First I am not a speed freak, I know a 180 gr bullet out of a 30-06 will kill about anything. However, I always like to try and load to optimum performance. I am not experienced with the 180's in the 30-06. What velocity should I try to shoot for to load the 180 E Tips in my 24 inch tube 30-06? Powders I plan to try are Staball 6.5, H4350, IMR 4451, possibly RL23.
optimum velocity for 180's in the 30-06
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Guy Miner
Master Loader
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With Nosler Partitions, 2800 fps works fine using H4350, from my Remington with a 24" barrel.
The E-Tips throw an unknown into it for me though. They're different and I've done little load development with them.
Perhaps Dr Mike or someone can run a quickload?
Guy
The E-Tips throw an unknown into it for me though. They're different and I've done little load development with them.
Perhaps Dr Mike or someone can run a quickload?
Guy
6mm Remington
Ammo Smith
- Feb 27, 2006
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If it were me and you wanted to use the E-tip, I would step down a notch to the 168 gr. E-tip. You will be able to load it a bit faster which will in turn make it more effective at longer distances. The E-tips don't lose much weight so you can use a lighter bullet and expect a lot better penetration than a bonded or cup & core bullet. At least in my experience.
My son shoots 90 gr. E-tips in his 6mm Remington and he's taken a few antelope, a nice mule deer buck, and a large cow elk at 350 yards. All were one shot kills. The bullet on his elk exited her off side right in the middle of her shoulder. Pretty impressive.
Powder choices look good. I'd include IMR4350 in the mix.
My son shoots 90 gr. E-tips in his 6mm Remington and he's taken a few antelope, a nice mule deer buck, and a large cow elk at 350 yards. All were one shot kills. The bullet on his elk exited her off side right in the middle of her shoulder. Pretty impressive.
Powder choices look good. I'd include IMR4350 in the mix.
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David nailed it.6mm Remington":31pjoq6j said:
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DrMike
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Code:
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler E-Tip 59180
Useable Case Capaci: 56.718 grain H2O = 3.683 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 95 48.60 2452 2403 42783 7810 93.4 1.362
-09.0 96 49.14 2478 2455 44148 7903 93.9 1.343
-08.0 97 49.68 2505 2507 45559 7994 94.3 1.325
-07.0 98 50.22 2531 2560 47017 8084 94.8 1.306
-06.0 99 50.76 2557 2614 48526 8171 95.2 1.288
-05.0 100 51.30 2584 2668 50086 8255 95.6 1.269
-04.0 101 51.84 2610 2723 51699 8338 96.0 1.251 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 102 52.38 2636 2778 53361 8418 96.3 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 103 52.92 2663 2833 55074 8496 96.7 1.217 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 105 53.46 2689 2890 56841 8570 97.0 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 106 54.00 2715 2947 58666 8643 97.3 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 107 54.54 2741 3004 60555 8712 97.6 1.167 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 108 55.08 2768 3062 62511 8779 97.9 1.151 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 109 55.62 2794 3120 64537 8843 98.2 1.135 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 110 56.16 2820 3179 66635 8903 98.4 1.119 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 111 56.70 2846 3238 68809 8961 98.7 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 106 54.00 2836 3215 69221 8549 99.9 1.104 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 106 54.00 2556 2611 48407 8342 91.2 1.285
Code:
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler E-Tip 59180
Useable Case Capaci: 56.718 grain H2O = 3.683 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59250 psi, or 408 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
3 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 *C 110.8 62.3 4.03 2912 99.8 59250 10323 1.148 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C 111.2 60.7 3.93 2871 98.1 59250 10217 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 100.8 55.3 3.58 2861 100.0 59250 9197 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 103.5 57.6 3.74 2844 99.5 59250 9616 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 99.9 54.8 3.55 2842 100.0 59250 9149 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 99.9 54.8 3.55 2842 100.0 59250 9149 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T 104.8 53.4 3.46 2823 99.9 59250 9125 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 104.8 53.4 3.46 2823 99.9 59250 9125 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C 112.0 59.8 3.88 2821 94.2 57863 10107 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 107.4 55.8 3.62 2821 100.0 59250 8725 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T 112.0 57.4 3.72 2817 99.9 58049 9300 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 103.6 56.8 3.68 2812 99.7 59250 9220 1.174 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 110.5 59.4 3.85 2809 94.7 59250 9779 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C 112.0 59.2 3.84 2802 96.3 57010 9841 