Real .243 Win Velocities

beerbucksducks

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Lately I have been contemplating my current load for my Ruger Hawkeye .243 Win. It is consistently sub-MOA at 100 and the few times I’ve ran it on paper at 200 it’s a hair over 1 MOA, so plenty good for my deer hunting purposes but still some room for improvement. I took a decent 4x4 whitetail with it in November and have no complaints with on game performance. I have been considering putting a CDS turret on it for some longer range coyote medicine, but can’t decide if I’m happy enough with the load to commit to a custom turret. My load data is:
95 Nosler Ballistic Tip
41 gr. H4350
CCI 200
WW brass
2760 FPS on the magneto speed

Typically i don’t chase speed, and I am above Nosler max and one grain below Hodgdon max without pressure signs. Out of a 22” tube, is this comparable to what you guys are seeing with similar loads? My curiosity is probably coming from too much spare time this winter, but it keeps my mind busy. Haha. So CDS, yes or no? And what velocity would expect out of a 22” .243 running 95s? Any input is appreciated.


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Some guns have fast barrels, some have slow barrels, and some just don’t like certain powders for velocity. I have Rem 700 270 Win that shot really well with H4831 and 140 BTs, but I saw RL17 and the velocities that it showed in the manuals and decided to give it a try with 140 NABs. About the same time my dad’s chrono broke and I worked up to max load with great accuracy before I bought a new chrono. Imagine my surprise when I shot it over the chrono several years later and it was pushing about 150fps less than the book said it should.
 
Songdog":1qj8xz70 said:
You should be getting another 200-300 fps.....
That’s kind of what I was expecting. I was hoping to be around 2900, and was a bit surprised at just shy of 2800.


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43gr H4350 shot pretty well for me. I believe it was North of 3100fps out of my 26" barrel.
 
The way I see it, if 42 grains of H4350 is safe behind a 105 in a 6 Creed, and a .243 has a hair more case capacity than the Creed, then your load is probably pretty low. I would tend to think 43-43.5 should be doable, based on the .243's I own/have owned. In fact, 43.5 grains of H4350 behind a 95 NBT was what I loaded for my BIL's Ruger American. If I remember correctly, that was still only in the low to mid 2900's.
 
If you are willing to experiment. There is more speed to be had there. IMR 7828 SSC is also a good powder here and I've also done OK with Superformance as well.

Edit: I checked my notes and 43gr H4350 avg 3093fps out of my 26" barrel. I also have a Mossberg Patriot with a 20" barrel and Superformance throws a 90gr E-tip over 3200fps. I would expect about the same from a 95gr Ballistic tip.
 
Guy, thank you for the link.
I’m definitely willing to experiment. I may try working a bit higher with the H4350 and see where that takes me. I also have RE19 on hand and maybe some IMR4831. Hopefully I can get the 4350 to fulfill my expectations, but if not I know there are several other solid options.


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I just crono'd my 243 yesterday, 22" barrel, 100 gr Hornady IL, 42.0 gr H4350, CCI 200, 60 deg day and got 2870 fps with sub moa groups at both 100 and 200 yds. Cases and primers looked great with no signs of pressure.
 
MAinAR":3qx6jfhj said:
You will see best accuracy with this combo at 2,850 fps. It will right on barrel time and should shoot tighter groups. Do the math to adjust load since you have known info. Accuracy is king not speed.

2760 / 41 = 67.31fps per grain..........

2850 / 67.31 = 42.3 grains load................ try it out!

I don’t know where you came up with this... or who sold you the bag of magic balistics beans.... but that’s some funny stuff.

That bullet can be accurate at any speed... and the relationship between powder and velocity is in no way linear. Your premise and equation are both severely flawed from the start.
 
try IMR 7828. I can get 3100 fps easy with good accuracy.

This simulation at a sedate 60.6K PSI

Code:
Cartridge          : .243 Win.
Bullet             : .243, 95, Nosler BalTip 24095
Useable Case Capaci: 48.822 grain H2O = 3.170 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 2.710 inch = 68.83 mm
Barrel Length      : 22.0 inch = 558.8 mm

Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 60667 psi, or 418 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 105 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !

