Poor Novice Shooters...

ksubuck

Handloader
Jun 25, 2014
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I had some fun at the range today. A young man sat down next to me and started shooting his new rifle. I could tell he was frustrated so I took a peek at his target with my scope. He had run 10 or so rounds through the gun and had yet to hit paper at 50 yards. I struck up a conversation with him to see how he was doing. He informed me he just picked the rifle out at the local SG store and came straight to the range to sight his gun in. Ya know, deer season is coming right around the corner.

He was frustrated because he could hardly work the action, the gun would try to chamber two rounds at once, and he couldn't tell where his rounds were hitting. He had picked up a Remington 770 in 30-06 and had never shot a rifle in his life.

So, I ask him if the store put the scope on for him. He said no it came all put together in the box. I offered to teach him how to bore sight the gun and he took me up on the offer. I put my Harris bipod on it and stacked some bags under the stock. Took one look through the POS 3x9x32 scope and crapped myself. First, a Tasco would have been a step up. Second, the crosshairs were rotated 30 degrees to the left and the crosshairs were several feet high and to the left of the target which I had sighted the bore on. I cracked out the tools and went to town on the scope. Removed the rings that were of the poorest quality imaginable, torqued the base down carefully cause I wasn't sure how much torque the action could take before it would crack. Replaced the rings and centered them. Settled the scope in and tightened it all down. Cranked the scope for what seemed like forever to get the gun boresighted.

This poor kid tried to give me a handful of rounds. I said no way. He would be the first person to get that gun on paper. His first shot was 4 low and 2 right. Should have seen his smile! He did manage to shoot a 3 inch group at 50. The gun still wouldn't feed a round from the mag without a second one jumping in the way. Taught him how to feed one round at a time.

I let him play with my 25-06 afterwards and he was amazed. I have 1200.00 in my ABolt, stock and scope. I almost gave it to him. What is the point of my story? What the heck Remington. That was the poorest excuse of a rifle I have ever seen. Selling at a price point? Selling what? Junk! I know all of the manufactures are putting super saver specials on the market so I won't just pick on Remington... That kid could have saved for a couple of more months and bought a 700 ADL from Wally World.
 
And that my friends....is exactly the reason I've sworn off Remington.

It's not so much that even their higher priced guns also gave me fits (maybe just my bad luck, getting lemons)...but putting their name on junk like the rifle above....more than I could stand.

No offense meant to our resident Remington guys/gals....but they burned me and people I know one too many times. I'm sure other makes do too...but I haven't owned them, so I can't speak to their quality...never owned a bolt action other than Remington (over 100 of them over the years), and 4 model 70's.
 
Good for you, ksubuck. That had to be a positive help to the lad. I seldom go to the range without finding myself bore-sighting, torquing action screws and/or ring screws for some poor soul who knows little about his/her rifle. It is disturbingly common to spend a portion of each range session teaching neophytes how to shoot. It is gratifying when you witness them suddenly discovering the joy of shooting, but there is something dreadfully wrong with the common perception that all I need do is pull the trigger to be a marksman.
 
I don't think I've ever even seen a Rem 770. Huh.

Sounds like you did a lot to help out that new shooter, and I sure hope he upgrades his equipment and that he enjoys his hunting season. Good for you!

Guy
 
Great job, ksbuck! Hopefully, your help has encouraged the man to enjoy shooting for the rest of his life. And, hopefully, he will pass it on.
 
I wouldnt buy a new remington if you gave me the money for it. Im disappointed in remington big time. Still cant beat a classic though!
 
I've said it since the day I first saw one at the SHOT Show - the 770 is junk, no matter what the gun writers all say. I can't believe (well, I can, but you know what I mean) how they all praise the 770 as a wonderful piece of work. Yeah, it's a piece of work alright... :shock:

He would have been much better off with a Savage Axis - they may be plastic, but at least they're accurate.
 
Or an older Vanguard, TC Venture, plain old Savage 110, Ruger American or Marlin XL7. All of those I've seen and shot could be had for 300-350 and shot like no ones business.
 
I love the OLD Remington 700's so much....

Reliable. Accurate. Great handling. A hunter's rifle. Particularly a hunter concerned with accuracy. I remember turning away from the Win Model 70 in disgust after several poor-shooting examples....