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C 112.0 59.2 3.84 2802 96.3 57010 9841 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 112.0 59.2 3.84 2802 96.3 57010 9841 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 105.5 57.0 3.69 2801 98.6 59250 9348 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 101.3 56.4 3.66 2800 98.9 59250 9305 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 104.7 56.5 3.66 2799 98.8 59250 9291 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 112.0 62.3 4.03 2795 92.0 56964 10026 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 111.3 58.8 3.81 2793 94.5 59250 9667 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 98.8 54.6 3.54 2790 98.2 59250 9247 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 98.8 54.6 3.54 2790 98.2 59250 9247 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 109.1 57.1 3.70 2787 96.6 59250 9406 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 111.9 63.7 4.13 2785 96.8 59250 9431 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 104.2 53.9 3.49 2785 99.7 59250 8965 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 104.2 53.9 3.49 2784 99.7 59250 8963 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C 101.1 54.0 3.50 2783 99.6 59250 9075 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 103.6 54.2 3.51 2783 99.7 59250 8948 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 109.9 57.4 3.72 2779 96.5 59250 9331 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 108.1 56.2 3.64 2778 96.3 59250 9304 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR 101.4 53.0 3.43 2775 99.4 59250 8909 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 109.4 54.8 3.55 2768 99.8 59250 8774 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 106.7 55.8 3.61 2760 96.2 59250 9120 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 106.7 55.8 3.61 2760 96.2 59250 9120 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 103.3 55.8 3.61 2760 96.2 59250 9120 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 109.5 57.9 3.75 2757 97.5 59250 9046 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 107.1 54.2 3.51 2753 100.0 59250 8256 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 *C *T 112.0 57.3 3.71 2747 100.0 52775 9064 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP36 ZT *C *T 112.0 57.3 3.71 2747 100.0 52775 9064 1.218 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation 104.2 55.3 3.58 2745 97.9 59250 8887 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T 109.8 58.1 3.76 2742 93.9 59250 9083 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 96.3 50.9 3.30 2737 100.0 59250 8313 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 96.3 50.9 3.30 2737 100.0 59250 8313 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 107.3 59.1 3.83 2734 96.2 59250 8878 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 95.7 51.1 3.31 2733 99.5 59250 8596 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 98.5 50.9 3.30 2730 100.0 59250 8241 1.200 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 103.2 53.4 3.46 2730 98.3 59250 8753 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350 103.2 53.4 3.46 2730 98.3 59250 8753 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 112.0 58.1 3.77 2728 93.4 55256 9324 1.201 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 98.4 50.3 3.26 2724 100.0 59250 8247 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 107.2 55.3 3.58 2722 95.0 59250 8806 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 112.0 62.5 4.05 2722 93.4 53619 9700 1.207 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 112.0 58.6 3.79 2722 98.5 56666 8838 1.214 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 112.0 57.9 3.75 2718 94.9 51856 9595 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 112.0 57.9 3.75 2718 94.9 51856 9595 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 112.0 62.5 4.05 2716 93.2 53327 9691 1.210 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T 110.8 56.4 3.65 2711 94.3 59250 8813 1.176 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle 101.8 52.1 3.38 2710 99.0 59250 8467 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 101.8 52.1 3.38 2710 99.0 59250 8467 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 91.3 49.2 3.19 2706 100.0 59250 7774 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 91.3 49.2 3.19 2706 100.0 59250 7774 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 90.3 50.6 3.28 2704 99.4 59250 8280 1.196 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 95.9 49.1 3.18 2702 100.0 59250 7759 1.223 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 100.5 51.6 3.34 2701 97.5 59250 8536 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 100.5 51.6 3.34 2701 97.5 59250 8536 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 97.3 51.6 3.34 2701 97.5 59250 8529 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 105.9 59.0 3.82 2686 93.9 59250 8578 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 *T 112.0 56.9 3.69 2681 92.8 55080 8895 1.205 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 90.2 46.1 2.99 2678 100.0 59250 7442 1.231 ! Near Maximum !DrMike
Ballistician
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Code:
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H4350 *T
Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !
Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms
-10.0 96 50.40 2536 2400 42252 7971 92.4 1.324
-09.0 97 50.96 2564 2453 43643 8069 92.9 1.305
-08.0 98 51.52 2592 2506 45074 8165 93.4 1.286
-07.0 99 52.08 2620 2561 46565 8260 93.9 1.267
-06.0 101 52.64 2648 2615 48106 8351 94.4 1.249
-05.0 102 53.20 2676 2671 49699 8441 94.8 1.230
-04.0 103 53.76 2704 2727 51349 8528 95.2 1.213 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 104 54.32 2732 2783 53057 8613 95.7 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 105 54.88 2760 2841 54828 8695 96.0 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 106 55.44 2787 2898 56656 8774 96.4 1.161 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 107 56.00 2815 2957 58543 8851 96.8 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 108 56.56 2843 3016 60493 8924 97.1 1.128 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 109 57.12 2871 3075 62513 8995 97.4 1.112 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 110 57.68 2899 3135 64607 9063 97.7 1.097 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 111 58.24 2927 3196 66778 9127 98.0 1.081 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 112 58.80 2955 3257 69030 9188 98.3 1.066 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 107 56.00 2946 3238 69353 8805 99.8 1.066 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 107 56.00 2645 2609 48137 8494 90.2 1.246
Code:
Cartridge : .30-06 Spring. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 168, Nosler E-Tip 59415
Useable Case Capaci: 58.069 grain H2O = 3.770 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 59250 psi, or 408 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 112 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26 *C 112.0 64.5 4.18 3008 99.5 58794 10605 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 *T 102.2 57.4 3.72 2969 100.0 59250 9504 1.112 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP *C 112.0 62.6 4.05 2952 97.3 57855 10407 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 *T 101.3 56.9 3.69 2950 100.0 59250 9456 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 101.3 56.9 3.69 2950 100.0 59250 9456 1.118 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 *C 104.8 59.8 3.87 2946 99.2 59250 9882 1.116 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 109.0 58.0 3.76 2932 100.0 59250 9022 1.126 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16 *C *T 106.3 55.4 3.59 2930 99.8 59250 9418 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RL16 TZ *C *T 106.3 55.4 3.59 2930 99.8 59250 9418 1.117 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 105.2 59.0 3.82 2920 99.4 59250 9500 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 102.7 58.6 3.80 2905 98.5 59250 9553 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 111.9 61.5 3.99 2905 93.8 59250 9962 1.119 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518 106.9 59.1 3.83 2905 98.2 59250 9590 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 106.1 58.7 3.80 2904 98.4 59250 9538 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 100.2 56.7 3.68 2896 97.7 59250 9496 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 100.2 56.7 3.68 2896 97.7 59250 9496 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP *C 105.7 56.0 3.63 2892 99.5 59250 9240 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 105.7 56.0 3.63 2892 99.5 59250 9237 1.135 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 105.2 56.3 3.65 2891 99.5 59250 9232 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 *C 102.6 56.1 3.64 2891 99.4 59250 9347 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 *C 110.5 59.2 3.83 2888 95.9 59250 9616 1.127 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon LVR 102.9 55.1 3.57 2882 99.1 59250 9174 1.133 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 111.3 59.6 3.86 2880 95.9 59250 9536 1.128 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N555 *C*T 112.0 58.8 3.81 2878 99.6 54694 9535 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 109.5 58.3 3.78 2877 95.6 59250 9504 1.123 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 *C 112.0 61.3 3.97 2875 92.6 55131 10160 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 111.0 56.9 3.69 2875 99.6 59250 9047 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 112.0 60.6 3.93 2871 93.3 58129 9791 1.130 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 108.6 56.3 3.65 2861 100.0 59250 8537 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 108.1 57.8 3.75 2861 95.6 59250 9323 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 *C 104.6 57.8 3.75 2861 95.6 59250 9323 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 108.1 57.8 3.75 2861 95.6 59250 9323 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 111.0 60.1 3.89 2860 97.0 59250 9266 1.144 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 112.0 60.6 3.93 2857 94.9 54238 9926 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 *C 112.0 60.6 3.93 2857 94.9 54238 9926 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 *C 112.0 60.6 3.93 2857 94.9 54238 9926 1.167 