QL data for Nosler 160 & 175 partitions, in 7 Rem Mag?

[preacher]

I can't seem to find this info through the search feature ( imagine that?) I am having this 26" 7 Rem Mag made up and was hoping I can reach 3100/160 and 3000/175. If you can link me or publish the QL data I will sing at your funeral for you someday...free! Slowest powders I have are R22/7828/H4831/IMR 4831. Although, I did see some R33 online the other day. No joy for H1000 or R25 or N560 for me. Thanks.

 

[preacher]

This will be my first 7mm Rem Mag with a 26" barrel. I've pulled my OCD hair out with 24" models trying to get these velocities in the past, ha. Best I ever got with the 160PT was 2950 and about 2850 with the 175PT, both fully awesome but not what I want! ha I think I will also try that 175 Sierra SBT. Not sure if the 9" twist will do well with the Nosler 175 ABLR just yet.

 

[DrMike]

I'll inform my widow to touch base with you. Fortunately, I won't have to be around to hear the presentation.

Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 160, Nosler PART SP 16327
Useable Case Capaci: 74.317 grain H2O = 4.825 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

30 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 106.4 76.8 4.98 3183 97.2 60000 14326 1.245 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 106.8 80.4 5.21 3169 97.6 60000 14157 1.246 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 110.0 75.8 4.91 3150 100.0 59943 12627 1.239 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 94.3 69.5 4.50 3120 100.0 60000 12245 1.266 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 105.3 72.1 4.67 3116 99.8 60000 12884 1.261 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 97.2 68.0 4.41 3111 99.3 60000 12889 1.251 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 103.1 70.2 4.55 3107 100.0 60000 11942 1.248 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 97.5 71.0 4.60 3104 98.5 60000 13028 1.258 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 96.1 67.7 4.38 3102 99.6 60000 12482 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 101.6 67.7 4.38 3102 99.6 60000 12482 1.240 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 106.4 72.1 4.67 3087 99.7 60000 12205 1.234 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 97.4 67.5 4.37 3083 99.9 60000 12315 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 100.0 67.8 4.39 3082 99.9 60000 12338 1.257 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 110.0 74.2 4.81 3071 100.0 54196 12935 1.316 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 97.5 72.8 4.71 3065 100.0 60000 11764 1.254 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 77.8 5.04 3065 97.7 54177 13589 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 108.6 79.2 5.13 3059 91.6 60000 12922 1.241 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 81.5 5.28 3049 95.5 53032 14084 1.343 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 94.5 64.8 4.20 3042 99.9 60000 11757 1.252 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 99.6 66.7 4.32 3034 100.0 60000 11041 1.269 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 90.2 63.8 4.13 3027 100.0 60000 11262 1.260 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 95.9 66.4 4.30 3023 99.1 60000 11716 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 99.8 66.4 4.30 3023 99.1 60000 11716 1.249 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 109.2 74.0 4.79 3013 95.7 60000 12191 1.270 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 93.5 67.6 4.38 2997 99.9 60000 11212 1.259 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 99.8 67.6 4.38 2988 100.0 60000 10965 1.264 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 97.6 66.9 4.33 2983 100.0 60000 10816 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 94.1 61.7 4.00 2981 100.0 60000 10549 1.276 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 100.0 65.7 4.26 2978 99.4 60000 11067 1.256 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 92.1 61.0 3.95 2953 100.0 60000 9962 1.269 ! Near Maximum !

Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 175, Nosler PART SP 35645
Useable Case Capaci: 72.874 grain H2O = 4.732 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

