New Bell & Carlson Stock *PICS*

[truck driver]

It's a mount for a flashlight I use hog hunting. I just leave it on all the time.

thought it was one of those barrel tuners. How does it effect barrel harmonics?

 

[M7025-06]

It's a mount for a flashlight I use hog hunting. I just leave it on all the time.

thought it was one of those barrel tuners. How does it effect barrel harmonics?

In my experience, it depends on the gun. On my X-Bolt it did changed the POI a little...not more than an inch. That was about it.

On my buddies Ruger, it doesn't seem to make a bit difference whether it's on or off.

On this gun it seems to be giving me some fits with tuning (or even finding) a consistent load. I ended up taking it off this afternoon and rigged up a scope mounted rail to mount the flashlight on. I'm hoping I can find a good load a little quicker with it off...been having a hell of a time.

 

[Dwh7271]

Sweet looking setup.
If you're still having some issues with it, take the action out and put something on it that will leave a removable mark. Bolt it back to the stock and remove it again. See where the contact points are. Even with the bedding block sometimes there are points that do not make contact quite right.
On the ones I have, I bedded around the recoil lug and skim bedded the bedding block and that improved things quite a bit. They are terrific stocks though.
I'm sure you already have but make sure to check the torque on the screws securing the action also.
If that doesn't fix it, check the tang and see if there's a bind. That can affect things also.
Might help with the accuracy issues?
YMMV :grin:

 

[M7025-06]

Sweet looking setup.
If you're still having some issues with it, take the action out and put something on it that will leave a removable mark. Bolt it back to the stock and remove it again. See where the contact points are. Even with the bedding block sometimes there are points that do not make contact quite right.
On the ones I have, I bedded around the recoil lug and skim bedded the bedding block and that improved things quite a bit. They are terrific stocks though.
I'm sure you already have but make sure to check the torque on the screws securing the action also.
If that doesn't fix it, check the tang and see if there's a bind. That can affect things also.
Might help with the accuracy issues?
YMMV :grin:

I thought about doing a bedding job on it, but I wanted to how it shot before I dove into that. When I installed the stock initially, I had to remove some material around the tang so the action would move back far enough to get some contact with the recoil lug, so I'm sure a bedding job won't hurt a thing...I just haven't taken the time to do it yet.

Action screws are torqued to 50 or 55 in/lbs (I'd have to check my notes on that one). I'll be interested to see what effect taking the flashlight mount off of the barrel will have. Hopefully I can get out this weekend to see.

Part of my problem might be with too high of expectations. This gun has (with the other stock) has put 3 shots into a hair over 0.5'' at 200 yards, but I've never been able to duplicate it. I've gone thru a whole bunch of bullets and powder chasing that group.

These were shot at 200 yards with a load that was shooting 1.5''-1.75'' (3-shot) with the other stock installed. I just threw this load together to have something to shoot. Not terrible but I think it could be better.

I threw the bi-pod on after zeroing the scope to see if it would change the POI...about an 1''-1.5'' shift up. The barrel is free floated to where 5 pieces of paper will clear up to the recoil lug.

 

[Dwh7271]

Sounds like you're on it.

 

[tjen]

I put one on my 700SPS 223 REM and it turned a factory one incher in to a SMOA gun (at 100yards). I did have to slightly sand the thick paint off to inlet the barrel to free float it. Big difference once the paint piller was removed. I have only shot it out to 200 yards but can really see the effects of gusty winds on light bullets (52gr).

Your rifle looks great the black stock agrees with the action/barrel/scope combo.

 

[M7025-06]

Well...after getting out to the range a couple of times, with disappointing results, I finally got around to checking how good of contact the receiver has with the stock.

Not good. Looks like I'll doing some skim bedding tomorrow...

(sorry for the crappy picture)

 

[Osprey78]

Gotta show'er off...

I love those designs...it looks great!

 

[Thebear_78]

Those B&C stocks can work very well. Iced used them on a couple rifles. I think the perceived lessened recoil is due to the generous surface are of the recoil pad on those stocks. A skim bedding can't hurt also make sure your front actionscrew isn't bottoming out. Looks great though.

For a light mount that won't effect barrel harmonics there are a couple options that I have used. A rear weaver style remington 700 scope base matches the contour of the forend fairly well, just drill a couple holes and epoxy in the base to side of the forend.

There are also several adapters that hook to your sling stude on bottom of forend.

My favorite was to make one that rides under the barrel. If you look thru my posts in rifle section there are more pictures on doing that style.
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[M7025-06]

For a light mount that won't effect barrel harmonics there are a couple options that I have used. A rear weaver style remington 700 scope base matches the contour of the forend fairly well, just drill a couple holes and epoxy in the base to side of the forend.

There are also several adapters that hook to your sling stude on bottom of forend.

My favorite was to make one that rides under the barrel. If you look thru my posts in rifle section there are more pictures on doing that style.

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I remember seeing the top picture on here before and seriously thought about going that route. I couldn't bring myself to drill holes in my brand new stock yet. After a year or 2...I might try it. Definitely good ideas.

 

[Thebear_78]

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Bolts on sling swivel, no drilling [emoji6]


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[M7025-06]

Spent yesterday on bedding the new stock. The area around the recoil lug turned out really well and as usual, the rear tang isn't the best but at least the action is sitting on something solid. Not sure why I always have problems with the rear tang...it never turns out as nice as the recoil lug. I'm sure if I think about it long enough, it'll start bugging me and end up redoing the tang area.

Anyway...I'm not sure how it missed this before, but there's about a 0.25'' gap between the bottom of the action and the aluminum block from the rear action screw to the rear of the magazine well. It would take quite a bit of bedding material to fill this area up. Does this area need to be bedded? As of right now the only contact between the rifle and the stock is at the front and rear action screws.

Anybody have any thoughts?

 

[HeathSexton]

The Medalist on my 7wsm is only bedded at the tang and front of the mag well to the lug and it shoots really good. The tang on mine was terrible and took 2 rounds of bedding to get it right. Having the entire action supported would be great but since you are torqued front and rear as long as the center screw isn't tight I would be ok. I may be very wrong in thinking that though.

 

[M7025-06]

Makes sense to me. I hear ya on the rear tang. I did the 3rd round on it last night and I looked at it this morning and it's still not the greatest but it'll work.

 

[Dwh7271]

FWIW, I would want that rear screw on metal.
An easily changed way to try it is some flat washers ground on side or two to fit. Find some small ones the size of the bolt and experiment.
I also took a pillar once, measured the gap by experimenting with washers for thickness, tested it, then epoxied it in place.
Be a little careful with washer thickness as you can unintentionally cant the action with too many.

 

[M7025-06]

I had a ground down flat washer in there before I bedded it, but I thought this was the better way to go. We'll see how it does next time out.

 

[Dwh7271]

Did you get a chance to shoot it?

 

[M7025-06]

Did you get a chance to shoot it?

Not yet. I thought about going today but it's a tad nippy out...hoping to get out Thursday and Sunday.

 

[sask boy]

That is a real good looking rifle! That new stock gives it a very clean look. I hope that it shoots well.

Blessings,
Dan

 

[M7025-06]

Got 'er out this morning. Had 1 load that gave me a 1.4'' 5-shot group at 200 yards.

Same powder charge, COAL, primer, with different make of brass gave me a 3'' 3-shot group at 200 yards. At least I'm headed in the right direction I guess.