128 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 80%. These powders have been skipped.
Powder type          Filling/Loading Ratio  Charge    Charge   Vel. Prop.Burnt P max  P muzz  B_Time
                                      %     Grains    Gramm   fps     %       psi     psi    ms
---------------------------------  -----------------------------------------------------------------
Alliant Reloder-26                 101.8     49.3     3.19    3170   100.0    60667   13186   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP                          102.6     48.2     3.12    3141    99.3    60667   13242   1.077  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70                   99.3     47.6     3.09    3132    99.6    60667   12877   1.065  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560                    104.3     48.0     3.11    3129    96.6    60667   13398   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60                   93.2     44.0     2.85    3128   100.0    60667   11923   1.067  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC                       102.9     47.6     3.08    3116    97.1    60667   13003   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO                    104.5     50.0     3.24    3111    95.2    60667   13371   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation       104.6     47.6     3.08    3109    98.3    60667   12971   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22                 104.6     47.6     3.08    3109    98.3    60667   12971   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15                       104.6     47.6     3.08    3109    98.3    60667   12971   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17                            92.1     43.5     2.82    3103   100.0    60667   11848   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17                  92.1     43.5     2.82    3103   100.0    60667   11848   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213                        103.8     47.2     3.06    3101    96.9    60667   12855   1.062  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum                     104.2     51.1     3.31    3083    98.9    60667   12386   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-16                  98.6     43.2     2.80    3080   100.0    60667   11729   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209                        100.7     45.1     2.92    3073    98.0    60667   12316   1.066  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62                   95.4     45.0     2.92    3072   100.0    60667   11952   1.092  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 518                 97.5     45.3     2.94    3071    99.5    60667   12180   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511                 93.7     44.9     2.91    3070    99.6    60667   12117   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760                      91.5     43.5     2.82    3069    99.2    60667   12153   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414                        91.5     43.5     2.82    3069    99.2    60667   12153   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19                 101.2     45.6     2.95    3069    98.1    60667   12372   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter                      96.8     45.0     2.91    3069    99.6    60667   12098   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365                        98.6     44.1     2.86    3067   100.0    60667   11318   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation         101.9     45.9     2.97    3061    98.1    60667   12276   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP                           96.4     42.9     2.78    3055   100.0    60667   11675   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation          96.4     42.9     2.78    3055   100.0    60667   11671   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550                     93.6     43.1     2.79    3053   100.0    60667   11794   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12                  105.0     50.4     3.27    3052    96.8    56516   12949   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350                       95.6     43.0     2.79    3050   100.0    60667   11667   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905                      105.0     46.9     3.04    3049    96.2    59187   12501   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation           99.2     44.6     2.89    3047    97.9    60667   12064   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4                         99.2     44.6     2.89    3047    97.9    60667   12064   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204                           96.0     44.6     2.89    3047    97.9    60667   12064   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517                105.0     50.4     3.27    3046    96.7    56182   12946   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC                   102.4     46.6     3.02    3039    96.2    60667   12102   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11                   90.1     41.9     2.71    3037   100.0    60667   11245   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831                           101.1     43.6     2.82    3035   100.0    60667   11421   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895                            87.0     39.1     2.54    3034   100.0    60667   11207   1.086  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15                        105.0     46.7     3.03    3034    97.4    56098   12743   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR                     105.0     46.7     3.03    3034    97.4    56098   12743   1.118  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game                    87.2     41.8     2.71    3032   100.0    60667   11145   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223                      82.3     41.3     2.68    3032   100.0    60667   11111   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385                       101.4     46.1     2.99    3032    98.8    60667   11871   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52                   87.7     40.7     2.64    3031   100.0    60667   10974   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23                 105.0     46.2     3.00    3028   100.0    56222   11792   1.120  ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11                        87.8     39.5     2.56    3027   100.0    60667   11174   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15                  87.8     39.5     2.56    3027   100.0    60667   11174   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation          87.8     39.5     2.56    3027   100.0    60667   11174   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation        96.8     44.2     2.87    3027    99.0    60667   11700   1.086  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203B                          88.2     39.7     2.57    3022   100.0    60667   11073   1.087  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 3100                      104.6     47.1     3.05    3019    99.7    60667   11595   1.108  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V                 99.0     43.1     2.79    3017   100.0    60667   10779   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester Supreme 780              99.8     47.3     3.07    3017    98.0    60667   11715   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380                        89.1     41.0     2.65    3017    99.9    60667   11301   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904                      100.0     44.4     2.87    3017    97.0    60667   11739   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070                          96.1     42.8     2.77    3015    99.3    60667   11544   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation        91.1     41.4     2.68    3014    99.4    60667   11230   1.064  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350                       98.7     43.4     2.82    3013    98.8    60667   11478   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350                            96.9     43.4     2.81    3013    98.8    60667   11461   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895                       84.8     38.2     2.47    3011   100.0    60667   10852   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H                        85.2     38.3     2.48    3011   100.0    60667   10914   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320                            89.8     39.7     2.57    3011   100.0    60667   10781   1.072  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516                 86.0     41.2     2.67    3010    99.9    60667   11162   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2                       82.9     40.7     2.64    3009   100.0    60667   10877   1.092  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar                   83.4     40.1     2.60    3008   100.0    60667   10898   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old                       89.4     40.7     2.63    3007   100.0    60667   10882   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3                          89.4     40.7     2.63    3007   100.0    60667   10882   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748                      