler customer service. Its been weeks.
300WSM,
Talking to some of the old timers, 4064 was a common theme. Unfortunately, I do not have any. Other possibilities, PP2000MR, CFE223, and N140. I would like to avoid burning through my limited supply of Varget
the only powder I see that appeals to me more than RL16 , would be RL17 . RL17 supposedly gives about 20FPS more velocity ( not enough to worry about ) , but the case fill is at 104.5% . which makes it a little easier to work with . if you use a drop tube funnel with the RL16 I don't see you having any problems .
since you have RL16 , I'd use it . it gives great velocity . 39.4 grains should be the MAX powder charge . I would start at 35.0 grains and work my way up , while watching for signs of pressure . if you have a chronograph , I'd use it too .
this would be where I would start . 35.0 grains at 3393 FPS with a 26" BBL
Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 60, Nosler Partition 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 39.985 grain H2O = 2.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch = 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 78 28.00 2706 976 24051 7097 82.5 1.490
-18.0 80 28.70 2773 1025 25546 7370 84.2 1.455
-16.0 82 29.40 2841 1075 27134 7638 85.8 1.420
-14.0 84 30.10 2909 1127 28821 7901 87.3 1.387
-12.0 86 30.80 2977 1181 30614 8157 88.8 1.353
-10.0 88 31.50 3046 1236 32519 8405 90.1 1.321
-08.0 90 32.20 3116 1293 34545 8644 91.5 1.289
-06.0 92 32.90 3185 1351 36701 8872 92.7 1.258
-04.0 94 33.60 3254 1411 38995 9090 93.8 1.223
-02.0 96 34.30 3324 1472 41438 9294 94.9 1.190
+00.0 98 35.00 3393 1534 44041 9486 95.9 1.157
+02.0 99 35.70 3463 1598 46815 9662 96.8 1.125
+04.0 101 36.40 3532 1662 49776 9824 97.5 1.094
+06.0 103 37.10 3601 1728 52936 9969 98.2 1.064
+08.0 105 37.80 3670 1794 56315 10096 98.8 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
+10.0 107 38.50 3738 1861 59927 10206 99.2 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 35.00 3590 1717 52622 9522 99.7 1.067
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 35.00 3143 1316 36373 8856 87.2 1.266
this would be max load 39.4 grains at 3825 FPS with a 26" BBL
since you have RL16 , I'd use it . it gives great velocity . 39.4 grains should be the MAX powder charge . I would start at 35.0 grains and work my way up , while watching for signs of pressure . if you have a chronograph , I'd use it too .
this would be where I would start . 35.0 grains at 3393 FPS with a 26" BBL
Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 60, Nosler Partition 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 39.985 grain H2O = 2.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch = 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 78 28.00 2706 976 24051 7097 82.5 1.490
-18.0 80 28.70 2773 1025 25546 7370 84.2 1.455
-16.0 82 29.40 2841 1075 27134 7638 85.8 1.420
-14.0 84 30.10 2909 1127 28821 7901 87.3 1.387
-12.0 86 30.80 2977 1181 30614 8157 88.8 1.353
-10.0 88 31.50 3046 1236 32519 8405 90.1 1.321
-08.0 90 32.20 3116 1293 34545 8644 91.5 1.289
-06.0 92 32.90 3185 1351 36701 8872 92.7 1.258
-04.0 94 33.60 3254 1411 38995 9090 93.8 1.223
-02.0 96 34.30 3324 1472 41438 9294 94.9 1.190
+00.0 98 35.00 3393 1534 44041 9486 95.9 1.157
+02.0 99 35.70 3463 1598 46815 9662 96.8 1.125
+04.0 101 36.40 3532 1662 49776 9824 97.5 1.094
+06.0 103 37.10 3601 1728 52936 9969 98.2 1.064
+08.0 105 37.80 3670 1794 56315 10096 98.8 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
+10.0 107 38.50 3738 1861 59927 10206 99.2 1.007 ! Near Maximum !
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 35.00 3590 1717 52622 9522 99.7 1.067
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 35.00 3143 1316 36373 8856 87.2 1.266
this would be max load 39.4 grains at 3825 FPS with a 26" BBL
Code:
Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 60, Nosler Partition 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 39.985 grain H2O = 2.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch = 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 88 31.52 3048 1238 32573 8412 90.2 1.320
-18.0 90 32.31 3126 1302 34867 8679 91.7 1.285
-16.0 92 33.10 3204 1368 37326 8934 93.0 1.249
-14.0 94 33.88 3283 1436 39964 9174 94.3 1.210
-12.0 97 34.67 3361 1505 42795 9398 95.4 1.172
-10.0 99 35.46 3439 1576 45835 9603 96.5 1.136
-08.0 101 36.25 3517 1648 49111 9790 97.4 1.101
-06.0 103 37.03 3595 1721 52633 9956 98.1 1.067
-04.0 105 37.82 3672 1796 56428 10100 98.8 1.035 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 108 38.61 3748 1872 60522 10222 99.3 1.003 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 39.40 3825 1949 64943 10319 99.7 0.973 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 112 40.19 3900 2027 69726 10392 99.9 0.944 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 40.97 3975 2105 74906 10438 100.0 0.915 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 116 41.76 4049 2184 80526 10465 100.0 0.888 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 119 42.55 4122 2264 86638 10488 100.0 0.862 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 43.34 4194 2344 93292 10507 100.0 0.836 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 39.40 3989 2120 78161 9878 100.0 0.902 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 39.40 3586 1713 53178 10236 94.9 1.065- Thread starter
- #13
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The 22-250, even with mid loads, will get you well beyond what the 223 can offer. It won't disappoint
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- #15
Give CFE223 a try when you do your RL16 load, it probably won't be as fast, but it gives excellent accuracy with several bullets in my 22-250.
here is the info with a 22" BBL . this will give you a closer idea of where the velocity should be while working up loads .
