QL request 25 Creedmoor with RL17

[BruceP]

Requesting more help for the 25 Creedmoor. I have so RL17 coming to try with Nosler 100gr BT and also the Hornady 110gr ELD-X

The case is a 6.5 creedmoor necked to take .257 bullets with no other changes. The brass I have been working with uses small rifle primers and holds 52.3 grains of water.
The Nosler 100 gr. BT is loaded to col of 2.685" and the Hornady 110 gr. ELD-X is loaded to col of 2.697".

It would be great if someone could run these combos for me.

Thanks
Bruce

 

[Dwh7271]

You didn't specify a barrel length so I ran 24.
Also the 110 ELDX isn't in QL yet.

Cartridge          : 25 Creedmoor
Bullet             : .257, 100, Nosler BalTip 25100
Useable Case Capaci: 46.997 grain H2O = 3.051 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.685 inch = 68.20 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60000 psi, or 413 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

2 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 90%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
ReloadSwiss RS 60                  101.6     46.2     2.99    3316   100.0    60000   10629   1.045  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-26                 110.0     51.2     3.32    3307    99.1    56935   11720   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                           100.7     45.8     2.97    3294   100.0    60000   10576   1.051  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-17                 100.7     45.8     2.97    3294   100.0    60000   10576   1.051  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 70                  107.6     49.6     3.22    3281    97.6    60000   11244   1.048  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-16                 105.7     44.6     2.89    3274    99.7    60000   10541   1.048  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S365                       108.2     46.6     3.02    3271   100.0    60000   10097   1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ReloadSwiss RS 62                  104.5     47.4     3.07    3256    99.3    60000   10597   1.068  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma MRP                          110.0     49.7     3.22    3246    96.5    56072   11437   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                102.1     47.1     3.05    3242    98.3    60000   10636   1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
PB Clermont PCL 518                106.3     47.5     3.08    3242    98.0    60000   10672   1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Ramshot Hunter                     105.5     47.2     3.06    3240    98.3    60000   10619   1.061  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H414                        99.6     45.6     2.96    3233    97.5    60000   10588   1.064  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester 760                      99.6     45.6     2.96    3233    97.5    60000   10588   1.064  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma URP                          105.1     45.0     2.92    3229    99.4    60000   10318   1.066  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP19 ~approximation         105.1     45.0     2.92    3229    99.4    60000   10316   1.066  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4350                      104.5     45.3     2.93    3227    99.4    60000   10319   1.081  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N550                    102.0     45.1     2.92    3227    99.3    60000   10426   1.072  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Alliant Reloder-19                 109.9     47.6     3.09    3224    95.7    60000   10692   1.058  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
ADI AR 2209                        108.9     46.9     3.04    3215    95.4    60000   10578   1.053  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 7828 SSC                       110.0     49.0     3.17    3202    92.9    57471   10950   1.071  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           110.0     45.6     2.96    3201    99.4    59467   10093   1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                108.0     45.2     2.93    3197   100.0    60000    9568   1.063  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 ~approximation          107.5     46.6     3.02    3196    95.3    60000   10378   1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA4                        107.5     46.6     3.02    3196    95.3    60000   10378   1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Norma 204                          104.1     46.6     3.02    3196    95.3    60000   10378   1.060  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         110.0     47.7     3.09    3195    95.4    58777   10546   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       97.3     42.6     2.76    3182   100.0    60000    9653   1.088  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP3                          97.3     42.6     2.76    3182   100.0    60000    9653   1.088  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S385                       110.0     48.2     3.12    3182    96.7    59390   10288   1.080  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation       105.0     46.2     2.99    3181    97.1    60000   10148   1.071  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R903                       99.5     42.6     2.76    3175   100.0    60000    9577   1.087  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H380                        96.6     42.8     2.77    3175    99.1    60000    9904   1.080  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Somchem S355                        99.4     42.1     2.73    3167   100.0    60000    9567   1.083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S070                         104.1     44.6     2.89    3167    97.6    60000   10026   1.082  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Winchester Supreme 780             107.9     49.3     3.19    3163    95.3    60000   10067   1.062  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Vihtavuori N560                    110.0     48.7     3.16    3162    91.5    53457   11119   1.109  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        110.0     48.2     3.12    3159    92.3    56098   10726   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      108.0     46.1     2.99    3154    94.1    60000   10018   1.065  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   110.0     48.2     3.12    3153    92.5    58851   10231   1.068  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       90.2     41.2     2.67    3151   100.0    60000    9060   1.090  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex D073.6                        92.3     41.2     2.67    3151   100.0    60000    9060   1.090  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 4064                       97.1     41.1     2.67    3149   100.0    60000    9055   1.108  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Lovex S065                         102.8     43.6     2.82    3146    98.5    60000    9725   1.083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    91.1     42.4     2.74    3143    99.0    60000    9553   1.083  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Raufoss RA15                       110.0     48.2     3.12    3143    94.0    52618   10880   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 110.0     48.2     3.12    3143    94.0    52618   10880   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       110.0     48.2     3.12    3143    94.0    52618   10880   1.119  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                      101.3     43.1     2.79    3136    96.8    60000    9770   1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Bofors RP7                         101.3     43.1     2.79    3136    96.8    60000    9770   1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4007 SSC                        98.1     43.1     2.79    3136    96.7    60000    9762   1.079  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate 2495                       91.4     38.7     2.51    3127   100.0    60000    8717   1.113  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Accurate MAGPRO                    110.0     50.7     3.28    3126    89.1    52435   10976   1.123  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     110.0     51.9     3.36    3118    94.6    54322   10457   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                       106.6     49.2     3.19    3109    93.0    60000    9720   1.078  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Rottweil R901                       91.3     37.6     2.44    3105   100.0    60000    8696   1.097  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
IMR 4955 Enduron                   110.0     46.4     3.00    3090    92.6    57057    9839   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      110.0     47.3     3.06    3060    90.8    50933   10265   1.139
Alliant Reloder-23                 110.0     46.6     3.02    3059    98.7    47303   10285   1.174
Accurate 3100                      110.0     47.7     3.09    3056    96.8    51758    9899   1.157  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     110.0     47.1     3.05    3045    92.2    47872   10554   1.170
Bofors RP15                        110.0     47.1     3.05    3045    92.2    47872   10554   1.170
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  110.0     50.9     3.30    3033    90.3    49006   10598   1.154
PB Clermont PCL 517                110.0     50.9     3.30    3026    90.0    48738   10579   1.157
Hodgdon H4831                      110.0     46.3     3.00    3011    90.2    50894    9777   1.140
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       110.0     48.6     3.15    2994    87.2    50157    9924   1.148
IMR 7828                           110.0     46.3     3.00    2991    89.1    46813   10237   1.177
Vihtavuori N165                    110.0     47.1     3.05    2986    93.6    49465    9513   1.161
ADI AP 2214                        110.0     49.5     3.21    2980    89.1    48956   10052   1.157
Vihtavuori N160                    110.0     45.7     2.96    2977    91.5    50937    9333   1.148
Alliant Reloder-25                 110.0     47.4     3.07    2968    94.7    43292   10509   1.220
Lovex S071                         110.0     45.1     2.92    2860    93.9    41851    9383   1.275
IMR 7977 Enduron                   110.0     47.1     3.05    2854    80.6    50111    8529   1.167
Norma MRP 2                        110.0     47.7     3.09    2840    86.4    38587   10092   1.294
Bofors RP30                        110.0     47.7     3.09    2840    86.4    38587   10092   1.294
Hodgdon H1000                      110.0     47.1     3.05    2785    84.8    40480    9294   1.265
ADI AR 2217                        110.0     47.1     3.05    2785    84.8    40480    9294   1.265
Vihtavuori N570                    110.0     50.2     3.26    2782    76.7    37956   10043   1.306