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT *C ~approximation 105.6 57.4 3.72 2848 97.3 59250 9108 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 97.8 52.9 3.43 2847 100.0 59250 8606 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 97.8 52.9 3.43 2847 100.0 59250 8606 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 112.0 63.7 4.13 2845 90.3 54132 10048 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 100.1 53.0 3.43 2840 100.0 59250 8534 1.159 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 97.1 53.1 3.44 2839 99.2 59250 8855 1.151 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 112.0 65.3 4.23 2839 95.5 56605 9528 1.145 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC *T 111.2 60.2 3.90 2839 93.1 59250 9251 1.129 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World SW4350 104.7 55.4 3.59 2834 97.8 59250 8984 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 104.7 55.4 3.59 2834 97.8 59250 8984 1.153 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 99.9 52.3 3.39 2832 100.0 59250 8532 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 108.5 61.3 3.97 2832 95.5 59250 9057 1.132 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 108.6 57.3 3.71 2822 94.3 59250 8993 1.136 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6 92.7 51.2 3.31 2816 100.0 59250 8055 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Match Rifle 92.7 51.2 3.31 2816 100.0 59250 8055 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520 90.6 51.2 3.31 2816 100.0 59250 8055 1.163 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064 97.6 51.1 3.31 2815 100.0 59250 8050 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Shooters World Long Rifle 103.3 54.1 3.50 2814 98.7 59250 8702 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 103.3 54.1 3.50 2814 98.7 59250 8702 1.155 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 91.6 52.6 3.41 2810 99.1 59250 8529 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron *C*T 112.0 58.3 3.78 2804 93.5 58894 8971 1.141 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 101.8 53.5 3.47 2804 97.0 59250 8747 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 101.8 53.5 3.47 2804 97.0 59250 8747 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 98.6 53.5 3.47 2803 97.0 59250 8740 1.152 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495 91.8 48.1 3.12 2792 100.0 59250 7732 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 107.3 61.2 3.96 2784 93.2 59250 8743 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 112.0 59.5 3.86 2781 91.8 52572 9371 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 112.0 60.0 3.88 2777 97.5 53358 8979 1.204 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901 91.6 46.6 3.02 2770 100.0 59250 7711 1.174 ! Near Maximum !- Thread starter
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DrMike
Ballistician
- Nov 8, 2006
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I've enjoyed great success with monolithic bullets for quite a few years. I used the 168 gr TSX in my 300 WSM to take moose, elk, mule deer, whitetail and black bear. All the animals expired pretty much as I had hoped. My "go to" load for my 270 WSM launches a 130 grain E-Tip. That load/rifle combination has accounted for moose, elk, mule deer and black bear. Again, all managed to tip over as expected. I like the monolithic bullets. The E-Tip has worked very well for me in a variety of rifles. A 180 grain E-Tip at 2800-2900 fps from your 30-06 would be a formidable load for about anything you'd care to hunt. I doubt that it would kill any more effectively than would the 168 grain E-Tip sent on its way at 2900-3000 fps.
Guy Miner
Master Loader
- Apr 6, 2006
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- 6,036
I'm glad that the 168 E-Tip was included in the Quick Load, and also referenced by "6mm Rem" because I've got 200 of them on hand. I figured that it would be easy enough to get them to 2,800 fps. They're long, have a high BC, and should penetrate quite well.
Guy
Guy
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mjcmichigan
Handloader
- Dec 26, 2016
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The question needs more detail.
180 E tip, 3006, what range?
We typically shoot deer 50-400 yards.
At 500 yards, it’s probably down to 2000 FPS. You’ll have minimal expansion.
That 180 etip, I’d leave to magnums.
From a 3006, I’d drive it as fast as I can and keep the range under 300. Part of that is we need blood track in heavy cover to recover deer where I hunt.
Going down a step on monos help as you can get the speed up more.
The final thing I’d bring up on monolithic bullets, they are longer and push into your case more and they some times need more twist to stabilize.
I’d guess you’d be ok with a 1:10.
If your 3006 is older, it could be a 1:12 twist. A lighter bullet stabilizes better with slower twist rates.
All comments above are excellent.
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180 E tip, 3006, what range?
We typically shoot deer 50-400 yards.
At 500 yards, it’s probably down to 2000 FPS. You’ll have minimal expansion.
That 180 etip, I’d leave to magnums.