80.6     39.0     2.53    3007   100.0    60667   10567   1.083  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4955 Enduron                   103.5     45.3     2.94    3005    96.4    60667   11728   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903                       91.4     40.7     2.64    3003   100.0    60667   10807   1.102  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50                   89.1     41.7     2.70    3002    99.5    60667   11241   1.084  ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data      88.7     41.2     2.67    3001   100.0    60667   11014   1.086  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4451 Enduron                    92.7     41.2     2.67    3001    99.1    60667   11286   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9                    85.8     39.9     2.58    3001   100.0    60667   10797   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355                        91.6     40.3     2.61    3000   100.0    60667   10810   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907                       93.9     41.5     2.69    2998    98.8    60667   11354   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7                          93.9     41.5     2.69    2998    98.8    60667   11354   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC                        91.0     41.5     2.69    2997    98.8    60667   11345   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065                          95.0     41.8     2.71    2996    99.7    60667   11159   1.091  ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC                         83.6     40.6     2.63    2995    99.8    60667   11067   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208                         90.3     39.5     2.56    2995   100.0    60667   10783   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET                      90.7     39.5     2.56    2995   100.0    60667   10783   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828                           105.0     45.9     2.98    2995    95.4    53527   12591   1.126
ADI AP 2214                        105.0     49.1     3.18    2993    95.9    55201   12383   1.110  ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7                    84.2     40.6     2.63    2992    99.9    60667   10943   1.091  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831                      105.0     45.9     2.98    2992    95.5    57683   11939   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation        92.7     41.5     2.69    2991    99.7    60667   10953   1.075  ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507                 82.6     38.8     2.51    2989   100.0    60667   10514   1.082  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4064                            91.2     38.8     2.51    2989   100.0    60667   10612   1.078  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530                     82.1     37.1     2.41    2987   100.0    60667   10436   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 3031                            87.1     36.6     2.37    2984   100.0    60667   10094   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341                        84.1     40.7     2.64    2983   100.0    60667   10532   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation       105.0     48.2     3.12    2983    93.5    56235   12243   1.106  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321                        81.0     39.2     2.54    2983   100.0    60667   10510   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4166 Enduron                    92.0     39.7     2.57    2982    99.1    60667   10981   1.073  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062                          88.8     38.9     2.52    2980   100.0    60667   10429   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR                        83.9     37.8     2.45    2978   100.0    60667   10328   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2520                       82.8     39.3     2.55    2976   100.0    60667   10268   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex D073.6                        84.7     39.3     2.55    2976   100.0    60667   10268   1.103  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361                        98.8     47.4     3.07    2976    96.2    60667   11422   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 201                           86.3     38.0     2.46    2973   100.0    60667   10396   1.094  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25                 105.0     47.0     3.05    2970    99.3    50322   12502   1.164
Ramshot X-Terminator                81.6     39.2     2.54    2968   100.0    60667   10425   1.081  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4064                       88.9     39.1     2.54    2967   100.0    60667   10243   1.121  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R902                       87.9     38.1     2.47    2965   100.0    60667   10274   1.095  ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 40                   80.4     36.9     2.39    2964   100.0    60667   10080   1.080  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165                    105.0     46.7     3.03    2964    98.1    57346   11427   1.113  ! Near Maximum !
Norma 202                           85.5     37.9     2.45    2960   100.0    60667   10049   1.091  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP2 NT ~approximation        85.3     38.1     2.47    2959   100.0    60667   10178   1.076  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N150                     96.6     41.0     2.66    2957   100.0    60667   10160   1.093  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H322                        81.8     35.8     2.32    2956   100.0    60667    9834   1.079  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N540                     87.7     39.9     2.58    2955   100.0    60667   10151   1.092  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S060                          86.1     37.7     2.44    2955   100.0    60667   10172   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160                    105.0     45.3     2.94    2949    96.3    57640   11340   1.105  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2700                       91.0     42.8     2.77    2948    98.7    60667   10709   1.089  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2495                       83.6     36.8     2.39    2946   100.0    60667    9901   1.124  ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R901                       84.3     36.1     2.34    2945   100.0    60667    9933   1.101  ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206                         85.5     38.1     2.47    2942   100.0    60667    9998   1.074  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Benchmark                   83.5     37.0     2.40    2941   100.0    60667    9874   1.077  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N140                     87.5     38.6     2.50    2932   100.0    60667    9674   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant AR-Comp                     82.7     36.0     2.33    2924   100.0    60667    9375   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 TZ ~approximation       82.2     36.0     2.33    2924   100.0    60667    9376   1.097  ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-12                  81.9     37.6     2.43    2923   100.0    60667    9563   1.085  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N135                     92.9     37.9     2.46    2922   100.0    60667    9465   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 2015                       81.9     35.3     2.29    2895   100.0    60667    9201   1.100  ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S335                        85.9     37.8     2.45    2895   100.0    60667    9331   1.096  ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N133                     87.5     36.1     2.34    2876   100.0    60667    8939   1.086  ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30                        105.0     47.3     3.06    2869    93.8    45798   12528   1.228
Norma MRP 2                        105.0     47.3     3.06    2869    93.8    45798   12528   1.228
Vihtavuori N130                     82.7     34.8     2.25    2863   100.0    60667    8847   1.090  ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071                         105.0     44.7     2.90    2855    98.4    50271   11232   1.209
Vihtavuori N570                    105.0     49.8     3.23    2842    86.4    44405   12961   1.241
IMR 7977 Enduron                   105.0     46.7     3.03    2839    87.0    55429   10703   1.126  ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H1000                      105.0     46.7     3.03    2811    92.7    45869   11684   1.211
ADI AR 2217                        105.0     46.7     3.03    2811    92.7    45869   11684   1.211
Alliant Reloder-33                 105.0     51.3     3.32    2752    85.1    41452   12435   1.286
ADI AR 2225                        105.0     47.5     3.08    2744    94.4    40129   12199   1.297
Hodgdon Retumbo                    105.0     47.5     3.08    2744    94.4    40129   12199   1.297
Lovex D100                         105.0     50.9     3.30    2703    81.4    45902   10615   1.234
 
