QL for .300 WM, please

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jagermeister

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If possible, I would like someone to please run QL according to the following :

300 Win.Mag.
26" barrel (1 in 11", if matters...)
Norma brass
Hogdgon H1000 powder

Option 1 : Berger 185 VLD Hunting

Option 2 : Nosler 180 Ballistic Tip

Option 3 : Hornady 200 ELD-X

Thank you in advance.

JM (y)
 
Hope that helps.

Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 185, Berger VLD #30413
Useable Case Capaci: 80.293 grain H2O = 5.213 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code: 
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    71.10   2673    2936   39555  10410     94.4    1.483
-09.0   98    71.89   2707    3010   40972  10542     95.0    1.458
-08.0   99    72.68   2741    3085   42446  10668     95.5    1.433
-07.0  100    73.47   2774    3162   43979  10789     96.1    1.410
-06.0  101    74.26   2808    3239   45574  10904     96.6    1.386
-05.0  103    75.05   2842    3317   47236  11014     97.0    1.363
-04.0  104    75.84   2876    3397   48967  11118     97.5    1.340
-03.0  105    76.63   2909    3477   50772  11216     97.9    1.318
-02.0  106    77.42   2943    3558   52654  11307     98.2    1.296
-01.0  107    78.21   2977    3641   54617  11392     98.6    1.274  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  108    79.00   3011    3724   56666  11470     98.9    1.253  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    79.79   3045    3808   58805  11541     99.1    1.232  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  110    80.58   3079    3893   61039  11605     99.4    1.211  ! Near Maximum !
+03.0  111    81.37   3112    3979   63375  11661     99.6    1.191  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    82.16   3146    4066   65819  11710     99.7    1.171  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    82.95   3180    4154   68376  11751     99.9    1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    79.00   3167    4121   69130  11054    100.0    1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    79.00   2792    3202   45905  11105     92.2    1.381


Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 80.219 grain H2O = 5.209 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code: 
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    71.10   2682    2874   38758  10307     93.5    1.480
-09.0   98    71.89   2716    2948   40144  10443     94.1    1.455
-08.0   99    72.68   2750    3022   41587  10574     94.7    1.431
-07.0  100    73.47   2784    3098   43087  10700     95.3    1.407
-06.0  102    74.26   2818    3174   44649  10821     95.9    1.383
-05.0  103    75.05   2852    3252   46276  10937     96.4    1.360
-04.0  104    75.84   2887    3331   47970  11047     96.8    1.337
-03.0  105    76.63   2921    3410   49738  11151     97.3    1.315
-02.0  106    77.42   2956    3491   51579  11249     97.7    1.293
-01.0  107    78.21   2990    3573   53501  11341     98.1    1.271
+00.0  108    79.00   3024    3656   55507  11426     98.4    1.250  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    79.79   3059    3740   57602  11504     98.8    1.229  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  110    80.58   3093    3825   59790  11575     99.0    1.208  ! Near Maximum !
+03.0  111    81.37   3128    3910   62078  11639     99.3    1.188  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0  112    82.16   3162    3997   64470  11695     99.5    1.168  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    82.95   3197    4084   66976  11743     99.7    1.148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    79.00   3188    4062   67651  11068    100.0    1.149  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    79.00   2799    3131   45008  10971     91.2    1.379

Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 200, Hornady ELD-X 3076
Useable Case Capaci: 77.693 grain H2O = 5.044 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code: 
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   98    69.30   2623    3056   41596  10339     96.1    1.497
-09.0   99    70.07   2655    3131   43103  10454     96.6    1.472
-08.0  100    70.84   2688    3208   44669  10565     97.1    1.447
-07.0  101    71.61   2720    3286   46283  10670     97.5    1.423
-06.0  102    72.38   2752    3364   47996  10768     97.9    1.399
-05.0  103    73.15   2785    3444   49760  10861     98.3    1.376
-04.0  104    73.92   2817    3524   51607  10948     98.6    1.353
-03.0  105    74.69   2849    3605   53529  11028     98.9    1.330
-02.0  107    75.46   2882    3688   55535  11101     99.2    1.308  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  108    76.23   2914    3771   57629  11168     99.4    1.286  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  109    77.00   2946    3855   59814  11228     99.6    1.265  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  110    77.77   2978    3939   62096  11280     99.7    1.244  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  111    78.54   3010    4025   64485  11325     99.9    1.223  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  112    79.31   3043    4111   66974  11362     99.9    1.203  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  113    80.08   3075    4198   69595  11391    100.0    1.183  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  114    80.85   3106    4286   72332  11413    100.0    1.163  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    109    77.00   3085    4227   73103  10726    100.0    1.166  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    109    77.00   2744    3344   48365  11081     94.2    1.393
 