 

[Dwh7271]

Cartridge          : 25 Creedmoor
Bullet             : .257, 100, Nosler BalTip 25100
Useable Case Capaci: 46.997 grain H2O = 3.051 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.685 inch = 68.20 mm
Barrel Length      : 24.0 inch = 609.6 mm
Powder             : Alliant Reloder-17

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 0.778% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step    Fill. Charge   Vel.  Energy   Pmax   Pmuz  Prop.Burnt B_Time
 %       %    Grains   fps   ft.lbs    psi    psi      %        ms

-07.8   92    41.90   3016    2019   44894  10072     98.7    1.198
-07.0   93    42.26   3041    2054   46089  10136     99.0    1.183
-06.2   94    42.61   3067    2089   47319  10196     99.2    1.169
-05.4   95    42.96   3093    2124   48584  10253     99.3    1.155
-04.7   95    43.32   3119    2159   49884  10307     99.5    1.141
-03.9   96    43.67   3144    2195   51224  10357     99.6    1.128  ! Near Maximum !
-03.1   97    44.03   3170    2231   52602  10403     99.7    1.114  ! Near Maximum !
-02.3   98    44.38   3195    2267   54022  10446     99.8    1.101  ! Near Maximum !
-01.6   98    44.73   3220    2303   55478  10485     99.9    1.088  ! Near Maximum !
-00.8   99    45.09   3246    2339   56987  10520    100.0    1.075  ! Near Maximum !
+00.0  100    45.44   3271    2375   58535  10551    100.0    1.062  ! Near Maximum !
+00.8  101    45.79   3296    2412   60134  10579    100.0    1.050  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+01.6  102    46.15   3321    2449   61777  10604    100.0    1.037  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.3  102    46.50   3346    2485   63473  10629    100.0    1.025  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.1  103    46.85   3370    2522   65213  10653    100.0    1.013  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.9  104    47.21   3395    2559   67022  10677    100.0    1.001  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by ± 3% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 3% relative to nominal value:
+Ba    100    45.44   3318    2445   62230  10395    100.0    1.036  !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 3% relative to nominal value:
-Ba    100    45.44   3216    2297   55005  10666     99.6    1.091  ! Near Maximum !

 

[Blkram]

I found the following load in some info on-line from the developer of this cartridge (25 Creedmoor/257 Wildcat/2Fity Hillbilly)

44.7 gr IMR4451 with Hdy ELD-X 110 gr bullet coal 2.784" for 3101 fps

Thought you might be interested.

Got this powder and bullets and am going to use in my 250 AI (case cap. 51 gr) and work up a load.
Should be very close to the same performance!

 

[BruceP]

Thanks for the charts that will help with the 100 grainers. I new I was leaving out something. The barrel is a 16" on an XP100 but that's ok. I would guess 250-300 fps less maybe.

Blkram I don't have IMR4451 right now but that's interesting and should perform well. Is the water capacity of your 250AI case with the water mounded at the case mouth or just to the base of the neck?

Bruce