beerbucksducks":3aiirl9l said:
Lately I have been contemplating my current load for my Ruger Hawkeye .243 Win. It is consistently sub-MOA at 100 and the few times I’ve ran it on paper at 200 it’s a hair over 1 MOA, so plenty good for my deer hunting purposes but still some room for improvement. I took a decent 4x4 whitetail with it in November and have no complaints with on game performance. I have been considering putting a CDS turret on it for some longer range coyote medicine, but can’t decide if I’m happy enough with the load to commit to a custom turret. My load data is:
95 Nosler Ballistic Tip
41 gr. H4350
CCI 200
WW brass
2760 FPS on the magneto speed

Typically i don’t chase speed, and I am above Nosler max and one grain below Hodgdon max without pressure signs. Out of a 22” tube, is this comparable to what you guys are seeing with similar loads? My curiosity is probably coming from too much spare time this winter, but it keeps my mind busy. Haha. So CDS, yes or no? And what velocity would expect out of a 22” .243 running 95s? Any input is appreciated.


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You can get more velocity, without a doubt. When you have that sort of accuracy and you're content, then there is little reason to chase more. In the Nosler data, H4350 yields one of the lowest velocities. However, their data is pressure-tested, so you can be comfortable that you aren't tickling the dragon's tail with their data. There are any of a number of reasons you have higher velocity than Nosler and lower velocity than Hodgdon. Barrel length, whether it is a universal receiver or a manufactured rifle, lot-to-lot variation in powder, primer choice, case fill, atmospheric conditions all contribute to greater or lesser degree to velocities. You do have room to increase your charge weight somewhat, but the question you asked is whether you should do so. I would be more inclined to check a few other powders if velocity is what you are seeking. The projection Fotis posted should be highly suggestive in selecting an appropriate powder. MAinAR suggested a modest increase in charge, based on a linear relationship between charge weight and velocity. This approach will yield an asymptotic approach to Hodgdon's data. Years ago, a similar approach was recommended by ballisticians working for one of the major bullet producers. Ultimately, you are the one who has to decide whether to look for more velocity or be content with the accuracy you now have. I am an inveterate seeker of the unattainable (greater accuracy), so I would likely chase that goal. One of my best hunting buddies is much more content with velocity. He is pretty successful in the field, so it is difficult to fault him. In all, these differences are what make hand loading so much fun.
 
desertcj":3or1dx0s said:
Is Superformance not in Quickload?

Neither Hornady nor Hodgdon will release SuperFormance for inclusion into QuickLoad at this time.
 
Thank you for all of help and suggestions. I just loaded up a few more test loads, working up to 43.5. I will keep an eye out for pressure signs and see if any of these yield equal or better accuracy and higher velocity than my current load. If not, it seems a powder change is in order.


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Made it to the range a little bit ago. 42-43.5 were all MOA or better at 100, the best being 42.5. The max, 43.5, went right at an inch, clocked 3035 FPS and showed 0 signs of pressure. I am going to load a few more rounds from 42.5-43.5 to confirm groups. I only loaded one extra round at 43.5 to run over the chrono just to get an idea of velocity. At 3035 FPS I believe whichever load I decide on from 42.5-43.5 should be 2900+ and hopefully sub moa!


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