Sure does ! (y)
Thanks a lot !

One question....does QL also take into account OAL variations ?

For instance....if I'd give you a specific Cartridge OAL, would QL adjust data accordingly ?

TY
JM :wink:
 
jagermeister":bvo28swf said:
Does QL also take into account OAL variations ?

For instance....if I'd give you a specific Cartridge OAL, would QL adjust data accordingly ?

TY
JM :wink:
Click to expand...

Yes. Measured case overfill capacity (powder burn rate, temperature, etc.) is also a parameter that the program takes into consideration.
 
DrMike":2k02rhe1 said:
jagermeister":2k02rhe1 said:
Does QL also take into account OAL variations ?

For instance....if I'd give you a specific Cartridge OAL, would QL adjust data accordingly ?

TY
JM :wink:
Click to expand...

Yes. Measured case overfill capacity (powder burn rate, temperature, etc.) is also a parameter that the program takes into consideration.
Click to expand...


Thanks Doc ! (y)

I am really looking for velocity of the following Load :

.300 Win.Mag. 1 in 11" 26" barrel

Hodgdon H1000 powder x 74,5 grs.

Berger Hybrid Target 215 grs.

Norma brass

Federal GM215 primer

COAL : 3,68" (93,50 mm.)


Can you help me ? :mrgreen:

Thanks in advance ! (y)
 
jagermeister":1uvhpy0w said:
DrMike":1uvhpy0w said:
jagermeister":1uvhpy0w said:
Does QL also take into account OAL variations ?

For instance....if I'd give you a specific Cartridge OAL, would QL adjust data accordingly ?

TY
JM :wink:
Click to expand...

Yes. Measured case overfill capacity (powder burn rate, temperature, etc.) is also a parameter that the program takes into consideration.
Click to expand...


Thanks Doc ! (y)

I am really looking for velocity of the following Load :

.300 Win.Mag. 1 in 11" 26" barrel

Hodgdon H1000 powder x 74,5 grs.

Berger Hybrid Target 215 grs.

Norma brass

Federal GM215 primer

COAL : 3,68" (93,50 mm.)


Can you help me ? :mrgreen:

Thanks in advance ! (y)
Click to expand...

You left out ambient temp, but I set it for 70 degrees. I set the weighing factor as .33 instead of .5 for overbore bottleneck cartridges. Seems like 74.5 grains is a low mild charge, you may want to add a few more grains up to around 78 grains for more velocity but work up in increments. Side note, I checked the stability of the 215 grain bullet you are using on the Berger website, it seems that its marginally stable as SG=1.21. If it won't group well, you may want to go a little lighter to 200 - 210 grains with 1-11 twist. Let us know how it shoots.


Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 215, Berger Hybr #30429
Useable Case Capaci: 83.280 grain H2O = 5.407 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.680 inch = 93.47 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000 ?, Temperature: 70 °F