33 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 104.7 74.1 4.80 3057 98.0 60000 14117 1.295 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 105.1 77.6 5.03 3046 98.3 60000 13968 1.296 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 108.3 73.2 4.74 3020 100.0 60000 12320 1.288 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 76.3 4.94 3002 98.9 57672 13543 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 110.0 72.8 4.72 2998 100.0 58004 12655 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 79.9 5.18 2996 97.3 56876 14140 1.352 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 103.6 69.6 4.51 2987 100.0 60000 12576 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 92.7 66.9 4.34 2983 100.0 60000 11917 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 95.6 65.6 4.25 2981 99.7 60000 12603 1.301 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 96.0 68.5 4.44 2978 99.1 60000 12785 1.309 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 93.8 65.7 4.26 2973 100.0 60000 12078 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 100.0 65.3 4.23 2972 99.9 60000 12186 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 94.6 65.3 4.23 2972 99.9 60000 12186 1.291 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 101.4 67.7 4.39 2972 100.0 60000 11633 1.300 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 104.8 69.7 4.51 2963 99.9 60000 11931 1.284 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 95.9 65.1 4.22 2953 100.0 60000 11996 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 98.4 65.4 4.24 2952 100.0 60000 12024 1.308 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 107.2 76.7 4.97 2947 92.9 60000 12872 1.289 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 96.0 70.2 4.55 2935 100.0 60000 11464 1.305 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 93.1 62.5 4.05 2913 100.0 60000 11460 1.302 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 97.9 64.4 4.17 2899 100.0 60000 10752 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 98.3 64.2 4.16 2899 99.5 60000 11480 1.299 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 94.5 64.2 4.16 2899 99.5 60000 11480 1.299 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 107.6 71.5 4.63 2896 96.6 60000 12054 1.320 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 92.1 65.3 4.23 2871 100.0 60000 10946 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 98.3 65.3 4.23 2862 100.0 60000 10680 1.315 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 78.7 5.10 2855 91.4 54425 12594 1.358 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 98.6 63.5 4.11 2855 99.7 60000 10827 1.306 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 96.1 64.5 4.18 2854 100.0 60000 10529 1.343 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 75.0 4.86 2851 87.4 54301 12699 1.358 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 92.6 59.6 3.86 2849 100.0 60000 10259 1.328 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 90.6 58.9 3.82 2819 100.0 60000 9688 1.322 ! Near Maximum !

 

[preacher]

Thanks you sir! Any requests as to "The Song"?

 

[DrMike]

"I'll Fly Away"

 

[SJB358]

That 26" barrel does some great things for the 7mm Rem Mag Jim.

Any idea what twist your barrel is?

 

[wildgene]

"I'll Fly Away"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59XU2R3n0JA

 

[DrMike]

"I'll Fly Away"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=59XU2R3n0JA

Yup! That'll do.

 

[preacher]

This is a new Remington factory SS take off barrel. We borescoped it and the rifling was very well done. I am assuming it is a 1 in 9", it may be 9 1/4, not sure. What twist does the 175 ABLR require?

 

[preacher]

What does QL say for the 175 Sierra SBT? ( If you answer Dr M I'll do an "encore")

 

[wildgene]

This is a new Remington factory SS take off barrel. We borescoped it and the rifling was very well done. I am assuming it is a 1 in 9", it may be 9 1/4, not sure. What twist does the 175 ABLR require?

...probably 1:9 1/2; 1/9 1/2...

 

[preacher]

I'm pretty sure it came off of a Mod 700 stainless SPS. I am still thinking 9 1/4"

 

[preacher]

Back in the 80's I got hold of some of the old Barnes 195 sp. ( pure copper/lead core) to try in my 24" BDL 7 Rem Mag. It keyholed them. I was bummed. That was one long bullet too. In fact, from that, I never tried any 160/175 Barnes X/XLC/XBT either in any 7 mag I had. I'm pretty sure a 175 partitionis short enough to get good accuracy in a 9 1/4, just not sure about that super long 175 ABLR ( but it is soooo pretty! ha)

 

[DrMike]

This is a new Remington factory SS take off barrel. We borescoped it and the rifling was very well done. I am assuming it is a 1 in 9", it may be 9 1/4, not sure. What twist does the 175 ABLR require?

