Mood after yesterday?

[noslerpartition]

Hi all,
Since I am an ocean away I don't comment anything or give an opinion.

But it seems to be heating up on your side.

Treats against the judge, calls for a million armed to march on Washington, ...

Whatever happens in the USA will have major influence on the whole world, so we watch with interest.

I'd like to get an idea from you, not the press.

 

[salmonchaser]

Generally speaking under our system of justice a criminal investigation requires reasonable suspicion a crime has been committed, can the matter be looked into legitimately. Think driving at night with no headlights on.
If Reasonable Suspicion is supported then there must be a finding of probable cause to move forward, Simply stated is it more likely than not a crime was committed and this person committed the crime. Officer stops the vehicle for no lights and determines it’s more likely than not the driver is drunk based on observable evidence and statements. Probable cause to arrest….. still a long way from a conviction.
Case moves forward, attorneys attempt to get evidence suppressed and case dismissed for lack of evidence. If the Judge finds the attorneys story of purple gorillas falling out of the sky caused the bad driving and their flatulence was mistaken for the odor of intoxicants, the case will be dismissed because there is no justification for the stop there fore no additional evidence can be used.
If, however, the judge finds there were no purple gorillas the justification for the stop and probable cause for arrest are valid, case moves forward.
There may be more evidentiary hearings in attempt to limit the scope of the investigation.
The defendant then has the right to select a judge or a jury trial.
You want a jury trial if you’re going to stick with the purple gorilla story.
If your defense is on the technical merits of the law you waive your right to a jury trial, you don’t want a jury deciding on the minutiae of the law. Most DUI trials where I worked, defendants waived jury trial as the defense arguments were on the validity of the breath test device a minutiae of the law. Every jury trial was a conviction because the dash cam showed what they cared about regardless of the breath test machine.
Trumps attorney could not convince a judge there was no Probable Cause. They attempted to do so through several hearings.
Trumps attorneys could not convince a single juror Purple Gorillas paid the hush money and altered the books.
Seems to me the case shows no one is above the law and as a veteran cop I was convinced they would never get a conviction. I was surprised.

 

[Idaho53]

Yeah, I am concerned it's reached powder keg status in the USA. The media is definitely sensationalizing all of it with some obvious bias. Unfortunately, both candidates are far from innocent, with only one currently convicted. IMO-it's hard to believe these are our two options for the next American President. American politics has become a disgrace to our country. Fortunately, there are still several million great Americans....many on this forum!

 

[noslerpartition]

I can only hope for you (and all of us...) that you might one day find a middle ground.

We are really concerned

 

[salmonchaser]

Me too. We seem to have elected a wide array of people who have failed to mature since the 7th grade, think they are tough guys, but with very limited exception they are not. They are largely devoid of honor and integrity and expecting consistent behavior as well as putting the body politic ahead of their own aspirations, is a fools errand. We have largely ended up here because of the attitude I won’t vote for him or I wont support that because I’m a republican. Or democrats, it cuts both ways. We need to get over it and start working to a reasonable compromise. We used to do that. But first we need to stop electing idiots like MTG, Getz, and Cortez. As far as I’m concerned any of the far right and far left are simply worthless legislators.

 

[noslerpartition]

I can honestly just hope you are not heading for that civil war some seem to want.
I have been to the US a few times.
My company has business ther.

And I never met someone I couldn't talk to.

Sure I don't understand all of your background, your culture.

But so far, I met reasonable people.

I hope your country will not be shaped by the hardliners on both sides

 

[3 Meter Para Bellum]

I can honestly just hope you are not heading for that civil war some seem to want.
I have been to the US a few times.
My company has business ther.

And I never met someone I couldn't talk to.

Sure I don't understand all of your background, your culture.

But so far, I met reasonable people.

I hope your country will not be shaped by the hardliners on both sides

I think a huge portion of our population is fairly reasonable people who are just wanting to get along in life, but the general populous has largely lost either the will or the ability to play a positive and needed role in government as a citizen. We are slowly returning to the state of aristicracy where the power belongs to the few. I will also say that moral standards, as well as any sort of standard at all, are rapidly erroding. Our young people are in droves becoming unrecognizable in mental model to those that preceded them. These are just a couple of the reasons we are experiencing turmoil, but the second point is maybe the most concerning to me. With such an unstable and usually delusional stream of youth entering adulthood, I can only imagine our situation becoming more precarious as this generation attempts to assert the "popular" opinion, an opinion that is in reality merely what the few want you to think is popular. Media controls many people's, especially young people's impression of reality, rather than logic and their own observations.

To add to our difficulties, in a large sense any opponent of free America has "physics" on their side. To make a new government they must first destroy the foundation of our current government. It is much easier to destroy than to build. I am rambbling a bit, but I can't say I am very confident in what I am seeing, nor do I see where we take a turn for the better, but for the time being, I just have to get through today and pray I can do the same tomorrow. I am somewhat somber due to difficuties at home right now, so politics I suppose are not particularly good medicine in the current state. Prayer is often my only recourse.

 

[Vince]

I can honestly just hope you are not heading for that civil war some seem to want.
I have been to the US a few times.
My company has business ther.

And I never met someone I couldn't talk to.

Sure I don't understand all of your background, your culture.

But so far, I met reasonable people.

I hope your country will not be shaped by the hardliners on both sides

You will find most of the country is more middle of the road.
With that said we are experiencing some of the most polarizing politics playing out like a sixth grade school play. One side has gone to the extreme left and the other to the right. Now I’m more of a student of Jefferson so I think this is a good thing because the tree of liberty needs watering.
While I don’t care to see my countrymen die I think a civil war is good for the soul of our nation. Hopefully the proper side will win this time. They didn’t last time. I’d like to see a 90% reduction in the federal government. The founders didn’t intend for a centralized government yet that’s what we have now.
A weak federal government means the people have the power. A strong centralized government robs the citizens of their freedom and power. I want the states to be powerful not the federal government. Sadly the states have abdicated their responsibilities and given their power, thus our freedom and liberty, to the federal government.
The left wants a powerful centralized government. As someone who considers themselves a “Constitutionalist” I want local government control as I believe people know what is best for themselves.
I would welcome a split, like what happened in 1860, and have two or four separate countries. I favor doing so by the electoral process but the last time that was done the federal government brought forth a War Of Northern Aggression.
It’s going to get interesting.

Vince