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code: 
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   88    67.05   2431    2821   33483  10675     93.5    1.662
-09.0   89    67.80   2460    2889   34544  10824     94.1    1.641
-08.0   90    68.54   2490    2959   35642  10969     94.6    1.619
-07.0   91    69.29   2519    3029   36776  11111     95.2    1.598
-06.0   92    70.03   2548    3100   37950  11249     95.7    1.575
-05.0   93    70.78   2578    3172   39163  11383     96.1    1.550
-04.0   94    71.52   2607    3245   40420  11513     96.6    1.526
-03.0   95    72.27   2637    3319   41719  11639     97.0    1.503
-02.0   96    73.01   2666    3394   43066  11759     97.4    1.480
-01.0   97    73.76   2696    3470   44459  11875     97.7    1.458
+00.0   98    74.50   2726    3547   45903  11986     98.1    1.436
+01.0   99    75.25   2755    3624   47399  12092     98.4    1.414
+02.0  100    75.99   2785    3703   48949  12193     98.7    1.392
+03.0  101    76.74   2815    3782   50555  12287     98.9    1.371
+04.0  102    77.48   2844    3862   52221  12377     99.2    1.350
+05.0  103    78.23   2874    3943   53950  12460     99.4    1.330

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba     98    74.50   2877    3950   55815  11709    100.0    1.319  ! Near Maximum !
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba     98    74.50   2522    3037   37344  11416     90.5    1.584
 
TackDriver284":2p9rsqdb said:
You left out ambient temp, but I set it for 70 degrees. I set the weighing factor as .33 instead of .5 for overbore bottleneck cartridges. Seems like 74.5 grains is a low mild charge, you may want to add a few more grains up to around 78 grains for more velocity but work up in increments. Side note, I checked the stability of the 215 grain bullet you are using on the Berger website, it seems that its marginally stable as SG=1.21. If it won't group well, you may want to go a little lighter to 200 - 210 grains with 1-11 twist. Let us know how it shoots.
Click to expand...

Thanks TackDriver for taking the time.... (y)

I know Berger reccommends even a 1:9" twist rate for this bullet, but I've "heard" Guys having no problems to stabilize it with a 1:12" and, since I like the idea, I thought I'd give it a try...
If it turns out it doesn't work I will get back on lighter bullets....
Here's a group I've shot the other day with my 74,5 load, 4 shots at 100 meters.



Nothing outstanding, I know.... but not horrible either...right ? :mrgreen:


With regards to the load, I am going to try some 3 grs. heavier (77,5) and see.
I've tried 77 grs. in the past with no issues.

The one I'm shooting seems quite "balanced" though and not too low...
Here's a pic of the resulted primers :



...a little flatten ? Although within the norm I'd say.

What do you Guys think ?

Thanks
(y)
JM :wink:
 
With my 300 I found very good accuracy with the milder loads using H-1000 but when I pushed toward max with the 180 gr bullets that accuracy declined. I ended up going back to my all time favorite of 70+ grains of H-4350, with the Pt for hunting and the 180 gr Seirra for general shooting.
 
Some updates...

Tried the 77,5 grs. Load @ 100 meter :



Not too good I'd say, so went back to the 74,5....

I've shot three shot group at 100 meter. Two shots within half an inch apart and the third more than one inch.... :roll:

I decided to try a longer range anyway...

Here's a 5 shot group at 300 meter (328 yds.) :



First shot was the one on the far right, then the three close together and the last went under the 3-shot-group.
It does not seem bad to me...
But now I am thinking this bullet was not meant for short range and thus testing should be performed at longer range...

What do you Guys think ? ...and what would you do next ?

Thank you
(y)
JM :wink:
 
TackDriver284":2h4smwqj said:
Hope that helps.

Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 185, Berger VLD #30413
Useable Case Capaci: 80.293 grain H2O = 5.213 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code: 
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    71.10   2673    2936   39555  10410     94.4    1.483
-09.0   98    71.89   2707    3010   40972  10542     95.0    1.458
-08.0   99    72.68   2741    3085   42446  10668     95.5    1.433
-07.0  100    73.47   2774    3162   43979  10789     96.1    1.410
-06.0  101    74.26   2808    3239   45574  10904     96.6    1.386
-05.0  103    75.05   2842    3317   47236  11014     97.0    1.363
-04.0  104    75.84   2876    3397   48967  11118     97.5    1.340
-03.0  105    76.63   2909    3477   50772  11216     97.9    1.318
-02.0  106    77.42   2943    3558   52654  11307     98.2    1.296
-01.0  107    78.21   2977    3641   54617  11392     98.6    1.274  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  108    79.00   3011    3724   56666  11470     98.9    1.253  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    79.79   3045    3808   58805  11541     99.1    1.232  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  110    80.58   3079    3893   61039  11605     99.4    1.211  ! Near Maximum !
+03.0  111    81.37   3112    3979   63375  11661     99.6    1.191  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  112    82.16   3146    4066   65819  11710     99.7    1.171  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    82.95   3180    4154   68376  11751     99.9    1.152  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    79.00   3167    4121   69130  11054    100.0    1.153  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    79.00   2792    3202   45905  11105     92.2    1.381


Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 180, Nosler BalTip 30180
Useable Case Capaci: 80.219 grain H2O = 5.209 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code: 
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   97    71.10   2682    2874   38758  10307     93.5    1.480
-09.0   98    71.89   2716    2948   40144  10443     94.1    1.455
-08.0   99    72.68   2750    3022   41587  10574     94.7    1.431
-07.0  100    73.47   2784    3098   43087  10700     95.3    1.407
-06.0  102    74.26   2818    3174   44649  10821     95.9    1.383
-05.0  103    75.05   2852    3252   46276  10937     96.4    1.360
-04.0  104    75.84   2887    3331   47970  11047     96.8    1.337
-03.0  105    76.63   2921    3410   49738  11151     97.3    1.315
-02.0  106    77.42   2956    3491   51579  11249     97.7    1.293
-01.0  107    78.21   2990    3573   53501  11341     98.1    1.271
+00.0  108    79.00   3024    3656   55507  11426     98.4    1.250  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  109    79.79   3059    3740   57602  11504     98.8    1.229  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  110    80.58   3093    3825   59790  11575     99.0    1.208  ! Near Maximum !
+03.0  111    81.37   3128    3910   62078  11639     99.3    1.188  ! Near Maximum !
+04.0  112    82.16   3162    3997   64470  11695     99.5    1.168  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  113    82.95   3197    4084   66976  11743     99.7    1.148  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    108    79.00   3188    4062   67651  11068    100.0    1.149  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    108    79.00   2799    3131   45008  10971     91.2    1.379

Cartridge : .300 Win. Mag.(SAAMI)
Bullet : .308, 200, Hornady ELD-X 3076
Useable Case Capaci: 77.693 grain H2O = 5.044 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Hodgdon H1000

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Code: 
Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-10.0   98    69.30   2623    3056   41596  10339     96.1    1.497
-09.0   99    70.07   2655    3131   43103  10454     96.6    1.472
-08.0  100    70.84   2688    3208   44669  10565     97.1    1.447
-07.0  101    71.61   2720    3286   46283  10670     97.5    1.423
-06.0  102    72.38   2752    3364   47996  10768     97.9    1.399
-05.0  103    73.15   2785    3444   49760  10861     98.3    1.376
-04.0  104    73.92   2817    3524   51607  10948     98.6    1.353
-03.0  105    74.69   2849    3605   53529  11028     98.9    1.330
-02.0  107    75.46   2882    3688   55535  11101     99.2    1.308  ! Near Maximum !
-01.0  108    76.23   2914    3771   57629  11168     99.4    1.286  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  109    77.00   2946    3855   59814  11228     99.6    1.265  ! Near Maximum !
+01.0  110    77.77   2978    3939   62096  11280     99.7    1.244  ! Near Maximum !
+02.0  111    78.54   3010    4025   64485  11325     99.9    1.223  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0  112    79.31   3043    4111   66974  11362     99.9    1.203  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0  113    80.08   3075    4198   69595  11391    100.0    1.183  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0  114    80.85   3106    4286   72332  11413    100.0    1.163  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    109    77.00   3085    4227   73103  10726    100.0    1.166  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    109    77.00   2744    3344   48365  11081     94.2    1.393
Click to expand...
>>> this reflects observed pressure signs w/ the 180 tip and 79 grains in my .300 WM
 
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