"Drop Kick Me Jesus Through the Goalposts of Life"

Cartridge : 7 mm Rem. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .284, 175, Sierra SPBT 1940 G7 Litz
Useable Case Capaci: 73.190 grain H2O = 4.752 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.290 inch = 83.57 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

33 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type Filling/Loading Ratio Charge Charge Vel. Prop.Burnt P max P muzz B_Time
% Grains Gramm fps % psi psi ms
--------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------------------------
Vihtavuori N570 104.5 74.3 4.82 3060 98.1 60000 14134 1.296 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 105.0 77.8 5.04 3049 98.4 60000 13984 1.297 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Retumbo 108.2 73.4 4.75 3023 100.0 60000 12330 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H870 110.0 76.6 4.97 3010 99.0 58050 13572 1.319 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 217 110.0 73.1 4.74 3006 100.0 58396 12670 1.327 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-50 110.0 80.3 5.20 3006 97.5 57292 14177 1.349 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 2 103.4 69.8 4.52 2989 100.0 60000 12586 1.313 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-26 92.5 67.1 4.35 2985 100.0 60000 11926 1.320 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 95.4 65.8 4.26 2984 99.7 60000 12616 1.303 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 95.8 68.7 4.45 2981 99.1 60000 12799 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 93.6 65.9 4.27 2976 100.0 60000 12087 1.311 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 99.8 65.4 4.24 2975 99.9 60000 12198 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 94.4 65.4 4.24 2975 99.9 60000 12198 1.292 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 101.2 67.9 4.40 2974 100.0 60000 11642 1.301 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000 104.7 69.9 4.53 2965 100.0 60000 11942 1.285 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 95.7 65.3 4.23 2955 100.0 60000 12006 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 98.3 65.6 4.25 2955 100.0 60000 12034 1.310 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori 24N41 107.0 76.9 4.98 2951 93.0 60000 12896 1.290 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 95.8 70.4 4.56 2938 100.0 60000 11474 1.307 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 92.9 62.7 4.06 2916 100.0 60000 11470 1.304 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 98.2 64.4 4.17 2902 99.5 60000 11493 1.301 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 94.4 64.4 4.17 2902 99.5 60000 11493 1.301 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 97.8 64.5 4.18 2901 100.0 60000 10762 1.323 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N170 107.5 71.7 4.65 2899 96.7 60000 12073 1.321 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780 92.0 65.5 4.24 2874 100.0 60000 10957 1.312 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 98.2 65.5 4.25 2864 100.0 60000 10690 1.317 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon US 869 110.0 79.1 5.12 2864 91.6 54747 12640 1.356 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon 50BMG 110.0 75.3 4.88 2860 87.6 54611 12750 1.356 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 98.4 63.7 4.13 2857 99.8 60000 10840 1.307 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100 95.9 64.7 4.19 2856 100.0 60000 10538 1.344 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 92.4 59.7 3.87 2851 100.0 60000 10269 1.330 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 90.5 59.0 3.83 2822 100.0 60000 9698 1.323 ! Near Maximum !

 

[Dwh7271]

Can't beat Bobby Bare. Good call on that one Doc. :grin:

 

[preacher]

Looks like R33 is the one to give a whirl! I located some, just need my coins to get right now! You're in luck Doc! I know both songs by heart! For myself, I'm partial to "Open my eyes that I may see"! ha

 

[DrMike]

I'm partial to the Vhita Vuori powders. They have worked quite well for me. Would love to see some of the new Alliant powders (even the "old" Alliant powders) around here.

 

[Oldtrader3]

Be warned that many 7mm Rem Mags will not make the numbers in the reloading manuals. My 7mm Mag is 100+ fps short of predicted muzzle speeds with the 160 Partitions but it still kills game well despite low MV.

 

[preacher]

I hear you OT- I never had a 24" 7 Rem Mag make them either. The 7 STW would, and of course, the 7 RUM did. I'm hoping with a 26" bbl and slow powder I can reach 160/3100 and 175/3000 within acceptable pressure. I just like to see if I can get all the case design calls for. I see no reason to load any magnum below 62000 psi/cup, whatever. I also don't like to run them at 65000 either. I want at least 3-4 loadings per magnum case. More is just icing on the cake, ha. I don't "need to", I just want to see if I can get there with good accuracy. You're right though, I've killed a lot of game with "less than advertised" velocity, but it wasn't because I wasn't trying for more! ha. From what I have read about the new R33 it seems to run at less pressure than even R22. I have to try it!

 

[preacher]

Doc, I wish I could get the Vit powders here!