Now Winchester has been making great rifles for a number of years and Remington seems to be sliding down, down, down. Makes me sad.

Of course, the relatively new .30-06 I bought only a couple of years ago was shooting MOA with the first handloads I tossed into it, handloads crafted for another rifle... Hmmmm....




Maybe they're not ALL so bad? :grin:

Guy
 
I've seen a few of the CDLs that were shooters outta' the box. They are a handsome rifle. Heck, you can look kool even if they don't shoot. :grin:
 
Isn't the 770 the one with the disposable BIC barrel?
 
Yep...710 became the 770 a few years ago.

A disastrous piece of crap. I tried to sight one chambered in .270 in for a friend of mine that he won at a DU banquet. Neither of us had high hopes but we gave it a go.

After 21 shots, I gave up.
 
Two years ago a young fellow hunted Elk with & was using 770 Remington in a 270win. That rifle was likely the poorest quality rifle I ever seen :(. It too attempted to feed 2 shells at a time. The young guy struggled with it for 2 days & then borrowed my cousin for the remainder of the hunt.
Last year he came back with a Ruger American in the same calibre & had no trouble at all.
Our group own two CDLS & one BDL & all three are good shooter & are easy to load for!!

Blessings,
Dan
 
One does get what he pays for ! I will also say except for shotguns every rifle I have, has had some work from Glass bedding to adjust the trigger pull. This is Winchester Remington Ruger & Marlin rifles.
 
...after playing w/ all of 'em working @ the gunshop, outta the bunch, Axis, Marlin, Mossberg, Ruger, Vanguard, TC, the 770 is by far the worst of the bunch, & @ a spit less than $1K MSRP, the Mod. 700 BDL doesn't compare all that well to the new Mod. 70, X-Bolt, or Tikka, you could even be into a Kimber, Sako A7, or plain jane Cooper for a little more...
 
Ksubuck

I had a similar experience with a 770 in 7-08. A friend bought one for his son. I overheard him talking about the trouble they been through trying to sight it in. They had shot up quite a bit of ammo. They had also had other people try to no avail. I offered to try. Knowing what they had been through already, the first thing I did was take everything apart and reassemble it. Even after this it was tough. The scope was one of those that takes a couple of shots to settle in after you make an adjustment. I eventually started bumping the butt of the empty rifle against the bumper of the truck after making an adjustment. This seemed to help settle the crosshairs in place. The trigger was also very bad. I eventually got it to place two shots about an inch high at 200 yards. I stopped right there. I didn't know what else I could do, but I felt bad giving them the rifle back. I had no confidence that the rifle would hold that zero and I knew that trigger was going to be hard to deal with.

Some time later another friend bought one. I know him to be quite capable of sighting it in himself. I don't think he was ever able to get it to shoot well enough to give him any confidence with it.

JohnB

JohnB
 
Back when Remington first came out with the 710 the gun shop in town that received the first one had a lot of interested shooters, me among them. I got there late in the afternoon after countless patrons had handled the sole sample.

When it was handed to me, I immediately lifted the bolt handle to open the action to ensure the chamber was empty..........and the handle popped off in my hand :shock: . It seems the handle was pressed onto the head of a hex head bolt and the repeated opening/closing of the action by the previous patrons loosened it so that it's separation was saved for me. Numerous other guys witnessed this and all of us had stunned looks on our faces because this level of QC was hard to fathom at the time. As anyone who has handled a 710/770 knows, the action is hard to operate (understatement) and this contributed to/caused the defect.

Needless to say, that example was sent back to Remington for repair/replacement and no one who was present was impressed or would recommend that model to anyone they liked.

Ron
 
How does a company that brought us so many good rifles & shotguns over decades... get to the point where they're producing such a poor product?
 
Guy,
An erosion of the employee's concern for the name on the barrel and the bean counters only concern with a fast profit over repeat business.
 
I bought a CDL 25-06 just like Guys. I loved the rifle up until I started shooting it. It took a bunch of work to shoot properly and still had that crappy X-Mark. If I was smart I would have put a Timney in it and kept it but i lost faith in the rifle and sent it packing. I know there are problems with all rifles but this rifle stole 800 bucks of my hard earned money plus what I had in it to make it shoot.

I hope they comeback. The CDL is one of my favorite stock designs.
 
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