From a 3006, I’d drive it as fast as I can and keep the range under 300. Part of that is we need blood track in heavy cover to recover deer where I hunt.
Going down a step on monos help as you can get the speed up more.
The final thing I’d bring up on monolithic bullets, they are longer and push into your case more and they some times need more twist to stabilize.
I’d guess you’d be ok with a 1:10.
If your 3006 is older, it could be a 1:12 twist. A lighter bullet stabilizes better with slower twist rates.
All comments above are excellent.
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You should be fine with the etip at the ranges your shooting.
I’d recommend the 165 over the 180, but if you have the 180... use it. If it doesn’t stabilize well, give it more jump.
On the opposite end of the monos, are the Long range and extreme distance bullets are designed to expand at low speeds...
The trade off is if it opens fully at 700-1000 yards, the energy the bullet has at 25 could result is the bullet splatting and not penetrating.
There was a really educational bullet test one of the members who guides provided. They took 6 elk. Two with Berger’s, two with ELD-X, and two with AccuBond.
If you have time ... try to find it. I think it was under bullet tests vs hunting. He provided pictures of recovered bullets and explained the observed game behavior after impact.
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I’d recommend the 165 over the 180, but if you have the 180... use it. If it doesn’t stabilize well, give it more jump.
On the opposite end of the monos, are the Long range and extreme distance bullets are designed to expand at low speeds...
The trade off is if it opens fully at 700-1000 yards, the energy the bullet has at 25 could result is the bullet splatting and not penetrating.
There was a really educational bullet test one of the members who guides provided. They took 6 elk. Two with Berger’s, two with ELD-X, and two with AccuBond.
If you have time ... try to find it. I think it was under bullet tests vs hunting. He provided pictures of recovered bullets and explained the observed game behavior after impact.
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"If your 3006 is older, it could be a 1:12 twist. A lighter bullet stabilizes better with slower twist rates."
AFAIK, the only 30-06 rifles with 1 in 12" twist barrels are the Browning 78 and Husqvarna according to the Speer #9 Manual. I have one FN Mauser with a 1 in 12" barrel but its a custom job. It's quite accurate with the 165 gr. AccuBond bit will not shoot and 180 gr. spitzer into anything smaller than 4 inches. I also have a Husqvarna 640 in 30-06 that apparently, according to the Speer manual has a 1 in 12" twist. In theory, a 1 in 12" should stabilize a 180 gr. bullet but nothing heavier. My custom will do 1.5" with the 220 gr. Sierra round nose bullets. I'll have to try some 180 round nose I have on hand to see what they'll do. I'll run some 180 gr. spitzers and round nose in the Husky and see what the results might be.
On 180 gr. bullets I have run some Hornady Interlocks to 2800 FPS in a Remington M700 BDL and 700 Classic, 22" barrel with no apparent pressure signs in either rifle. This was during early summer with temps in the mid 90s for whatever that's worth. Figured I might use it on my next elk hunt. Would have alternated between the BDL and my custom .280 Rem. from day to day. The hunt didn't happen. Vehicle accidents two days before the hunt and five days in the hospital got in the way.
Paul B.
AFAIK, the only 30-06 rifles with 1 in 12" twist barrels are the Browning 78 and Husqvarna according to the Speer #9 Manual. I have one FN Mauser with a 1 in 12" barrel but its a custom job. It's quite accurate with the 165 gr. AccuBond bit will not shoot and 180 gr. spitzer into anything smaller than 4 inches. I also have a Husqvarna 640 in 30-06 that apparently, according to the Speer manual has a 1 in 12" twist. In theory, a 1 in 12" should stabilize a 180 gr. bullet but nothing heavier. My custom will do 1.5" with the 220 gr. Sierra round nose bullets. I'll have to try some 180 round nose I have on hand to see what they'll do. I'll run some 180 gr. spitzers and round nose in the Husky and see what the results might be.
On 180 gr. bullets I have run some Hornady Interlocks to 2800 FPS in a Remington M700 BDL and 700 Classic, 22" barrel with no apparent pressure signs in either rifle. This was during early summer with temps in the mid 90s for whatever that's worth. Figured I might use it on my next elk hunt. Would have alternated between the BDL and my custom .280 Rem. from day to day. The hunt didn't happen. Vehicle accidents two days before the hunt and five days in the hospital got in the way.
Paul B.