MIN
MAX
MIN
Code:
Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 60, Nosler Partition 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 39.985 grain H2O = 2.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch = 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 78 28.00 2570 880 24051 8227 79.4 1.364
-18.0 80 28.70 2634 924 25546 8565 81.1 1.332
-16.0 82 29.40 2699 971 27134 8901 82.8 1.300
-14.0 84 30.10 2766 1019 28821 9233 84.4 1.269
-12.0 86 30.80 2832 1069 30614 9559 86.0 1.239
-10.0 88 31.50 2900 1120 32519 9879 87.5 1.209
-08.0 90 32.20 2968 1173 34545 10190 89.0 1.180
-06.0 92 32.90 3036 1228 36701 10491 90.4 1.151
-04.0 94 33.60 3105 1284 38995 10781 91.7 1.118
-02.0 96 34.30 3174 1342 41438 11059 92.9 1.087
+00.0 98 35.00 3243 1401 44041 11322 94.0 1.056
+02.0 99 35.70 3312 1462 46815 11570 95.1 1.027
+04.0 101 36.40 3381 1523 49776 11802 96.0 0.998
+06.0 103 37.10 3451 1586 52936 12015 96.9 0.970
+08.0 105 37.80 3520 1651 56315 12209 97.7 0.943 ! Near Maximum !
+10.0 107 38.50 3589 1716 59927 12382 98.3 0.916 ! Near Maximum !
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 98 35.00 3445 1581 52622 11580 99.1 0.973
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 98 35.00 2994 1194 36373 10385 84.4 1.158MAX
Code:
Cartridge : .22-250 Rem. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .224, 60, Nosler Partition 16316
Useable Case Capaci: 39.985 grain H2O = 2.596 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.350 inch = 59.69 mm
Barrel Length : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-20.0 88 31.52 2902 1122 32576 9888 87.6 1.208
-18.0 90 32.31 2978 1182 34870 10237 89.2 1.175
-16.0 92 33.10 3055 1244 37326 10574 90.7 1.143
-14.0 94 33.88 3133 1307 39967 10896 92.2 1.106
-12.0 97 34.67 3210 1373 42800 11201 93.5 1.071
-10.0 99 35.46 3288 1441 45839 11487 94.7 1.037
-08.0 101 36.25 3366 1510 49116 11753 95.8 1.004
-06.0 103 37.04 3444 1581 52638 11996 96.8 0.972
-04.0 105 37.82 3522 1653 56434 12215 97.7 0.942 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 108 38.61 3600 1727 60505 12408 98.4 0.912 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 110 39.40 3677 1802 64951 12573 99.0 0.884 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 112 40.19 3754 1878 69734 12710 99.5 0.856 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 114 40.98 3831 1955 74915 12816 99.8 0.830 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+06.0 116 41.76 3907 2034 80537 12889 100.0 0.804 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+08.0 119 42.55 3982 2113 86649 12931 100.0 0.780 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+10.0 121 43.34 4057 2193 93303 12960 100.0 0.755 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 110 39.40 3853 1978 78168 12158 100.0 0.817 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 110 39.40 3432 1569 53184 12224 93.0 0.970300WSM
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I hear ya on having an excess of a powder and trying to use it if possible....
And sometimes you can get a square peg to get into a round hole but the fit isn't optimum.
I say again, Alliant, the mfg of said R16, is in the business of selling powder.
When you pull up R16 on their website they don't even have one load listed in 22-250 with any bullet, let alone partitions using R16.
I certainly won't speak for them as to why they have zero loads in 22-250 with R16...
It could be as simple as "we've never got around to it" but I'm thinking there's probably another reason.
Please post any response they give you.
P.s.
When I have called them in the past they were great at getting me a live person to discuss loads.
And sometimes you can get a square peg to get into a round hole but the fit isn't optimum.
I say again, Alliant, the mfg of said R16, is in the business of selling powder.
When you pull up R16 on their website they don't even have one load listed in 22-250 with any bullet, let alone partitions using R16.
I certainly won't speak for them as to why they have zero loads in 22-250 with R16...
It could be as simple as "we've never got around to it" but I'm thinking there's probably another reason.
Please post any response they give you.
P.s.
When I have called them in the past they were great at getting me a live person to discuss loads.
- Thread starter
- #19
300WSM,
Your logic makes perfect sense, I am not arguing that.
I am trying to save other powders that would probably be a better choices than Rl16 for more critical applications like 6mm BR and heavy target bullet 223.
If it doesn't work, I have lots of other choices. I even have a lb of CFE 223 like AFG270 suggested. PP2000MR another.
Thanks for all the help.
Your logic makes perfect sense, I am not arguing that.
I am trying to save other powders that would probably be a better choices than Rl16 for more critical applications like 6mm BR and heavy target bullet 223.
If it doesn't work, I have lots of other choices. I even have a lb of CFE 223 like AFG270 suggested. PP2000MR another.
Thanks for all the help.
